Probably makes sense to loan him out right now... then try to establish him as a starter this summer. With Mount, Jorginho, Kovacic, Kante and Gilmour - one. of those 5 needs to move right now, and then another in the summer.

I'm afraid that if Gilmour is loaned out and Tuchel remains as our coach into next season, that's a declaration of intent from him. He wants to use established players to try to get some quick success and move on leaving us without one of the youngsters that have excited most us fans. But let's wait and see how this progress, because the window closes pretty soon. 

Not in the squad..unbelievable 

f**king disgraceful he's not in the squad but there's 3 left backs. 

Had asked to leave on loan 

it this happens I will be so pissed off 

8 hours ago, dkw said:

f**king disgraceful he's not in the squad but there's 3 left backs. 

Can you really call Alonso a left back?

 

But yeah I saw the bench and was disappointed he was not there.

19 hours ago, RMH said:

I'm afraid that if Gilmour is loaned out and Tuchel remains as our coach into next season, that's a declaration of intent from him. He wants to use established players to try to get some quick success and move on leaving us without one of the youngsters that have excited most us fans. But let's wait and see how this progress, because the window closes pretty soon. 

Loaning out is meant to give him a run of games that we can't offer yet. 

Very few people would say Billy is a first team player yet. Lampard didn't think he was. So why not loan him and let him get 15-20 games under his belt. Then reassess in the Summer 

James Abraham and Mount all went on loan and performed. So did Ruben. It's not a way to just sell a player. Tuchel isnt known as a player who disregards youth players at all. 

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by bisright1

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Loaning out is meant to give him a run of games that we can't offer yet. 

Very few people would say Billy is a first team player yet. Lampard didn't think he was. So why not loan him and let him get 15-20 games under his belt. Then reassess in the Summer 

James Abraham and Mount all went on loan and performed. So did Ruben. It's not a way to just sell a player. Tuchel isnt known as a player who disregards youth players at all. 

I fear we're going to go through this song everytime an academy player goes out on loan or less than 2 start.

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Loaning out is meant to give him a run of games that we can't offer yet. 

Very few people would say Billy is a first team player yet. Lampard didn't think he was. So why not loan him and let him get 15-20 games under his belt. Then reassess in the Summer 

James Abraham and Mount all went on loan and performed. So did Ruben. It's not a way to just sell a player. Tuchel isnt known as a player who disregards youth players at all. 

Lampard clearly thought he was god enough for the first team squad hence why he pushed to have him included in the squad last year rather then sending him to the youth team.

One of the main reasons for his limited game time this season was due to him coming back from a serious injury & Lampard was easing him back into competitive football.

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

I fear we're going to go through this song everytime an academy player goes out on loan or less than 2 start.

That is only going to be the case when a player who has proven to be a good enough for the first team squad is sent out on loan, you wont get any uproar with Anjorin, Livramento or Lewis Bate going out on loan.

I really can't see why we would want to send him out on loan when he can get more game time with us. Every time he has played he seems to offer more than our other central midfield options (Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic). It seems crazy to me ... the best performing midfield of the Lampard era was Gilmour, Mount, Barkley ... unfortunately we only saw it in three games .... all of which we won.

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by Sexyfootball

29 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

Lampard clearly thought he was god enough for the first team squad hence why he pushed to have him included in the squad last year rather then sending him to the youth team.

One of the main reasons for his limited game time this season was due to him coming back from a serious injury & Lampard was easing him back into competitive football.

That is only going to be the case when a player who has proven to be a good enough for the first team squad is sent out on loan, you wont get any uproar with Anjorin, Livramento or Lewis Bate going out on loan.

Lampard loaned out Ampadu despite decent all be it limited performances under Conte and Sarri (similar number to Billy's currently), he froze out Tomori for a year, he loaned out Gallagher again despite his top class season in the Champ (better than Mount in the same league and i say that as a card carrying Mount fanboy), he never gave Cumming a shot even with Kepa and Caballero stinking the place out, he played CM's on the wing over CHO. Don't get me wrong all things considered Lampard's youth policy was amazing but if you used isolated incidents against him similar to the one's being used to criticise TT so far we'd have been criticising him regularly.

FWIW i don't actually agree with loaning Gilmour out but it is certainly not proof Tuchel is going to be a youth culling maniac anymore than just 1 academy boy starting (which also happened many times under Frank aswell including our last away game) is.

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by Argo

Gutted.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Lampard loaned out Ampadu despite decent all be it limited performances under Conte and Sarri (similar number to Billy's currently), he froze out Tomori for a year, he loaned out Gallagher again despite his top class season in the Champ (better than Mount in the same league and i say that as a card carrying Mount fanboy), he never gave Cumming a shot even with Kepa and Caballero stinking the place out, he played CM's on the wing over CHO. Don't get me wrong all things considered Lampard's youth policy was amazing but if you used isolated incidents against him similar to the one's being used to criticise TT so far we'd have been criticising him regularly.

FWIW i don't actually agree with loaning Gilmour out but it is certainly not proof Tuchel is going to be a youth culling maniac anymore than just 1 academy boy starting (which also happened many times under Frank aswell including our last away game) is.

Frank has a lot of credit in the bank when it comes to introducing youth and even with all he did for the youth he has been criticized recently for not playing Billy. A number of people on this forum have criticized Frank for not playing Billy especially after the Morecambe game where he was excellent yet didnt make the team against Fulham or Leicester despite our performances.

I agree some people are being overly critical of Tuchel however there are others who are being overly sensitive about any slight questioning of the prospective Tuchel tenure.

I personally am a big Billy fan and would be disappointed if Tuchel lets him go out on loan rather then try to integrate him into the team, I am sure he will be reviewing his performances for us over the last 12 months & all he needs to do is watch the Liverpool and Everton games to realize what he brings to the squad.

Tuchel wasn't sure if Gilmour is strong enough to play against the elite players. I am not sure wheter he meant as an 8 or part of two player 6. He said also he doesn't see a reason for anyone to leave this January. 

He's taller than Kante, but at 60kg he is 10kg lighter.  Tuchel sounds like he needs a bit of convincing on that front ... all I remember is that Billy in his own words "likes a tackle", and also that diminutive and scrawny British SAS soldiers used to piss all over well built US Special Forces guys in some of the world's war zones 🙂

Tuchel says all the right things, take it on face value and Billy will stay and get his chance but we'll see what happens.

https://twitter.com/SiPhillipsSport/status/1354790804439576580?s=19

Just had a look on Gilmour in the PL.

He started  twice where we won in the Premiership, Everton and Palace.

Both times Barkley was also playing.

I remember Hoddle saying about Barkley being a nightmare for defenders as he can go either way on the ball and was strong too. Barkley's direct running would win us a fair number of free-kicks in dangerous positions.  

I mention Barkley as see midfielders needing to play with others that complement them.

So if Billy is in the centre who is he going to play with, Jorginho is too similar and both are slow defensively.

Mount and Kante, which means one needs to play more defensive as Billy goes through the middle.

Interestingly footy365 claims 'everyone knows' Kante can't play in a three, a one or a two yet wasted in a three.

TT  has a dilemma too fix. 

31 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

I mention Barkley as see midfielders needing to play with others that complement them.

I’m not a massive Barkley fan but I think letting him go on loan was a massive mistake, he actually offers something different than all our other central midfielders. 

10 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

I’m not a massive Barkley fan but I think letting him go on loan was a massive mistake, he actually offers something different than all our other central midfielders. 

I agree too, as a tactical sub he was an excellent option.

So many of our players seem so one-footed on the ball it looks awkward at times.

7 hours ago, Munkworth said:

I’m not a massive Barkley fan but I think letting him go on loan was a massive mistake, he actually offers something different than all our other central midfielders. 

It was bad to let him go on loan but Lampard didn't have a choice there, from that perspective it wasn't a blunder from his part IMO.

Ross wanted to be in the starting lineup and Lampard couldn't grant him that even if he proved himself at the end of last season so the loan was the only option. Maybe if Lampard could go back in time he would do things differently but I can't blame him since he was trying to fit in Kante with Mount and Havertz was coming so he made that hard decision thinking that he is probably helping Barkley to get noticed for the national team or something...

8 hours ago, Gol15 said:

It was bad to let him go on loan but Lampard didn't have a choice there, from that perspective it wasn't a blunder from his part IMO.

Ross wanted to be in the starting lineup and Lampard couldn't grant him that even if he proved himself at the end of last season so the loan was the only option. Maybe if Lampard could go back in time he would do things differently but I can't blame him since he was trying to fit in Kante with Mount and Havertz was coming so he made that hard decision thinking that he is probably helping Barkley to get noticed for the national team or something...

Should have just cancelled Jorginho’s contract to make space for Ross 

14 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Should have just cancelled Jorginho’s contract to make space for Ross 

I do love how these google experts know all about what player X wanted and what manager Y would do if he could go back in time and what that manager's motivations and targets are/were.

You and me are know-nothings, mate, and there are graphics to prove it.

17 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

I do love how these google experts know all about what player X wanted and what manager Y would do if he could go back in time and what that manager's motivations and targets are/were.

You and me are know-nothings, mate, and there are graphics to prove it.

It's all there on the Xbox spelled out, plane as day.

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