48 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Make of it what you will. 

I wouldnt resign lol, why giving up millions of dollars on the table just to please the fans? And even he was sacked no fans will really 'hate' him anyway

4 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

so no CL football for 2 years is completely fine? Including wasting 2 years of Chilwell, Kai Havertz and Werner career?

You could look at it as they’re wasting their own careers by underperforming...

9 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Whoever comes in will likely not last more than 2 years. We've seen many different types of managers come and go during Roman's time in charge and turnover is the only consistency we can be sure of.

there is a difference between having a clash after 1 year and 3 months

If Tuchel think PSG board and Leonardo is hard to bear with, wait till he works with Roman and Marina where he was given option E and last min panic buys all the time in transfer windows lol

Just now, Munkworth said:

You could look at it as they’re wasting their own careers by underperforming...

if a specific player is playing sh*t and underperforming that maybe their own fault

if a bunch of proven, talented player are all underperforming maybe the issue is somewhere else but the players lol

8 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

so no CL football for 2 years is completely fine? Including wasting 2 years of Chilwell, Kai Havertz and Werner career?

Is not ideal, but if it happens then it happens.

I would suggest that those 3, and any other players who feel playing for us while attempting to improve the clubs fortunes would be "wasting their careers" either start improving their work rate a fair bit and their quality of end product massively or they hand in transfer requests.

No like they are blameless in our current run.

Let's not forget the players made Avarm Grant look decent, cause let's face it he has done nothing since.

Ditto Robbie Di Matteo.

So if these players are that good, show it.

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

As someone else has said above, the man has a 3 year contract and that should be honoured.  15th or below is neither here nor there.

I don't get all creamed in the jeans about top four or finishing above Arsenal, my position has consistently been get to 40 points and avoid relegation and anything over and above that is a bonus.  Don't get me wrong, the recent rollercoaster years have been amazing, but even if we got relegated again, it wouldn't change my love of and support for the club.

As I see it, and tried to explain in my previous post as nicely as I could, I think the knee-jerk demands for Frank to be sacked are, for the most part,  a result of a more modern, I want it all and I want it now, twattering class of fan who has a sense of entitlement and exceptionalism, and are forever wanting the latest shiny shiny thing, be it a manager they know very little about but has been mentioned on Sky Sports, some 17-year old winger that they have seen a youtube compilation of or Declan f**king Rice, FFS.

I disagree with that attitude mainly because we are ONLY halfway through the season, we have won 8 and drawn 5 out of 19 matches and are in a bit of a slump at the moment.  I see no logical reason why we must sack a manager for a short run of matches that we have lost in a time of the year when, traditionally, Chelsea have performed badly, for whatever reason.  We lost 12 matches last season and finished 4th. 

We are currently at           P            W        D          L           F             A            GD         Points

Chelsea

19

8

5

6

33

23

10

29

 

On match 19 last year we had lost more, had a worse goal difference and were 3 points better off.

Chelsea

19

10

2

7

33

27

6

32

To my mind, Frank was appointed to develop youth, and install a long-term project, and, at the time, the vast majority of posters in here, and at the Bridge, were saying forcefully that they would take a year or two without silverware and challenging for the title as long as the youth were brought through and we we "weren't playing f**king Sarriball."  Now the fickle f**ks have turned and gone all squirrelly because we have lost 3 out of the last 5.

Sometimes, and I may have mentioned this before once or twice, our online fanbase embarrass the f**k out of me.

Why should it be honoured when managers with far better success here and superior managerial background didn't see out their contracts? 

So, our league position is worse this season than it was last season, when we should be doing a lot better. That means we've got worse under Frank despite the money spent, despite the transition and more experience. I don't know how you can look at that and think it's good. 

Frank was appointed for a position that nobody else wanted to touch, he came at a very anomalous time for Chelsea. Transfer ban, a team full of young players, and he did a great job. So did Di Matteo, but when we gave Di Matteo the mantle and resources to build a team, he couldn't deliver, and it's looking the case with Frank here. A club doesn't have to honour a contract, they can terminate a contract whenever they wish if they meet the contractual obligations. If Frank isn't doing a good enough job, I don't see why it's such a sin for the club to get rid of him and find a better alternative. Unfortunately for him, he doesn't have any past managerial achievements to fall back on compared to other managers, yet all those managers got binned all the same despite doing a much better job. 

You can't pretend that your side is the rational side and everyone else is a reactionary idiot, there's a lot of legitimate reasons for wanting Frank gone. 

16 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Is not ideal, but if it happens then it happens.

I would suggest that those 3, and any other players who feel playing for us while attempting to improve the clubs fortunes would be "wasting their careers" either start improving their work rate a fair bit and their quality of end product massively or they hand in transfer requests.

No like they are blameless in our current run.

Let's not forget the players made Avarm Grant look decent, cause let's face it he has done nothing since.

Ditto Robbie Di Matteo.

So if these players are that good, show it.

If it happens then it happens? For what reason would a club operate like that? What does the club gain?

If things stay the same I would be in favor for Lampard to be replaced at the end of this very season.

Why would he keep his job when he's barely getting a 50% win rate? His job is to get the results, if he can't get them by the end of the season why should he keep the job? Time for some common sense!

45 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Don’t know if this is true but I said before the board will not sack him they due to fan’s backlash

Which would only be an online backlash. If a new manager came in and did well (I can't see fans being allowed back this season) then Lampard's name will be sung but there won't be major demos.  I'm not saying Lampard will be forgotten but the fans will be behind the new manager and backing the team. But pick the wrong man and there's no improvement then it could get ugly.

1 minute ago, bluehaze said:

Which would only be an online backlash. If a new manager came in and did well (I can't see fans being allowed back this season) then Lampard's name will be sung but there won't be major demos.  I'm not saying Lampard will be forgotten but the fans will be behind the new manager and backing the team. But pick the wrong man and there's no improvement then it could get ugly.

Whoever replaces Lampard are in for a tough time. Especially if it's someone like Tuchel, who is abit of a c*nt lets be honest.

People saying two years of no CL football is fine, yeah it may be fine for you but definitely not fine for the clubs bottom line so I don’t think that will wash with Roman. 
One season is okay two absolutely not, again turning us into Arsenal losing the winning mentality that’s what got us so many great memories.

34 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Is not ideal, but if it happens then it happens.

I would suggest that those 3, and any other players who feel playing for us while attempting to improve the clubs fortunes would be "wasting their careers" either start improving their work rate a fair bit and their quality of end product massively or they hand in transfer requests.

No like they are blameless in our current run.

Let's not forget the players made Avarm Grant look decent, cause let's face it he has done nothing since.

Ditto Robbie Di Matteo.

So if these players are that good, show it.

These players were good until they came, they were all from different clubs before this season, and we should put some blame on the manager here

Just now, Brutos said:

People saying two years of no CL football is fine, yeah it may be fine for you but definitely not fine for the clubs bottom line so I don’t think that will wash with Roman. 
One season is okay two absolutely not, again turning us into Arsenal losing the winning mentality that’s what got us so many great memories.

i cant believe what i read sometimes...

no cl football for 2 years is fine as long as is a 'process', lol

9 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Whoever replaces Lampard are in for a tough time. Especially if it's someone like Tuchel, who is abit of a c*nt lets be honest.

Allergi will be fine, he will get some result for sure, make us return to that team that is tough to beat, not this boring attacking football nonsense

If I ran a football club, I'd link 80% of a player's remuneration to actually WINNING the game ... they're all too comfortable, and there is no penalty for swanning about in half arsed fashion on the pitch. Thankless task for the modern manager to try and motivate a load of very comfortable millionaires .... I'm quite sure Frank isn't perfect and makes a load of rookie manager mistakes, but 95% of this current debacle is on the players for me, with few exceptions.

2 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Allergi will be fine, he will get some result for sure, make us return to that team that is tough to beat, not this boring attacking football nonsense

I have nothing against Allegri, but I'd rather us stick with Frank and see what happens. Let's just ride the storm and we come out a better team. 

2 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

These players were good until they came, they were all from different clubs before this season, and we should put some blame on the manager here

Some yes, not all. 

Both Chilwell and Werner were playing fairly well earlier on in the season. Was not all Lampards credit then not is it all his fault now. These are top level professionals, they are responsible to put on the effort.

5 minutes ago, Brutos said:

People saying two years of no CL football is fine, yeah it may be fine for you but definitely not fine for the clubs bottom line so I don’t think that will wash with Roman. 
One season is okay two absolutely not, again turning us into Arsenal losing the winning mentality that’s what got us so many great memories.

Different opinions mate, end of the day the only one opinion that matters is Roman's. Will see what he decides.

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

If I ran a football club, I'd link 80% of a player's remuneration to actually WINNING the game ... they're all too comfortable, and there is no penalty for swanning about in half arsed fashion on the pitch. Thankless task for the modern manager to try and motivate a load of very comfortable millionaires .... I'm quite sure Frank isn't perfect and makes a load of rookie manager mistakes, but 95% of this current debacle is on the players for me, with few exceptions.

sure then you arent going to get any decent players signing for you because no one wants to work in such a high pressure environment where 80% of the salary is relying on your teammates performing as good as you.

For example, if you are a striker, scoring goals, and your team's defense is sh*t and GK is a joke, thus causing you not getting paid 80% of the time, what would you think about your teammates and how would the dressing room atmosphere become if your suggestion is in place?

Thats why it will never happen, simple as

3 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I have nothing against Allegri, but I'd rather us stick with Frank and see what happens. Let's just ride the storm and we come out a better team. 

and what if we dont come out a better team? Too bad so sad?

I think you’ll be hard pressed to find a chelsea  fan that will want to see franks tenure end in an abrupt and underwhelming fashion. 
 

But the fact is we have a squad as good as any in the PL, havertz and Werner are top class players we can’t get negate that because they have had a rough start with Chelsea.

If it was one player fair enough but 2 of Germany’s best young players, the wealth of attacking players we have, we are strong all over the pitch. 
 

The fact is the matter is if we gave this team to José or klopp or Pep even Brendan Rodgers and we are up and around the top. 
 

Yes challenging circumstances, yes no fans, but at the end of the day other managers are coming in like Brendan Rogers and making average teams look mustard. 
 

I would have said they will give frank until the end of the season due to his standing with Chelsea but I’m not sure that can happen now, missing out on CL positions cost the club an awful lot, we already have lost all of the match day attendance money. 
 

It’s a hard call to make but I think the reality is setting in for most. 

23 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Why should it be honoured when managers with far better success here and superior managerial background didn't see out their contracts? 

So, our league position is worse this season than it was last season, when we should be doing a lot better. That means we've got worse under Frank despite the money spent, despite the transition and more experience. I don't know how you can look at that and think it's good. 

Frank was appointed for a position that nobody else wanted to touch, he came at a very anomalous time for Chelsea. Transfer ban, a team full of young players, and he did a great job. So did Di Matteo, but when we gave Di Matteo the mantle and resources to build a team, he couldn't deliver, and it's looking the case with Frank here. A club doesn't have to honour a contract, they can terminate a contract whenever they wish if they meet the contractual obligations. If Frank isn't doing a good enough job, I don't see why it's such a sin for the club to get rid of him and find a better alternative. Unfortunately for him, he doesn't have any past managerial achievements to fall back on compared to other managers, yet all those managers got binned all the same despite doing a much better job. 

You can't pretend that your side is the rational side and everyone else is a reactionary idiot, there's a lot of legitimate reasons for wanting Frank gone. 

It should be honoured because it's a contract and that is the honourable thing to do.  All of those other managers should have had their contracts honoured as well.  But that's not the point.  We are 3 points worse off now than last season at the same time.  Halfway through a season that is f**k all.  we have had a blip, but have only lost 6 league matches all season.  No-one was bitch-whining about sacking the manager when we beat Leeds, or at any time before that in the season.  A few bad results and all the toys go out the pram and you and other start whining and bleating about sacking the man.  That to me is the epitome of self-entitled plastic glory hunting.  Now I know @Slojo is not one of those, so I accuse you of having hacked his forum login.  That is the only reason I can see for some of what you have posted in his name.

Frank was appointed for a 3 -year project and very nearly everyone in here at the time was expressing a view that a couple of years without challenging for the title or winning anything major would be acceptable.  Now that a mid-season slump, not unknown for us in the winter, has happened, people start of on this "give me a new shiny thing", sack the manager, buy more players, blah, blah, blah.

And finally, I'm not pretending anything.  I am saying outright that anyone who 18 months ago was saying "I'll be happy if Frank brings through some young 'uns and I'll accept 2 or 3 seasons without major honours" and is now jumping on the knee-jerk "sack the manager" bandwagon after a couple of bad results is a hypocritical bastard and should have a good look at them selves.  And I can't see ANY legitimate reason for sacking the manager after a few bad matches and when still only 9 points off top spot.

But then I  have just seen some f**king idiot say "not this boring attacking football nonsense".  I rest my case.

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Some yes, not all. 

Both Chilwell and Werner were playing fairly well earlier on in the season. Was not all Lampards credit then not is it all his fault now. These are top level professionals, they are responsible to put on the effort.

Different opinions mate, end of the day the only one opinion that matters is Roman's. Will see what he decides.

Effort effort bloody effort. 

These are professionals. They are trying hard. They are running. It's such an annoying cliche to think these football players aren't working hard enough. 

They don't know what they are doing out there. They don't know where to look for a pass. They don't have any sense of a system. That's becoming obvious. 

Werner is actually playing sh*t. That's on him. He can't finish. But everyone else bar CHO and Mount doesn't seem to know what to do. Passes are being misplaced. No one is capable of finding space or finding a man in space. It's maddening. 

And that's all on the coach. 

Maybe frank stays. But I want to know what he's actually trying to do out there other than ask these top top tier professionals to just try a bit harder. 

1 minute ago, yorkleyblue said:

It should be honoured because it's a contract and that is the honourable thing to do.  All of those other managers should have had their contracts honoured as well.  But that's not the point.  We are 3 points worse off now than last season at the same time.  Halfway through a season that is f**k all.  we have had a blip, but have only lost 6 league matches all season.  No-one was bitch-whining about sacking the manager when we beat Leeds, or at any time before that in the season.  A few bad results and all the toys go out the pram and you and other start whining and bleating about sacking the man.  That to me is the epitome of self-entitled plastic glory hunting.  Now I know @Slojo is not one of those, so I accuse you of having hacked his forum login.  That is the only reason I can see for some of what you have posted in his name.

Frank was appointed for a 3 -year project and very nearly everyone in here at the time was expressing a view that a couple of years without challenging for the title or winning anything major would be acceptable.  Now that a mid-season slump, not unknown for us in the winter, has happened, people start of on this "give me a new shiny thing", sack the manager, buy more players, blah, blah, blah.

And finally, I'm not pretending anything.  I am saying outright that anyone who 18 months ago was saying "I'll be happy if Frank brings through some young 'uns and I'll accept 2 or 3 seasons without major honours" and is now jumping on the knee-jerk "sack the manager" bandwagon after a couple of bad results is a hypocritical bastard and should have a good look at them selves.  And I can't see ANY legitimate reason for sacking the manager after a few bad matches and when still only 9 points off top spot.

But then I  have just seen some f**king idiot say "not this boring attacking football nonsense".  I rest my case.

yea you are quoting me. I hate watching possession based football and freeflow attacking football is one of my least favourite football style as I can always watch them on the sunday league in my park where there are little to no defense. I expect strong defensive units, players that are willing to defend with their lives and willing to run 90 mins as a unit to defend the ball from getting into your own box. I love watching opponents getting frustrated, annoyed, and angry at why they cant create 1 good chance because of the defense, eventually making a mistake when they move the ball around and beaten by my team's great counter attack and being salty and bitch about 'they only park the bus and doesnt deserve the win because we play good football and they dont'. I love watching them complain about the 'negative style' of football we play and we laugh at them while getting 3pts

These days we become the latter team i mentioned above that pass the ball 5000 times and complain about opponent parking the bus, I hate that, i dont enjoy watching this. 

4 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Effort effort bloody effort. 

These are professionals. They are trying hard. They are running. It's such an annoying cliche to think these football players aren't working hard enough. 

They don't know what they are doing out there. They don't know where to look for a pass. They don't have any sense of a system. That's becoming obvious. 

Werner is actually playing sh*t. That's on him. He can't finish. But everyone else bar CHO and Mount doesn't seem to know what to do. Passes are being misplaced. No one is capable of finding space or finding a man in space. It's maddening. 

And that's all on the coach. 

Maybe frank stays. But I want to know what he's actually trying to do out there other than ask these top top tier professionals to just try a bit harder. 

Werner was finishing just fine until he put on our shirt and change coaches, that why we and Liverpool wanted him had not been able to finish two of Europe’s best wouldn’t want him.

Just now, Brutos said:

Werner was finishing just fine until he put on our shirt and change coaches, that why we and Liverpool wanted him had not been able to finish two of Europe’s best wouldn’t want him.

have to say he isnt well known for his clinical finishing, he runs a lot and get into good position to finish like 2 out of 5-6 chances

but nowadays he cant even score a goal because he barely gets a chance in the last 7 games or being put on the wing where he isnt good at

5 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

It's a sh*t time to be surrounded by sh*t Chelsea fans with no patience and a weird sense of entitlement to be winning everything, all the time or else "I'm bored so let's move on to the next shiny thing and give him 12 matches before we start bitch-whining about him, wanting him sacked."

Given the number of amazing tactical geniuses there are in here who have forsaken their careers as top level football managers to live with their mums and earn a living shelf-stacking in Lidl, there's a reason why we all know much much better about tactics than professionals who have stayed in football instead.

Seems a very large number of the ex-football insiders have all joined up recently once we get into a results slump

f**king brilliant, and total sense spoken in amongst all the bollox spoken by others, I will ask the question, why the hell did all these JCL’s decide to support Chelsea, and now we haven’t won every game this season, it might be worth them supporting someone else