If performances are good, but results aren't coming then I get persisting...but performances are poor hence the results.

When neither performances or results are good then you can be stubborn with your system or with your players, but not both whil expecting the results/performances to change.  Sarri is being stubborn with both.

My main line of losing patience with Sarri is the utter lack of chances for players like CHO/Ampadu (atleast Christensen is starting to get chances) when the players keeping them out are well out of form and over 30.... what is the point in persisting with those players when they clearly are not ticking in the system?  At least the younger ones have an upward trajectory and might grow into the system.  At least this sends a message to the board "hey, you can sell these huge wage first team players because they aren't working" instead of turning down some reportedly massive offers for players who we all seem to want shot of.

Results like this would be a lot easier to stomach is we actually saw a future wave of players coming through, but we aren't and will likely see them leave.  It's one thing to get no playing time because the team is winning everything, but when you're seeing weeks of embarrassing performances and results.....who wants to sit on a bench and be part of that with no chance of a say?

Sarri is saying he won't change things because he hasn't seen his football..... mate, it's two thirds of the season now done.......so what are you going to do so we can finally see your football?  You clearly need to change something, because doing the same thing over and over for the last 26 game and that hasn't worked yet.....

 

The clubs up for sale for the past 9 months, Wilson a hack of the Guardian alluded to it in his piece on the 0-6 today  "Abramovich has instructed bankers to seek a buyer" . Explains the lack of interest Sarri mentioned, explains why no DOF has been appointed since ME's departure, explains the lack of a long term strategy to compete in top 4 etc.  Dont want Sarri to get fired because that's a step back again, but think he may go if he cant get a few wins in some of these massive EL, FAC, EFLC & PL matches over the remaining weeks of February.   

Willian out

Alonso out

Barkley out

Giroud out

Luiz out

 

We've had three managers in the Roman-era who's tried to change our identity and all three of them have failed.
Maybe its time to realize we are what we are, and that a more pragmatic style is what we excel at.

And there is absolutely no value in longevity if you don't have the right manager.

5 minutes ago, Sindre said:

We've had three managers in the Roman-era who's tried to change our identity and all three of them have failed.
Maybe its time to realize we are what we are, and that a more pragmatic style is what we excel at.

And there is absolutely no value in longevity if you don't have the right manager.

I kind of think if you want to change the system you need ot change the personnel and we changed too little and too late.

Our season is not over yet is in serious danger of ending this month.

Out........

Yesterday was hard to take but 4-0 away to Bournemouth was probably worse. Add the Spurs and Arsenal defeats and the manner they happened and for me there’s no coming back from that. We haven’t scored a goal away from home in 2019 that says a lot about our mentality and desire.

We are Chelsea we change our manager to get success and our trophy cabinet proves it. It’s no different to any business who wants quick results. 

Get rid of Sarri get a new manger in and get the players playing in a formation that suits them and this last 6 weeks will be history. 

Out - the thing that gets me is his total belief in the players that keep failing. 

Most of all play your best players in the positions they are best at. It’s so obvious. Well to me it is

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

And I do argue that, of course we should, but you're old enough @Nibs, you know sh*t happens, football is a funny old game, saint.

I don't think we actually played that badly against City, to read all the sh*t in here you'd think we played like a pub team, kick and rush.  Sometimes you just have to put your hand up and say that we came up against a much better team and got beaten.  Losing to Bournemouth was much worse, in my view, but the desperate bitch-whining about losing a couple of matches and so we got to sack the manager is just f**king stupid and indicative of just how spoilt we have become, as if we have a god-given right to win all our matches and be top of the league.

Last year it was Watford and Bournemouth back-to-back and there were the same spoilt brat children  wanting the manager sacked.  Some bugger said these were the WORST. RESULTS. EVER. ( or in his lifetime,  anyway) Prick must be about 3 years old or has only been a "fan" for a couple of years.  Wasn't that long ago we lost 3-0 at home to Sunderland.  And got kicked out of the FA Cup at home by Bradford or some other northern pub team.  Both of those were MUCH worse than losing to this City side.

And that's without going back to the good old days.  What the f**k would these people be like if we get relegated again?

 

Still, at least only a few of the regular idiots managed to blame Willian for this one, eh?

I wouldn’t be over fussed if we got relegated. In the current cycle we’ve one everything under the sun, had it off proper over the last decade and a half, and what have we got to show for it- a silent stadium and a forum containing a high proportion of glory boy twits who moan like sh*t on a semi permanent basis.

Our fan base has lost its soul. Relegation would be an ideal way of pruning out a lot of these fair weather w....,s, and making this club real again. ( A lot of us older lot had some of our best times in the old Div 2)

Every cloud has a silver lining....

Even if we somehow manage to win the League Cup or Europa League, it will paper over some massive cracks. The truth is that regardless of who’s in charge, we have fallen behind our rivals in terms of the quality of the squad. 

Unfortuantly, whilst it’s admirable to want to be self sufficient, we have let the business side of things slowly take over the footballing side. It generally only weakens the squad as a whole. 

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

We've had three managers in the Roman-era who's tried to change our identity and all three of them have failed.
Maybe its time to realize we are what we are, and that a more pragmatic style is what we excel at.

And there is absolutely no value in longevity if you don't have the right manager.

Prior to the Roman-era we were not pragmatic, so I don't go with this "pragmatic style being our identity"

Any club can transform their footballing identity with time, was Man City playing attractive football all the time?

Even with Paul Dickov up top?

Still waiting for my ‘Shake it all about’ option @Mod Stark.

3 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

If performances are good, but results aren't coming then I get persisting...but performances are poor hence the results.

When neither performances or results are good then you can be stubborn with your system or with your players, but not both whil expecting the results/performances to change.  Sarri is being stubborn with both.

My main line of losing patience with Sarri is the utter lack of chances for players like CHO/Ampadu (atleast Christensen is starting to get chances) when the players keeping them out are well out of form and over 30.... what is the point in persisting with those players when they clearly are not ticking in the system?  At least the younger ones have an upward trajectory and might grow into the system.  At least this sends a message to the board "hey, you can sell these huge wage first team players because they aren't working" instead of turning down some reportedly massive offers for players who we all seem to want shot of.

Results like this would be a lot easier to stomach is we actually saw a future wave of players coming through, but we aren't and will likely see them leave.  It's one thing to get no playing time because the team is winning everything, but when you're seeing weeks of embarrassing performances and results.....who wants to sit on a bench and be part of that with no chance of a say?

Sarri is saying he won't change things because he hasn't seen his football..... mate, it's two thirds of the season now done.......so what are you going to do so we can finally see your football?  You clearly need to change something, because doing the same thing over and over for the last 26 game and that hasn't worked yet.....

 

Barry I think we saw the answer to the drop the big name players question last year. Luiz and his clique of Brazilian pals rioted and Conte was sacked with an emoji over his face despite winning the FA Cup.

I agree with much of the rest of your post. Of all the things I find maddening in football, it's ideologues, those that pontificate that there is one way of playing no matter what. Sarri is nothing if not that. I find the lack of tactical flexibility maddening. I find the lack of integration of youth maddening. I think he was a poor choice and I've thought that since he was first mooted.

But we knew all of these things when we appointed him. We knew he didn't rotate, we knew he had one way of playing, we knew he left incredibly talented young players like Diawara out too regularly. 

We chose him despite those things, because we want to play the type of football he played at Napoli. With that in mind my view is we should really now be saying 'what will it take to make passing and pressing football work?' What needs to change about our squad? What needs to change about our youth development? What needs to change about the loans we send our young guys on? That needs to be overseen by a technical director who understand that football and knows what it takes. 

Then if Sarri doesn't work out with time, we can continue on that journey and not appoint a more counter attack coach who needs a different type of player and doesn't like our young lads because they've been developed incorrectly.

56 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Still waiting for my ‘Shake it all about’ option @Mod Stark.

I’m so sorry @Old Shaggy 

3 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

And I do argue that, of course we should, but you're old enough @Nibs, you know sh*t happens, football is a funny old game, saint.

I don't think we actually played that badly against City, to read all the sh*t in here you'd think we played like a pub team, kick and rush.  Sometimes you just have to put your hand up and say that we came up against a much better team and got beaten.  Losing to Bournemouth was much worse, in my view, but the desperate bitch-whining about losing a couple of matches and so we got to sack the manager is just f**king stupid and indicative of just how spoilt we have become, as if we have a god-given right to win all our matches and be top of the league.

Last year it was Watford and Bournemouth back-to-back and there were the same spoilt brat children  wanting the manager sacked.  Some bugger said these were the WORST. RESULTS. EVER. ( or in his lifetime,  anyway) Prick must be about 3 years old or has only been a "fan" for a couple of years.  Wasn't that long ago we lost 3-0 at home to Sunderland.  And got kicked out of the FA Cup at home by Bradford or some other northern pub team.  Both of those were MUCH worse than losing to this City side.

And that's without going back to the good old days.  What the f**k would these people be like if we get relegated again?

 

Still, at least only a few of the regular idiots managed to blame Willian for this one, eh?

Nice post. Can’t take the moaning either. They’re the ones that should be sacked. Imagine how over the moon everyone would have been back in those 2nd division days to have a player like Willian enter the fray. He’d have been a god. I also don’t  think the city game was THAT bad, and there was an element of  it being “one of those days”. Bit like when Newcastle beat united 5-0, Juventus beat Milan 6-1 in seria a in the mid-late 90s, and there are many more. The big error, the one sparked all the others, was conceding that early goal. We then went into a death spiral. In the home match we were quite lucky, everything went our way and in the early stages it looked like a rout could be on the cards. On Sunday, the opposite. Most of their shots went in. Stats weren’t that bad. I’ve seen that happen. Wouldn’t have seemed nearly as bad if it hadn’t  come so soon after the Bournemouth game. Bournemouth was terrible. City isn’t Bournemouth though. It probably IS the best team in Europe right now.

Go for me , terrible appointment from the get go ..

 

 A manager with no trophies in 20 years and a manager who has lost or drawn more games than he has won ......screams to me his methods and tactics do not work ...

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/maurizio-sarri/leistungsdatenDetail/trainer/10073/plus/0?saison_id=&verein_id=&liga=&wettbewerb_id=&trainer_id=

 

I don't enjoy his football I find it boring , predictable and easy to stop and break up. A lot of running,ponceing around with no end product ,how many times have we seen 48 passes for pass 49 to break down and repeat and we start again .......... it is not direct enough or fluid enough to cope with fast counter attacks . Any ball sport is won with width and pace which we fail to do abysmally.

 

We are a very poor man's le Arse ....the football he wants to play is like a Chateau Lafite Rothschild poured by a sommelier, a very acquired taste only enjoyed by a few where as a good fully blooded Red Bordeaux is enjoyed by many and does the job with a lot less fuss and f*cking around 

15 hours ago, Nibs said:

At 5.45pm yesterday I wanted Sarri out - no question about it.

But have calmed somewhat and honestly don't fancy the idea of another interim. IMO, Zola should never have been appointed as No. 2. Legend yes, but poor track record since he hung up his boots and he comes across as a yes man. So f**k knows who they would appoint if Sarri gets the boot. However, he HAS to learn that trying the same thing over & over when it clearly ain't working, WILL end up costing him his job. Next 5 games are the two Europa games v Malmo, Utd in the Cup, City in the final and then Spurs in the league. That's a tough run of games and after that little lot, if he is still in a job I'll take my hat of to him but if we lose the league and domestic cup games I think his time will be up.

I actually think Zola gets a little un deserved slack for his manager record and isn't as bad as made out. He kept WHU up with no money and had Watford challenging for promotion, Birmingham is a real black mark against him however.

That said i don't think he's the man for the job here.

13 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Utd was still 11 points behind at Christmas and now 1 point ahead, if Chelsea finish behind Utd at the end of season then Sarri has still f**ked it up, it doesn't matter that Utd have only had 1 game against the big teams. Utd can play Sanchez, Lukaku, Mata one game and then Martial, Rashford and Lingard the next, the attacking threat they have is lethal and all would get in Chelsea's team. If Mourinho hadn't made a mess of it at the start I don't think Chelsea or Arsenal would have had a chance at top 4, both teams are in transition this season.

Sanchez? Not a chance, the current version is inferior to even Moses and barely top flight standard.

Higuain sh*ts all over Lukaku and Rashford, the latter may have a chance on the wing.

Present day Mata and Lingard? Hahahaha

The only one that would is Martial if he was up for playing RW.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

Sanchez? Not a chance, the current version is inferior to even Moses and barely top flight standard.

Higuain sh*ts all over Lukaku and Rashford, the latter may have a chance on the wing.

Present day Mata and Lingard? Hahahaha

The only one that would is Martial if he was up for playing RW.

Higuain sh*ts all over Lukaku and Rashford 

12 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

I find the lack of integration of youth maddening.

Huh? RLC has had 21 appearances, Christensen 14, CHO 12 and Ampedu 4, and it's only mid February.

21 minutes ago, Kentonio said:

Huh? RLC has had 21 appearances, Christensen 14, CHO 12 and Ampedu 4, and it's only mid February.

All very well giving numbers like those but how many minutes have they actually got?

Don't need to reply 'cos I know the answer - NOT NEARLY AS MANY AS THEY SHOULD HAVE.

 

Just now, Nibs said:

All very well giving numbers like those but how many minutes have they actually got?

Don't need to reply 'cos I know the answer - NOT NEARLY AS MANY AS THEY SHOULD HAVE.

Well my reply would just be 'more than they've had under any previous recent manager'.

Cmon Kentonio. Andreas played 2100 in the Premier League alone last season. He has 180 this season behind a player who can't defend and actively undermined the coach last season. 

Ampadu has half the minutes he played last season with pretty much all the cup games he can feature in exhausted.

7 minutes ago, Kentonio said:

Well my reply would just be 'more than they've had under any previous recent manager'.

No, Conte played Christiansen a LOT more. RLC was out on loan and he didn't play CHO and Apadu as they were only 16/17 and not ready. They ARE ready now and watching on whilst others fail - continuously.

 

3 minutes ago, Nibs said:

No, Conte played Christiansen a LOT more. RLC was out on loan and he didn't play CHO and Apadu as they were only 16/17 and not ready. They ARE ready now and watching on whilst others fail - continuously.

Simple fact is Sarri is giving more time to youth than Conte or Mourinho did. Plus we can hardly say RLD is sitting and watching, he's getting plenty of time, and has also had an injury recently.