Gaffas take on him: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12288961/thomas-tuchel-frustrated-with-timo-werner-after-real-madrid-draw-missing-big-chances-does-not-help

 

58 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

As a creator and for his work rate I have no issues with him. His first touch needs some work.

As our main striker I do take issue with, he is just not right for that role.

As a creator he is very2 poor at this level. CHO at 21 is so much better than Werner. 

 

1 hour ago, CFCCAN said:

He reminds me a bit of Salah when he first arrived here he missed quite a few and we got rid....and now look.  In a way I hope we don't make the same mistake.  There is a place for him in this side, but not as our main striker that's for sure. 

I think hes a good player at times a very good player but I dont think he's talented enough to put his name on the team sheet first and then put players around him.  I thought that from the beginning.

We shoehorned him into the lineup when he was tired, off form, missing sitters...etc. at a big club like Chelsea he should play when he's on form just like CP, Ziyech and everyone else.

4 hours ago, Dean said:

I’m still keeping the faith. Don’t think he should or will start the second leg though 

Lol.. we need him though; without him we are one paced and slow in transition 

By his prior league stats it’s puzzling he’s so far off point for Chelsea, he’s played in this comp before he joined and scored. Overall his goal involvement stats have been crucial to team success but his misses are up there with Torres.  It’s his first season new country culture league he’s not gone bad overnight unless there really is a curse. Lol. I’d stick with him but not as the main attacker his strength is his running in behind at pace, I’d rest him for the prem and give Tammy a chance vs Foolham. If Tammy performs he should start vs Real cus imo Tammy would likely have scored what the snake saved with his peg. 

It is rare for a player who pretty much start all the time for us and this easily upgradeable.

It is so much more difficult to find upgrade for pedro and Willian who were just rotation player for us. 

People always mug off the likes of Lukaku but we would actually be a better team with him than Werner. Wener has been let off massively, me included up until now, nor does he have the fan pressure. His out put for a striker is criminal.

Chelsea News.  The club have just ordered new goal posts for next weeks game against Real Madrid in the hope that Timo Werner can turn his season around.

 

4 hours ago, ducavis said:

Lol.. we need him though; without him we are one paced and slow in transition 

As before. I won’t mind if he does. I don’t think his miss was egregious (he didn’t overthink it, went for power and unfortunately Courtois made a great save) as others do and see a lot of potential. 
 

As an aside, I want to make a plea to everyone to please stop with the “it should have been 2-0”. Commentators do this all the time and it drives me nuts. Had Werner scored there and then, the course of play would have been altered by the kick off and Pulisic wouldn’t have scored his goal. We have no idea what would have happened.
 

Also it’s harsh to set up Werner as a scapegoat if we don’t get through.

 

5 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

 

I disagree. It’s a narrative parroted by many that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny . How does it square with James and Mount getting regular playing time in the first team, with CHO being given plenty of chances while a lot of big signings aren’t starting regularly? If what Rio is saying were true, Havertz would surely have started ahead of Mount, and Kepa would be in goal. 

56 minutes ago, Dean said:

As before. I won’t mind if he does. I don’t think his miss was egregious (he didn’t overthink it, went for power and unfortunately Courtois made a great save) as others do and see a lot of potential. 
 

As an aside, I want to make a plea to everyone to please stop with the “it should have been 2-0”. Commentators do this all the time and it drives me nuts. Had Werner scored there and then, the course of play would have been altered by the kick off and Pulisic wouldn’t have scored his goal. We have no idea what would have happened.
 

Also it’s harsh to set up Werner as a scapegoat if we don’t get through.

Agreed despite missing some sitters he has been running defences ragged, match winner in two key games of late. 

I am not denying that 2 away goals would have been nice and the number of sitters is frustrating but I find that it is no more than many other top strickers, in fact I just looked it up he is likely to out score Didier, Frank and Eden in their first seasons, not a great comparison, very different players but I predict he will push on terms of goals but might not come until next season, he has already improved 

 

 

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

People always mug off the likes of Lukaku but we would actually be a better team with him than Werner. Wener has been let off massively, me included up until now, nor does he have the fan pressure. His out put for a striker is criminal.

Lukaku upfront with Timo on the left, Ziyech on the right.

He's just not high on confidence and is thinking too much rather than letting it happen with his natural instincts and ability. Werner last season would have lashed that chance in.

I still think we may go for Aguero next season as an experienced striker and then sell Giroud. Maybe bring Lukaku in hopefully (proven in the PL) as Haaland will be crazy money.

Edited April 28, 20215 yr by Malcolm9

1 hour ago, Dean said:

I disagree. It’s a narrative parroted by many that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny . How does it square with James and Mount getting regular playing time in the first team, with CHO being given plenty of chances while a lot of big signings aren’t starting regularly? If what Rio is saying were true, Havertz would surely have started ahead of Mount, and Kepa would be in goal. 

You got to be joking right. 

If Havertz right now start over Mount, Tuchel will be out of the door in 1 month. 

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5 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

You got to be joking right. 

If Havertz right now start over Mount, Tuchel will be out of the door in 1 month. 

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I don’t think you understood what I was saying.

@Bob stark I’m guessing that you are either African or of African descent? I commend your backing for the young players, but take those African tinted glasses off when making statements like CHO has contributed more in attack etc etc, cos the stats just don’t show that to be the case!

1 hour ago, Dean said:

I disagree. It’s a narrative parroted by many that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny . How does it square with James and Mount getting regular playing time in the first team, with CHO being given plenty of chances while a lot of big signings aren’t starting regularly? If what Rio is saying were true, Havertz would surely have started ahead of Mount, and Kepa would be in goal. 

I think that says a lot more about the performances of the 2 lads more then anything, they've been consistently excellent for majority of the season hence making it difficult for TT to drop them. In regards to Tammy he may not have been operating to a similar level to the other 2 academy lads but due to the poor performances of Werner he certainly warrants more playing time then what he is getting currently.

3 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

@Bob stark I’m guessing that you are either African or of African descent? I commend your backing for the young players, but take those African tinted glasses off when making statements like CHO has contributed more in attack etc etc, cos the stats just don’t show that to be the case!

I am not African descent. 

I am actually surprised that cho is a better creator is even a discussion. Just simple understat stat show that

Cho xa/90 is 0.27

Werner is 0.2

This is just basic stat that doesn't even tell the whole story. 

 

2 hours ago, Dean said:

As an aside, I want to make a plea to everyone to please stop with the “it should have been 2-0”. Commentators do this all the time and it drives me nuts. Had Werner scored there and then, the course of play would have been altered by the kick off and Pulisic wouldn’t have scored his goal. We have no idea what would have happened.
 

Also it’s harsh to set up Werner as a scapegoat if we don’t get through.

I agree with that and am bemused by how often you hear that said. However, I am still firmly of the belief that he is a completely useless centre forward. He might be quick, he might make runs, but there must surely to God be someone else quick who can run and can even score a handful of goals too. The saddest moment for Werner last night was seeing a great cross drift over the head of our barely 5 foot tall centre forward.

The big problem we have and can't address until the season is over is that we just don't have an alternative. Giroud can't play in the pacey set-up but can at least finish, and Abraham would have been tall enough but without doubt would have headed it over the bar.

24 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I am not African descent. 

I am actually surprised that cho is a better creator is even a discussion. Just simple understat stat show that

Cho xa/90 is 0.27

Werner is 0.2

This is just basic stat that doesn't even tell the whole story. 

 

No stats tell the whole story, CHO generally comes on when teams are tired, has played less games so his stats are inflated.

I think everyone would agree that the thing missing from CHO’s game is end product consistently. 
 

Back to Werner, he reminds me so much of Torres, good movement, occupies defenders, just not enough goals!

Would he be better in a two?

2 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

 

He's talking utter bollocks.

43 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

@Bob stark I’m guessing that you are either African or of African descent? I commend your backing for the young players, but take those African tinted glasses off when making statements like CHO has contributed more in attack etc etc, cos the stats just don’t show that to be the case!

So are you.

38 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

I think that says a lot more about the performances of the 2 lads more then anything, they've been consistently excellent for majority of the season hence making it difficult for TT to drop them. In regards to Tammy he may not have been operating to a similar level to the other 2 academy lads but due to the poor performances of Werner he certainly warrants more playing time then what he is getting currently.

I take your points, Imran. I have a slightly more favourable opinion of Werner than the consensus, which I fully accept and respect. But my main pushback is this: why Tammy and not Giroud? I think we’d all agree that Giroud is a more effective centre forward, yet he’s not getting selected either. So how does that fit into Rio’s narrative that our young players are being sacrificed to accommodate the big signings? If he’s going to say that, he kind of also has to say that aged but proven strikers are also being overlooked. In other words, only half of his equation holds up. I’m not even sure about that though. I think by and large our first team is being picked on merit.

12 minutes ago, coco said:

He's talking utter bollocks.

Brilliant! Wish I’d just put it like this 🙂