3 hours ago, dkw said:

Anyone who believes that is a moron. 

As the resident moron here I find this offensive. 

4 hours ago, Andy North said:

It can be argued that Chelsea have been fortunate in this window because they have a war chest when other teams will be operating in a depressed, Covid-19 effected market. 

And where did that war-chest come from?

60M for a want-away malcontent striker in Diego Costa that became Alvaro Morata
Full Refund of roughly 60M for unloading Alvaro Morata, a want-away flop
120M+ for aging Eden Hazard who pushed for a move and had 1 year left on his contract

All 3 were phenomenal pieces of business. Who led those pieces of business?

it would be remiss to talk about the war chest without giving credit to the person who helped build it

We're in this position because of a spectacularly run club. There are no guarantees in life, but I'm thrilled with how Chelsea has conducted business the last 24 months.

7 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

As the resident moron here I find this offensive. 

Ok, whats the next level up from Moron? Scouser isnt it?

... And hazards ass.

It rivalled Branislav's.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Ok, whats the next level up from Moron? Scouser isnt it?

Boris Johnson. 

1 hour ago, Valerie said:

Where did I say you said anything bad about Pulisic or Havertz? Where did I say you said they'll all be a failure? You must have trouble reading, but bad education is a blight of the lower to middle classes in England, I understand.

Because you quoted me replying to my post

Its funny because im probably further educated than you are Gail Platt ha! It's okay, dementia is common among the elderly!

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Possibly. 

At the end of the day, no matter where in the world you play football is about 22 people kicking a ball into a net. There's not much uniquely different about football in the Premier League compared to the Bundesliga. 

Timo Werner has more than 250 career appearances, Kai Havertz 150, Ben Chillwell 130. Not exactly inexperienced are they? 

Step up to what? Havertz and Werner have Champions League/Europa League experience and have played in title contending/top 4 teams. Chilwell has plenty of experience in one of the more competitive sides in the Premier League outside of the top 6 with 11 international caps already. 

There's plenty of room for those players to improve and develop but it's not like we're buying untested players here. Cristiano Ronaldo had under 50 senior appearances when he signed for Manchester United... Just saying. 

I agree, Im not saying they're complete newbies because they still have experience but that doesn't mean they will be instant hits and there's still an element of risk to them. Chilwell in all fairness is used to the nature of the premier league so in that sense he makes a bit more sense.

This whole thing is being blown out of proportion, I didnt say I had no faith in these new signings. I literally just said there is a small chance that they could not adapt to the prem well... That was it. If you were to ask me black or white whether I think they would be successful or not, I would like to think that they will all be great signings for us.. There's just a small chance that they might not be.

2 hours ago, driller97 said:

I never said anything bad about Pulisic, neither did I about Havertz? I have high hopes for them both, but I definitely have more confidence in Pulisic at the moment given that he's been excellent in this league since the lockdown and shown he can hack it, something Havertz hasn't shown yet (but im confident that he will)

What was the point in that post?

I have more confidence in Barkley than Havertz because he has shown he can hack it in the Premier league, something Havertz haven’t shown yet.

4 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

What was the point in that post?

I have more confidence in Barkley than Havertz because he has shown he can hack it in the Premier league, something Havertz haven’t shown yet.

Barkley hasnt shown much, he's been mostly terrible in most games. Pulisic has been world class

Regret reading page 1 of this thread and having to see the disgusting comments made by dkw, but nothing surprising there.

I'm glad it has gotten back on track.

I have deep admiration of everything Marina has done for the club thus far and she is certainly held to a far higher regard than Emenalo ever was. Let's hope her good work continues and we keep reaping the benefits of what the transfer market offers us.

13 hours ago, HOUCHELFAN said:

How does this one make her amazing? They asked for a price, nobody else was bidding, and we paid the asking price. I love Marina, but I’m not sure this one was anything special.

We didn't pay the asking price. She structured a deal from buying a player from 90m to all the way to 72m upfront with another 18m depending on trophies and CL qualification (if we achieve those means we get even more money where 18m becomes a pittance)

From a sales point of view, that is amazing already. Add to the fact that Havertz's purchase is not even in the top 10 of most expensive transfers of all time makes it better.

 

4 hours ago, Skinnedy said:

And where did that war-chest come from?

60M for a want-away malcontent striker in Diego Costa that became Alvaro Morata
Full Refund of roughly 60M for unloading Alvaro Morata, a want-away flop
120M+ for aging Eden Hazard who pushed for a move and had 1 year left on his contract

All 3 were phenomenal pieces of business. Who led those pieces of business?

it would be remiss to talk about the war chest without giving credit to the person who helped build it

We're in this position because of a spectacularly run club. There are no guarantees in life, but I'm thrilled with how Chelsea has conducted business the last 24 months.

Agreed. If people think football negotiations are so easy, just look at United. Throwing money around regardless of quality then selling them on for a pittance.

9 hours ago, Andy North said:

I agree.

Cuadrado, Kenedy,Morata, Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Kepa were all Marina signings so lets not get carried away with this narrative that she is the Queen of the transfer market. 

It can be argued that Chelsea have been fortunate in this window because they have a war chest when other teams will be operating in a depressed, Covid-19 effected market. 

Lets see how these players settle in and make a judgement at the end of the season.

Marina doesn't pick the targets and Marina is responsible for us having that warchest in the first place.

The amount of money she recouped from selling flops and mediocre players are amongst the highest in football. Also the fact that we have not been rinsed by any club bar the Kepa signing. And even that was because a snake left it so late in the window to switch teams giving her little time to negotiate any deal by then

3 hours ago, driller97 said:

Because you quoted me replying to my post

Its funny because im probably further educated than you are Gail Platt ha! It's okay, dementia is common among the elderly!

Oh sweetheart, that nice bit of paper mummy gave you from the Weetabix box was just a drawing, not a Ph.D. diploma! But thank you for proving my point that you really can't read all that well. Interpunction is difficult, and I would suggest you take some lessons from Moi, but she doesn't suffer fools gladly, so that rules out that avenue. Perhaps it's a comfort to know that judging from your whining about Chilwell you are quite advanced at pointless repetitiveness and borderline hysteria. 

She's good at her job and she looks great too - what's not to like. Would Roman have taken her on if she looked like Jo Brand? Who Cares?

 

 

Marina has experience in contracts, buying and selling, she's worked for Abramovich for years outside of Chelsea on his businesses. No, she's not the DOF or the Chief Scout who picks our targets, she's the negotiater, completely different. 

The thing is, neither of us really know if she's doing a good job or not, it was the same with Emenalo, we didn't know how much say Emenalo actually had, it was all guess work. He was often scapegoated, and then praised, but nobody really knew what he did, same with Petr. We could argue it's Frank who's doubling down and saying, get Havertz at any costs, he's great, or it could be Neil Bath (who I believe is the Chief Scout or Head of Youth I'm not sure), or it could very well be Petr, again... We just don't know, so it's a pointless debate. 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

She's good at her job and she looks great too - what's not to like. Would Roman have taken her on if she looked like Jo Brand? Who Cares?

 

 

10/10 for her negotiating skills, as for her looks i'll give her 1     

 

10 hours ago, Deino said:

We didn't pay the asking price. She structured a deal from buying a player from 90m to all the way to 72m upfront with another 18m depending on trophies and CL qualification (if we achieve those means we get even more money where 18m becomes a pittance)

From a sales point of view, that is amazing already. Add to the fact that Havertz's purchase is not even in the top 10 of most expensive transfers of all time makes it better.

 

also the less you pay upfront you are also able to amortize it differently giving you more room in FFP.

7 hours ago, Slojo said:

Marina has experience in contracts, buying and selling, she's worked for Abramovich for years outside of Chelsea on his businesses. No, she's not the DOF or the Chief Scout who picks our targets, she's the negotiater, completely different. 

The thing is, neither of us really know if she's doing a good job or not, it was the same with Emenalo, we didn't know how much say Emenalo actually had, it was all guess work. He was often scapegoated, and then praised, but nobody really knew what he did, same with Petr. We could argue it's Frank who's doubling down and saying, get Havertz at any costs, he's great, or it could be Neil Bath (who I believe is the Chief Scout or Head of Youth I'm not sure), or it could very well be Petr, again... We just don't know, so it's a pointless debate. 

Not really, in her role as the chief executive the buck stops with her when it comes to transfers.. while the chief scout picks our targets she can veto them. She can also hire/fire the Chief scout is she feels she is not getting the right recommendations.. Truth is no matter what - she had a poor transfer window in 2017-18.. did better in 2018-19 and is having a great one now..

2 hours ago, Jangz said:

Not really, in her role as the chief executive the buck stops with her when it comes to transfers.. while the chief scout picks our targets she can veto them. She can also hire/fire the Chief scout is she feels she is not getting the right recommendations.. Truth is no matter what - she had a poor transfer window in 2017-18.. did better in 2018-19 and is having a great one now..

I agree but she can only listen to the suggestions and recommendations from the people around her.

What I'd like to know is how did Bakayoko, Zappacosta and Drinkwater ended up on her to-buy-list.

 

2 hours ago, Deino said:

I agree but she can only listen to the suggestions and recommendations from the people around her.

What I'd like to know is how did Bakayoko, Zappacosta and Drinkwater ended up on her to-buy-list.

 

And I'd also like to know how we ended up paying a world record £71.6M and extortionate wages for a bang average goal keeper. That was one negotiation that went very very badly wrong on both counts ! Probably overpaid by £50M, plus his wages are triple what they should have been ...

5 hours ago, Jangz said:

Not really, in her role as the chief executive the buck stops with her when it comes to transfers.. while the chief scout picks our targets she can veto them. She can also hire/fire the Chief scout is she feels she is not getting the right recommendations.. Truth is no matter what - she had a poor transfer window in 2017-18.. did better in 2018-19 and is having a great one now..

We dont know if thats her role though, unless youve seen her job description on her contract. Thats not to exonerate her from any blame by the way, I just dont think she is the one who makes any footballing decisions, it looks to me like she`s Romans financial right hand at the club to do the day to day work. In the organisation I`m in she is the buyer, we engineers get the specs and needs ready with some preferred options and its then the buyers job to get us the best price, delivery terms etc.

In 2020 nobody is working what's written on the contract. Usually it's much more than that. Much more. So we will not know even if we read the damn paper. 

She represents us on the market and she will get the praise when we do good. She will also get the blame if we do bad. 

Ever since she is a director we are doing generally good. Of course, there are flops and they are more than in Emenalo and Kenyon periods but we should look at the percentages not at the raw numbers. Marina has flops in her resume but she also has cheap transfers that brought us lots of trophies. I don't recall a target that we wanted and we didn't get. Maybe with Napoli but who is getting anything from that mafiozo anyway? 

I think the biased media intentionally sleeps on Chelsea and Roman. We've been the first to give the head doctor position to a woman, Marina is among the few if there are any, female directors and she is described as the most powerful woman in football. Why is nobody acknowledging how modern and progressive Chelsea is in that department? Few racist c**s and you can't shut the BBCs and Skys journalists dirty mouths for weeks. 

2 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

And I'd also like to know how we ended up paying a world record £71.6M and extortionate wages for a bang average goal keeper. That was one negotiation that went very very badly wrong on both counts ! Probably overpaid by £50M, plus his wages are triple what they should have been ...

I am not 100% sure about this but wasnt that Kepa's release clause and we triggered it as Courtois left us in a bit of a tough spot and we didnt have the time to review and negotiate with potential targets.

Release clause's are often inflated valuation of players and dont leave any room for negotiation.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

We dont know if thats her role though, unless youve seen her job description on her contract. Thats not to exonerate her from any blame by the way, I just dont think she is the one who makes any footballing decisions, it looks to me like she`s Romans financial right hand at the club to do the day to day work. In the organisation I`m in she is the buyer, we engineers get the specs and needs ready with some preferred options and its then the buyers job to get us the best price, delivery terms etc.

The official site says she is responsible for player transactions and as a director that would mean everything to do with that. The role you describe is a very backend role of a procurement person in a typical firm- if that were the case she would not be the one getting her pictures clicked with staff such as lamps and players such as Timo.. The fact she is the face of the club for all external transactions gives us enough indications without having to read a JD.