40 minutes ago, Slojo said:

He won 3 Champions League's back to back.... And Barcelona usually win the league there, Zidane has won it twice with Madrid and numerous other trophies while being there. 

If he can't get credit for that, what can he get credit for... 

Ucl title is the most difficult to judge. You need to be good but in UCL it is better to be lucky than good, we as Chelsea should know this better. The team that won ucl for us was arguably one of our worst team in years. 

 

11 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

We should appoint Wenger just to take the piss. 

The team already pass endlessly without going anywhere so it's a lot like watching Wenger's Arsenal at the end.

14 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

We should appoint Wenger just to take the piss. 

Or Benitez!

13 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Yeah I’ll be surprised if he’s not gone by morning.

sh*t time to be a Chelsea fan. Really sh*t.

It's a sh*t time to be surrounded by sh*t Chelsea fans with no patience and a weird sense of entitlement to be winning everything, all the time or else "I'm bored so let's move on to the next shiny thing and give him 12 matches before we start bitch-whining about him, wanting him sacked."

2 hours ago, Argo said:

It's funny you mention about Mourinho's soap opera and fans wishes in the same post as if it was up to the supporters Jose would still be here.

There's a reason we're in the stands and not the boardroom!

Given the number of amazing tactical geniuses there are in here who have forsaken their careers as top level football managers to live with their mums and earn a living shelf-stacking in Lidl, there's a reason why we all know much much better about tactics than professionals who have stayed in football instead.

Seems a very large number of the ex-football insiders have all joined up recently once we get into a results slump

27 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

I don't think we would like Simeone's football yet here's the thing 

I read a point the other day that I found interesting they said at CFC, we have half the team trying to play possession football and the other half trying to play quick pass attacking football and it does not work.

I was reminded of almost two months ago after a throw-in when Werner passed to Havertz and then sprinted forward and Havertz passed back to the space where Werner was in shock that he had moved.

Lately Pulisic breaks down the Left all Chilwell needs to is move forward one touch and a cross from the by-line, does he move NO!  Perhaps he is wondering where Reece is and does he need to get back to cover??

Recently no-one can hit the target, it is like Werner's form is contagious and has spread to Pulisic, CHO and Giroud. 

We had talks with Allegri recently and he is supposed to play the style that suits the squad best. 

That sounds like a potential way to save the season, if we move quickly.

 

to be winning is everything, win >>>>>>>>>>>>all

 

i dont care if we play 10-0-0 and scrap a goal at 91st min i will still celebrate like mad

1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Allegri is the one that bring Juventus from a laughing stock in Europe to 2 times CL finalist...as I said, how could any top team accepting their team crushing out the CL group, I dont really care how great you are in the league (and only because Milan lost Zlatan and Silva in that summer thus Juventus start dominating with a far better squad) if you are managing a elite club, you cannot do this bad in Europe, end of. 

Bayern is a different case when they can pretty much snap up every great players in their league for a cheap price. Not to mention the quality of German player compare to Italian player in the last 5-10 years is quite absurd when Italy cant even qualified for the last World Cup

I dont know if Jose or Conte is better at this point but just by saying 'Inter is doing well thus Conte is better' is just not a good argument given Spurs is playing so well in EPL -  a much more competitive team with far less money to spend

Conte destroyed Mourinho in the PL so much that Mourinho got annoyed and complained about how Conte celebrated when Chelsea scored a goal.

Meaning Mourinho forgot at that very moment that he used to be the one putting himself in the spotlight with his own ways of celebrating, that's how much Conte got in his head that season in the PL.

Like I said Conte might have failed in Europe so far but he has been the better manager even so, Mourinho never took us to the CL glory anyway which was what we were after so that also lost him the job and at his worst we were top 10 while with Conte at his worst we were still top 5.

We all may have our own preferences but I haven't seen a man so passionate as Conte was with us and people like Klopp and Pep Guardiola can only wish that they had won the PL in their first season in charge.

The very fact that Mourinho is the manger of Spurs speaks volumes to me about how much he fell from grace, but that's just me.

Imagine if a new manager came in, someone with vision and a plan, then he goes and puts Kepa and Rudiger back in the defence, you can see it happening 😅

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

Conte destroyed Mourinho in the PL so much that Mourinho got annoyed and complained about how Conte celebrated when Chelsea scored a goal.

Meaning Mourinho forgot at that very moment that he used to be the one putting himself in the spotlight with his own ways of celebrating, that's how much Conte got in his head that season in the PL.

Like I said Conte might have failed in Europe so far but he has been the better manager even so, Mourinho never took us to the CL glory anyway which was what we were after so that also lost him the job and at his worst we were top 10 while with Conte at his worst we were still top 5.

We all may have our own preferences but I haven't seen a man so passionate as Conte was with us and people like Klopp and Pep Guardiola can only wish that they had won the PL in their first season in charge.

The very fact that Mourinho is the manger of Spurs speaks volumes to me about how much he fell from grace, but that's just me.

Are you really saying Conte was a better manager than Jose? You got to be joking.

 

Just now, dansubrosa said:

Are you really saying Conte was a better manager than Jose? You got to be joking.

 

I'm saying that Conte is a better manager right now and that has been the case for the past 5 years at least. 

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I'm saying that Conte is a better manager right now and that has been the case for the past 5 years at least. 

Yeah, I don’t think anyone would disagree with that.

4 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I'm saying that Conte is a better manager right now and that has been the case for the past 5 years at least. 

No doubt about it.

The only downside with Conte's coaching record is his poor Champions League record.

44 minutes ago, pcmacca said:

It is not just the defeats that are the issue, it is the manner of the defeats. A few weeks ago I read that due to the congested fixture list, there had been no time on the practice pitch to prepare the team for a particular match. In the last two weeks Chelsea have had no midweek games, played a second team against Morcambe and yet I have seen zero improvement in style or tactics. When I saw Chelsea were playing 3 in midfield with Mount and Havertz against Leicester I had absolutely no hope of seeing a good result. What did they do in training in the free weeks?

You could easily tell they have worked on things and changed the system yet the execution was not great and credit needs to be given to Leicester who nullified our buildup. Everyone was asking for a shift to 4-2-3-1 and we played with a 4-2-3-1 with Kova and Mount playing in front of the defense, our midfield was pressed and the CB's were given time to pass it around which pretty much neutralized the buildup play. 

You can't just simply shift to a new system and expect it to be perfectly executed especially against a team who are clearly better then us at this moment in time. This is not getting away from the fact that we were poor last night and so were some of Frank's decision, I posted at the start of the game that I was not convinced with Mount and Kova sitting as both have a tendency to venture forward, I am still not sure why Rudiger is in the team over Zouma & how Pulisic starts over Ziyech who is by far our most creative player and seems to have an understanding with CHO.

Regardless of his decisions we should give him until the end of the season and review what he has achieved and whether he has been able to turn the ship around. Unfortunately it looks unlikely at this stage but you can tell he is still searching for the right combination but alongside his decisions the players are letting him down.

Edited January 20, 20215 yr by Imran_CFC

If Frank survives to Wolves and Burnley games he needs to shake up the squad. No ways around it. No more 4-3-3 with these players. He was much more flexible with the formation last season. I think he made a mistake of thinking he needs just keep on grinding with the same system. I am not implying the systems is failing us, it is how the players execute it. Play 3 at back and put wingbacks. Let Billy play, put Havertz at 10. Shake it up. Players are shocked and in shadows. Wake them up. 

Lampard isn’t getting sacked this season so we just have to suck it up and deal with the performances it’s soul sapping but it doesn’t bother me anymore at all I just laugh and move one now once the matches are over I expect bad performances now.

if you go back and look before he got hired I was strongly against it simply because one bang average year at Derby and you get one of the Elite jobs in world football 😳 but I got on board as he’s probably most Chelsea fans favourite player and one of my favourite with (Drogba ahead simply because of how he destroyed Arsenal fans soul, frecking hate them).

But now we are seeing his legacy tarnish unless he gets us going again and can anyone say they expected different when you stop thinking with your heart and start thinking with your head??

Experience is important in any job you do unless you are hired as a junior person, why is it important, you can draw on it to help you through difficult moments Lampard doesn’t have that himself or in his backroom staff. 
 

I suspect it’s a positive and negative there are no fans because opposition fans would be absolutely taking him to town and our fans would have to be defending him similar to the Wenger out years.

44 minutes ago, coco said:

Imagine if a new manager came in, someone with vision and a plan, then he goes and puts Kepa and Rudiger back in the defence, you can see it happening 😅

Sorry but your statement is a bit of a paradox. If the new manager had a vision and a plan, unless they currently have abilities we know nothing about, it couldn't include either of those two.

15 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Lampard isn’t getting sacked this season so we just have to suck it up and deal with the performances it’s soul sapping but it doesn’t bother me anymore at all I just laugh and move one now once the matches are over I expect bad performances now.

if you go back and look before he got hired I was strongly against it simply because one bang average year at Derby and you get one of the Elite jobs in world football 😳 but I got on board as he’s probably most Chelsea fans favourite player and one of my favourite with (Drogba ahead simply because of how he destroyed Arsenal fans soul, frecking hate them).

But now we are seeing his legacy tarnish unless he gets us going again and can anyone say they expected different when you stop thinking with your heart and start thinking with your head??

Experience is important in any job you do unless you are hired as a junior person, why is it important, you can draw on it to help you through difficult moments Lampard doesn’t have that himself or in his backroom staff. 
 

I suspect it’s a positive and negative there are no fans because opposition fans would be absolutely taking him to town and our fans would have to be defending him similar to the Wenger out years.

I agree about putting up with the performances, I used to get upset but I just expect it now. However, I don't believe the Board think as we do particularly with the loss of money from empty stadiums. The club really need to get in to the top 4 or dreams (and they probably only are) of signing players like Stagland in the summer will just fade away. 

36 minutes ago, evissy said:

If Frank survives to Wolves and Burnley games he needs to shake up the squad. No ways around it. No more 4-3-3 with these players. He was much more flexible with the formation last season. I think he made a mistake of thinking he needs just keep on grinding with the same system. I am not implying the systems is failing us, it is how the players execute it. Play 3 at back and put wingbacks. Let Billy play, put Havertz at 10. Shake it up. Players are shocked and in shadows. Wake them up. 

I agree with the wing back idea as James is not good enough defensively to play in a back 4 (as shown last night). It would enable him to do what he is better at.

Why do you think Frank doesn't have a vision or plan? He absolutely does. A smart and diligent man like him is probably thinking about these things 24/7. 

What he is lacking is knowledge of his system and vision working in Prem with these players. He also lacks the knowledge of getting out of these situations. He is facing this first time in his short managerial career. 

If the club is willing to sacrifice CL for next term I am sure Frank finds the right system and balance to the side. 

1 hour ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

I bet he Would'nt, He would be insane to leave Leicester for us, the gulf in team spirit, communication and work rate for each other was immeasurable. Frank cant be held responsible for everything, the effort that some players put in last night was embarrassing.

As for the other two, I wouldn't touch Zidane with a barge pole, and Simeone would need a whole new defence for his style of play.

Of course, he would. Not now, obviously, but in the summer? Absolutely. Brendan is not stupid, he knows there's a limit to what he can achieve at Leicester. Chelsea is a whole other level of ambition. Not that I advocate for us to get Rodgers, mind you.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Ucl title is the most difficult to judge. You need to be good but in UCL it is better to be lucky than good, we as Chelsea should know this better. The team that won ucl for us was arguably one of our worst team in years. 

 

To win it 3 times in a row takes "luck" out of the picture don't you think? That's never been done before by just one manager. 

 

4 minutes ago, evissy said:

Why do you think Frank doesn't have a vision or plan? He absolutely does. A smart and diligent man like him is probably thinking about these things 24/7. 

What he is lacking is knowledge of his system and vision working in Prem with these players. He also lacks the knowledge of getting out of these situations. He is facing this first time in his short managerial career. 

If the club is willing to sacrifice CL for next term I am sure Frank finds the right system and balance to the side. 

Would just be helpful if he could communicate that plan. At the moment all he's saying is that the players need to work harder. 

Everyone talks about pep and klopp. They communicated their vision for the team. Lampard doesn't. It makes me think his view is just that, work harder. 

5 minutes ago, evissy said:

Why do you think Frank doesn't have a vision or plan? He absolutely does. A smart and diligent man like him is probably thinking about these things 24/7. 

What he is lacking is knowledge of his system and vision working in Prem with these players. He also lacks the knowledge of getting out of these situations. He is facing this first time in his short managerial career. 

If the club is willing to sacrifice CL for next term I am sure Frank finds the right system and balance to the side. 

I am sorry but I have to disagree. If you play 3 in midfield against Leicester and two are Havertz and Mount, you are in for trouble and you really have no plan. I know Mount offers something in attack but his defensive work is almost non-existent so it was no surprise we were completely open at the back. Please review the time around when Mendy saved with his foot in the second half and follow Mount's half-hearted attempt to track his man.

2 hours ago, cfcforeverfan said:

he wont make us into Atletico Madrid in half a season, but given 2 transfer window I can see us playing great defensive football which i would love to see that. 

So Allegri allowed two transfer windows, but you want to bin Frank after  just one window and he lost the best player in the league 18 months ago, Mason Mount, Tammy, and Reece James have all developed into England players in the last 18 months as well, I think Frank deserves a little more time don’t you? Or is it that you can’t handle the piss take from other teams fans and want a quick fix if that is possible, for f**ks sake man up petal, tough it out for the rest of the season, and by my calculations we are only halfway through the season, as Sir Alex said, the table only starts to get serious end of March/April 

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

It's a sh*t time to be surrounded by sh*t Chelsea fans with no patience and a weird sense of entitlement to be winning everything, all the time or else "I'm bored so let's move on to the next shiny thing and give him 12 matches before we start bitch-whining about him, wanting him sacked."

Given the number of amazing tactical geniuses there are in here who have forsaken their careers as top level football managers to live with their mums and earn a living shelf-stacking in Lidl, there's a reason why we all know much much better about tactics than professionals who have stayed in football instead.

Seems a very large number of the ex-football insiders have all joined up recently once we get into a results slump

Just a couple of questions. 

What's your tipping point here where you decide Frank isn't the man for the job? Is it a certain number of years, or is it if we finish 15th or below?