I dont think Lampard would get half the abuse Sarri would/does if he lost 6 in a row for example.

Fans would relate to Lampard far more and cut him enormous amounts of slack because he is "one of us"  I am almost certain of that

Plus, lets not mess around, the board know Lampard wins the fans back, so does Cech returning.

 

Think Cech coming back is part of a Lampard/JT return, too.   Cynic in me also believes Lampard as manager is a sign we wont ask for a freezing of the ban

Edited May 27, 20197 yr by RickUK

22 hours ago, Deino said:

I'd agree on that his ability to implement his style of football is lower than Pep or Klopp but the range is not on a different planet. Klopp had years worth of hits and misses with Pool and Man City handed a blank checkbook to Pep eg. City's fullbacks total up to 200m on cost of transfer alone.

Sarri on the other hand was not given a full preseason, limited access to funds at a club that are facing a lot of issues + tasked with implementing a more possession-based football after years defensive counter attacking football.

I'd say he deserves a bit more time should he choose to stay

If he stays lets hope he loses the stubbornness, thats his biggest issue IMO.  

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

Assuming Derby win today, why would Frank walk away from what he’s built there? Many would say it’s because it’s chelsea but will surely want to see what he can do in PL with Derby, even if it’s just for one season before moving to Chelsea. 

Of course he would take the job. Imagine if he turned us down and the manager we got in instead turned out to be long term manager alas cutting the job off for him until his twilight years.

53 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Deluded, part 2. If the results don't go our way and top 4 is not within our reach, you bet some fans will turn on him.

Good point about the dynamic between Lampard and JT though.

I'm not too sure they will, i mean they will be angry and irrational but I can see them taking their anger out on someone else, most likely Pulisic.

Don't think Lampard's done enough as manager to get the chelsea job. How is that players have to get to the complete heights to get into Chelsea side but you guys want to employ someone who's never managed at premiership level. Lampard may be the greatest manager since say Ferguson but he still has to pay his dues as a manager. You can't do that in one season in the championship.

Sarri made some poor choices but actually given the personnel I thought he did a good job on balance. He is too stubborn by half, suffers from nerves, hasn't won anything, yet, but he will win something. Like Conte he came to Chelsea with a system and made it work. 

Not only is he as good as manager out there but surely it must be obvious to everyone that the team needs stability in system while it is being rebuilt. It is just complete lunacy to keep bringing in new coaches who want new players season after season. Do we want a fast forward or a reference point, a Jorginho or a Kante, wingbacks or fullbacks. You can't change every season. Dumb and dumber.

11 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Don't think Lampard's done enough as manager to get the chelsea job. How is that players have to get to the complete heights to get into Chelsea side but you guys want to employ someone who's never managed at premiership level. Lampard may be the greatest manager since say Ferguson but he still has to pay his dues as a manager. You can't do that in one season in the championship.

Pep Guardiola had one year managing the Barcelona B team before being given the main job.

Had he paid his managerial dues before being given one of the biggest jobs in world football?

Or did his knowledge of the club, having had a long and successful playing career at Barca, mean the board were confident in his abilities to make the step up? 

13 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

 

This post caught my interest. I have a serious question for you, what does Sarri actually do on the touchline, I mean what purpose does he actually serve? He's our leader, right? Surely he should provide leadership and strength to his side, otherwise what is he doing there? Would he be best served watching games from the stands? I think so. I think we would play better, without the anxiety that he transmits, without him pacing up and down chewing on a cigarette butt. Does he do anything during the 90 minutes to help the team? Serious question. He's a tactician. I've made several posts over this forum that he lacks leadership, that's why we should have someone more influential next to him than Zola. Bin Zola off and bring Terry in as that leadership next to Sarri.

 

He moans a lot, to his bench, to the fourth official, he flaps his arms in the air, he takes notes, but have you ever seen him give a player an instruction, have you ever seen him do anything to change a game? What is he doing there? If you're not helping, if you're hindering, go somewhere else, surely? Show some f**king leadership from the touchline, please. That might just mean standing there looking strong, emitting strength, conveying calm. You don't have to do much, but pacing up and down chewing on a cigarette butt and moaning to your bench isn't it, in my opinion. I remember when RLC was starting out this season Sarri would pull him to the side line and give hime instructions every time the ball went out of play, so yes i have seen him give players instructions. Look how much that has helped RLC improve too, he himself has said in interviews its helped build his overall game.

 

Consider many games resemble each other. We pass the ball. A lot. We fail to create. Always. We look vulnerable to the counter. Always. What does he do to change things? I'd like to know, genuinely. You see it going the same way, you see what's happening, what do you do? I'll tell you what you do, you sit down you take notes, you stand up you flap your arms a lot, you moan to the fourth official about something, you chew on your cigarette butt. Meanwhile the players are still struggling. We don't fail to create chances, in fact we create plenty. What we fail to do is finish them off, second most big chances missed in the league this year. Sarri can only train the players to get the ball up the field, it's up to them to put it in the back of the net once we're up there. He's took us to two finals and 3rd in the league with absolutely no striker all year. 

 

Now I'm not saying Sarri's a bad manager. He's not. I think he's a good manager. The wheels could have come off and he kept things together, unlike one or two previous managers. There are reasons to be optimistic, there are reasons to dislike the guy. I dislike the guy while conceding he's good. How good? I'm not sure. Could he turn us into a great side? Possibly. Has he made ridiculously poor decisions in his first term? Definitely. What were they? I'm glad you asked me that. I didn't ask but go on..

 

Firstly there was the debacle at Wembley. What was he doing subbing Kepa? It was possibly the worst substitution decision ever made. Our keeper was fit, so why take him off? The game had stopped, so why panic? Just wait and see if he can carry on, and when he tells you he can carry on, be happy, don't throw your toys out of the f**king pram, and then, when it goes to penalties, don't try and assault the player, Jesus Christ, what are you, a moron? Before anyone says it was tactical and he wanted Willy to face penalties, well he clearly hadn't conveyed that to his first choice keeper, so that makes him even more of an idiot, and even if he had, what a way to destroy your first choice keeper's confidence. Our keeper had gone down with cramp 3 times in the previous 10 minutes so he wanted to bring on an ex city player who specialises in penalty shoot outs to get in the City players heads. Really don't see how you can blame anyone but Kepa here, most agreed Cabalerro would have been a good change. Anything to beat Sarri with i guess though. So its okay for the keeper to throw the toys out the pram to stay on the pitch but not for the manager? 

 

Truth is, he lost his nerve. He's never won a trophy, he got nervous. We played well, we were close, penalties were looming. He needed to be strong, emit calm, emit confidence, emit control. He failed on all counts. He needed to think of only one thing and that was winning. Instead retribution against his keeper became more important. He needs to become a winner. Hopefully he's learned his lesson. Hopefully we reap the reward on Wednesday. A winning manager would never have behaved the way he did. Or perhaps he demands respect and Kepa shat all over that. Kepa has said afterwards he made a mistake not coming off.

 

Some of the things he's said to the media have been truly idiotic. When he said he hadn't watched CHO's game for England. When he criticised Ampadu after our victory against Sheffield Wednesday. He said he would never play the position again. Ampadu is 18. It was a criminal thing to say. I could go on and on with the idiotic things he's said. I mean, he said Alonso was the best LB in Europe. Alonso isn't even the best LB at Chelsea. In fact, Alonso isn't even a LB. Period. Sarri is in the wrong for saying a player played a game poorly and destroying their confidence but is also in the wrong for saying a player is in good form and building on their confidence? A bit of consistency here please.

 

Then we have Higuain. This is the man he wanted to lead our line. Let's say no more. Then there's his continual denials that he has anything to do with transfer policy, despite the fact we paid big for a keeper that can play with his feet, paid big for Jorginho, and paid big for Higuain. Please, stop with the denials already. I'll leave it there but I could go on. Nothing he says inspires tons of confidence. Kepa - great signing. Jorginho - good signing and crucial to play how he wants. Kovacic - good loan and filled in well. Higuain - realistically who else could we try in January? Was worth the risk but didn't work out. 

 

Suffice to say he's made himself unpopular, with his public pronouncements and with his refusal to change anything when things are going poorly too. He played Marcos Alonso for 7 months before giving Emerson a chance. Emerson may not be the long-term answer but for goodness sake, everyone could see a change had to be made. Then there's his reluctance to play youth, even when we were in horrible form, and then there was the football, which was tedious. You'd watch a game, we'd dominate possession or we'd start off abysmally, either way we'd go behind and that was it, we had absolutely no idea how to get back into it, and worst of all, instead of blaming tactics, formations or selections, it was all the players' fault, they couldn't be motivated or their mentality was poor. The criticism has been valid. Alonso and Emerson have pretty much shared the minutes this season and since January i'd say Emerson is first choice. Alonso started the season so well it made sense to try and play him back into that form and thats coming from me who hasn't rated Alonso since Conte times. Reluctance to play youth? He's played youth more than any other Chelsea manager in the Abromovic era, made RLC and CHO first team regulars. Conte and Mourinho also said the players are hard to motivate, why is it only an issue when Sarri says it? Its a lot easier to say that than come out and admit 50% of our squad are complete sh*t.

 

His obsession with Kovacic over a more progressive midfielder like Barkley or RLC, playing Hazard up top, and denying us all the spectacle of watching Kante do what he does better than anyone else in the world. One thing I'll say in his favour, he doesn't court popularity. He sticks to his guns, rightly, after all, he didn't get the Chelsea job by doing it somebody else's way. People moan we're susceptible to a counter attack and then moan Kovacic plays to steady us in the middle of the park. Once RLC worked on his defensive game he's been first choice since. The previous two managers played Hazard up top because our options are that poor. How many times has Sarri done that, i can only recall a handful of games. (just had a look, 7 games with 3 goals and 4 assists, not a bad return). Denying us what Kante does best? Don't really get what you mean by this, he's still doing exactly what he normally does but now adding goals into his game. Why win the ball back on the edge of our 6 yard box is we can win it on the edge of theirs?

 

There we are, third spot. Tottenham, Utd, Arsenal all fell by the wayside. Sure, we were lucky, but we didn't fall by the wayside, and that's to his credit. He was under pressure, he was unpopular, but he stuck in there, and I respect that. We were still sh*t in many games, not least Cardiff away and Frankfurt at home, but we scraped through. We lose either of those two games and he's toast. If he's a lucky manager, I'll have some of that. 

 

Sometimes at Chelsea you need that little bit of luck, just to survive another week.

 

Would I be upset if he were here next season? No. Would I be ecstatic? No. Juve apparently want him so he's obviously highly regarded in Italy, we know that. He must be a good manager. Will he ever adapt to the English game, will we ever go toe-to-toe under him away from home or against our main rivals? None of us know the answer to that one. Will he ever win anything, anywhere? Again, we don't know. Is he committed to Chelsea? I doubt it, somehow. I'd be happy if he stayed because there's sufficient evidence that he can improve however I'd be happier still if Lampard arrived. Why? I'm glad you asked me that. You're asking some very good questions today. Still yet to ask anything

 

Lampard's a winner. Lampard just has something about him. He's very determined. He's very bright. He's very ambitious. He can handle pressure. He can defy the odds. I mean he wasn't even that talented as a player. It was all about his mentality. He's a pretty unique character, and he loves Chelsea. He's also in his first year as a manager. I mean, put sentiments aside and would any of us want an ex player (say Iniesta for example) who is in their first year of management to come to Chelsea?

 

We're in a bit of trouble I think. There's a total disconnect between club and fans, between the team and fans. If Lampard comes, with Jody of course, Ampadu, Callum and Ruben immediately feel better, I guarantee that. They put pen to new contracts. There's a buzz about the place, a buzz we all need, a buzz amongst the players and the fans. Ruben has already said he's gonna sign an extension, really don't see how it could make Callum any more likely to sign an extension than Sarri would though. Sarri made him a first team player, if he's going to sign he'll do it. We as a club shouldn't allow ourselves to be taken hostage by an 18 year old lad ffs.

 

Roman has given up coming to games, understandably. He loves Chelsea, I have no doubt about that. He wanted to build his legacy in the form of a new stadium. He can't get a visa that would allow him to live here. That must piss him off, severely, after the amount of money he's ploughed in. Our board comprise of idiots who don't give a f**k about the fans and spend half of their time pandering to the media and trying to get them banned rather than redressing any injustices, and of course we have a transfer ban looming due to their incompetence. We're just in a whole lot of trouble, as a club, in my opinion. Something has been lost, the buzz has gone. Lampard comes and all that changes. Agreed but Abramovic assembles and hires this useless board though, only has himself to blame. A buzz around the ground is good for a short while as we've seen with Ole but the lack of experience tends to show with time and the fickleness of our fans will lead to booing Lamps after a couple of months of poor results. Lamps doesn't deserve that, give him time to come when he's ready.

 

Yes, you could say he's inexperienced. Sure. He needs to learn the ropes at Derby. Sure. He's up against Klopp and Guardiola, two great managers. Sure. It could go wrong he could get sacked it will all be a bit painful. Sure. Let's wait. 

 

Well I'll ask you this. What are we waiting for? There's never any guarantee with a manager. Lampard could do well at Derby, he could take them up he could keep them up, does that guarantee you anything? What if he does well and somebody else takes him, another big club, what if the time's right for him to move on and we have somebody else at the helm, as happened with Klopp. A lot of this is about timing. Sure, Lampard doesn't have a track record, he's young, it's a punt, but it's an informed punt because we know him, and if we're willing to take a punt on anyone it's him, and if we're willing to give anybody time it's him, because he'd bring with him an enormous amount of goodwill. We've paid big money to bring Sarri and Jorginho in, at the very least give them to the end of Sarri's contract before we go for Lamps. Lamps style of play isn't that dissimilar to Sarri either so another year of the players training under Sarri is only going to make Lampard's job easier when he inevitably returns.

 

What if it all goes pear-shaped? What if he isn't very good? We part ways, simples. We'd give him time, we'd give him resources but he would have to deliver, obviously, and if he can't, we say goodbye, he says goodbye, we still love each other. It's okay. It's a risk but it's nothing like the risk Utd have taken with Solskjaer. That won't work out. No way. Lampard might, it just might. The time is ripe. It's all about timing. Would we give him resources though? Or would it be the board throwing commercial buys like Pulisic at him and saying 'make it work'. I mean, we haven't bought a new winger since 2015 before Pulisic, why would our board now start buying properly. Why is Lampard so much more risk free than Ole?

 

With Conte, with Mourinho, with Benitez, with Carlo, we knew they weren't here for the long haul. Sarri isn't here for the long haul, we know that. These guys are guns for hire. Why let Lampard prove himself at another club, why let him develop a deeper connection with another club? Sure, he's a Chelsea legend but that doesn't mean he won't manage one of our rivals as a manager. That doesn't mean that at all. He'll put himself first and rightly so. When the right offer comes along he'll take it, because if I know Lampard, he'll want to manage at the top level. How many of you think he'll do it? Get that far? Think about him as a person, not as a player, as a person, think about what marks him out. He's got a chance. Lets be honest, he isn't going to get a deeper connection to another club than Chelsea. City have Pep, Liverpool have Klopp, Utd have Ole, Arsenal have Emery. What big club is he going to go to and create this unbreakable bond with?

 

I say we give him the opportunity to develop into a top manager at our club, because given what we know and what we've seen, he might just be the man, possibly, and if we let him grow into the role and give him that space, we might just reap the rewards for a very long time, because he's a Chelsea man and he won't want to go anywhere else. I actually agree we should hire him, but not until Sarri's contract expires. Sacking a manager who has got us third, two finals and a European cup nearly would be laughable. 

 

I'm telling you right now, he comes and everybody is lifted, and our club needs a lift. Will he be given time? He might, because of who he is and what he represents to the club, and because we'll know he's not the finished article, not by a long shot, but just as he did as a player, wouldn't it be great to see him grow at Chelsea? We also know about his temperament, he's not a Conte or Mourinho, he'll always bear in mind the club's best interests, he'll always stick up for us, and he won't cause problems unnecessarily. 

 

He'll be a breath of fresh air in other words. I say bring him back.Once more, Ole lifted the club, charisma only gets you so far. 

Christ this could take a while, i'll try and answer what i can above.

I love Lampard more than any player that has lived, i want him back here more than any of you. But for the next 1-2 seasons we should continue with Sarri, whilst giving Frank time to get Derby in the EPL (i expect them to lose today, Villa have done Derby 7-0 over the two league games). Ideally he gets promoted in the top two next season, then one season in the EPL, then come home.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

I love Lampard more than any player that has lived, i want him back here more than any of you. But for the next 1-2 seasons we should continue with Sarri, whilst giving Frank time to get Derby in the EPL (i expect them to lose today, Villa have done Derby 7-0 over the two league games). Ideally he gets promoted in the top two next season, then one season in the EPL, then come home.

This is exactly how i feel, no need to rush it. Having the players train under Sarri for another year or two will only make it easier for Lamps in the end.

We are miles off the pace, but that wont be taken in to account.  If Lampard takes over he'll get no more than 2 years to win the title. 

55 minutes ago, Argo said:

Of course he would take the job. Imagine if he turned us down and the manager we got in instead turned out to be long term manager alas cutting the job off for him until his twilight years.

Derby could have won the division outright and Lampard would still take our job.  We are his club, we are his dream.

 

It's like thinking Gerrard would turn down Liverpool to stay at Rangers.  Just would not happen

It all depends also on whether Sarri wants to stay, would he turn Juventus down and a move back home to stay here?  

 

It's ok saying things in the media, but thats not always what they think privately.  Far too much noise for these links to be just speculation

We all want Lampard back but it has to be right for both him and us as a club.  He's obviously a legend of the club, but that doesn't mean he's going to be successful here.  He needs more experience as a manager and ideally needs, at the very least, a season of Premier League experience.  

54 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Christ this could take a while, i'll try and answer what i can above.

Regarding what you said about Lampard I would say it's clear he's a better manager than OGS.

If you look at OGS at Cardiff he took over them when they were outside relegation and finished bottom, then they went down to a division they won comfortably when they were last in it and he was sacked about 1/3rd of the way in with Cardiff in 18th I think. He also made numerous flop signing's on high wages which Cardiff spent years trying to clean out. Then when he took the United job and kept banging on about the "United way" all the time it was pretty clear it was going to go wrong as soon as the "I'm not Jose" novelty wore off, although I didn't expect them to fall this badly. It should be noted he did well in Norway but his record in England outside of United's honeymoon period with him is retched to put it kindly.

Lampard by comparison has taken over a club, changed the culture in playing style (from what I heard about Rowett he makes Pulis ball look like Pep's philosophy) while reducing the average age of the squad and cutting the wagebill and managed to maintain Derby's position which isn't easy (such a change like that at a so called small club almost always results in one or two steps back in the short term).

While I am with you in that I think Sarri has earned another season I think it's fairly clear even at this early stage Lamps is and will be a much better manager than Solskjaer.

Edited May 27, 20197 yr by Argo

Chelsea is short term on managers and style of football but long term in everything else. This is why us fans are frustrated and expect and actually wish for a sacking if things go bad for a while. 

Sarri deserves a second season and backing of fans and the club.

Funny how we blame him for being stubborn and Pep is hailed because of it. 

55 minutes ago, Argo said:

Regarding what you said about Lampard I would say it's clear he's a better manager than OGS.

If you look at OGS at Cardiff he took over them when they were outside relegation and finished bottom, then they went down to a division they won comfortably when they were last in it and he was sacked about 1/3rd of the way in with Cardiff in 18th I think. He also made numerous flop signing's on high wages which Cardiff spent years trying to clean out. Then when he took the United job and kept banging on about the "United way" all the time it was pretty clear it was going to go wrong as soon as the "I'm not Jose" novelty wore off, although I didn't expect them to fall this badly. It should be noted he did well in Norway but his record in England outside of United's honeymoon period with him is retched to put it kindly.

Lampard by comparison has taken over a club, changed the culture in playing style (from what I heard about Rowett he makes Pulis ball look like Pep's philosophy) while reducing the average age of the squad and cutting the wagebill and managed to maintain Derby's position which isn't easy (such a change like that at a so called small club almost always results in one or two steps back in the short term).

While I am with you in that I think Sarri has earned another season I think it's fairly clear even at this early stage Lamps is and will be a much better manager than Solskjaer.

I personally don't think it's possible to say whether he'll be better or not at such an early stage of his career. Rowett played pre-historic football but managed a marginally better win % and PPG than Lamps. Don't forget his profile has also managed to attract some of the best youth players England has to offer. Mount, Tomori and Wilson have been some of the best players in that league this season and would have walked into almost any team. At Chelsea he won't be afforded that luxury of attracting young players from the league above to bolster his squad. 

Lampard taking over would be a massive mistake at this stage of his career

Lampard taking over would be a massive mistake at this stage of his career

23 minutes ago, evissy said:

Chelsea is short term on managers and style of football but long term in everything else. This is why us fans are frustrated and expect and actually wish for a sacking if things go bad for a while. 

Sarri deserves a second season and backing of fans and the club.

Funny how we blame him for being stubborn and Pep is hailed because of it. 

We kmew Sarri was stubborn before he joined, there is a blog somewhere online from a Napoli expert, and reading it makes you think a lot of Neapolitans weren't exactly sorry to see him go.

They enjoyed his football, but hated his arrogance and how he passed the blame around in defeat, but took all the glory when winning

 

 

I’m torn, I really don’t like any of our managers getting the sack but because its created a precedent where the new man comes in and does well it seems to have worked thus far. Chelsea waited a long time and worked hard to acquire Sarri’s services. Is he about to create something special next season? No one knows.

I’m sure the club will have Lampard in their sights, he’s an intelligent man who carries himself well and is well loved here. We question his lack of experience, Gullitt, Vialli and Di Matteo didn’t do too badly. If he does come and gets off to a good start the place will be rocking. If he doesn’t, I hope people aren’t as fickle as they are at United.

49 minutes ago, RickUK said:

We kmew Sarri was stubborn before he joined, there is a blog somewhere online from a Napoli expert, and reading it makes you think a lot of Neapolitans weren't exactly sorry to see him go.

They enjoyed his football, but hated his arrogance and how he passed the blame around in defeat, but took all the glory when winning

Rubbish.

I was in Naples last week. They love him. 

I'm Neapolitan, 70% of us love him and we want to have him back instead of Ancelotti. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Chelsea is short term on managers and style of football but long term in everything else. This is why us fans are frustrated and expect and actually wish for a sacking if things go bad for a while. 

Sarri deserves a second season and backing of fans and the club.

Funny how we blame him for being stubborn and Pep is hailed because of it. 

Question is does Sarri want a second season here?

 

23 minutes ago, Raff_Sarrista said:

I'm Neapolitan, 70% of us love him and we want to have him back instead of Ancelotti. 

70%? So the blog was right and many didn't care for him much.  Which was my point. I will find the blog and link it, i think the author does a lot of Napoli stuff. I think his name was Roberto Simone

His claims were stuff like he doesnt use youth, finds his fave 11 and generally never rotates, and if Napoli lost he would blame everything except his system. and things like mentality and player weakness.

 

"He overrates his style, underrates opponents and will simply not make any adjustments. In fact he will rarely play youngsters, will rarely start guys who are not among “his” 13-14 players and will effectively shorten up the roster this way"   

 

That is what he needs to fix if he stays

Edited May 27, 20197 yr by RickUK

57 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Rubbish.

I was in Naples last week. They love him. 

of course he will have those in Naples who did not mind him leaving and werent huge fans of his.  Naive to think otherwise