1 hour ago, enigma said:

Klopp apparently didn't want Salah, it was their board that had targeted him. What a decision that was. Just shows that sometimes the manager doesn't always know what he's talking about in regards to players. I'm sure this happened with us getting Hazard. The board wanted him.

I actually quite admire Arsenal's business so far this window. Brought in G.Jesus. now they are looking at Neto from Wolves and Tielemans of Leicester. Solid signings that will strengthen them some more. 

They got Jesus for just over £40m which is good business. 

What were the real premises for TT falling out with the Bods at Dortmund and PSG, stubbornness maybe, unwilling to compromise his rigid belief i Pragmaball 🤣

22 hours ago, coco said:

You may have a point, but surely you have more patients than 3 games ?

He's lost our best defender, he's lost our best two midfielders to injuries, he's dealing with a new owner, a divorce, a keeper who thinks he's Messi, and very dodgy refs on top of it all.

The last thing he needs is heat from the fans. The only people who want him out are the few fans who are still pining for Frank, they will never credit Tuchel and take every opportunity to critic and blame him for one defeat. 

Well said some fans always talk about giving manger time even if it means some bad results but when the bad results come it’s” time for him to go”.

And you are correct, a few still think Lampard is the right man when it’s shown he’s not at that level.

Tuchel carried us through what is probably one of the worst periods for the club and now we are out it’s well let’s chuck him away.

I am highly frustrated with some of his decisions but I am willing to give him the full season to see where we are.

I mean arsenal should of gotten rid of Arteta but maybe it was the right decision by them to keep him you never know. 

5 hours ago, Sindre said:

Final week of the transfer window will be extremely interesting this time. And not to mention pivotal.

Need at the very least one CB, one striker and a winger. We are clearly after Fofana, Aubameyang and Gordon so lets hope we can land our targets. We need them all to have any hope of competing this season.

We don't really need cb. We certainly do not need st. We need winger because both cho and ziyech want to leave.

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 20223 yr by Bob stark

Couple of things make me think about Tuchels idea of football...

First of all the inability to score and to create chances. We all know he is a system coach and good to motivate players. That makes him one of the top coaches in the world.

Secondly I have to admit Anthony Gordon's transfer rumour is literally blowing me away. All the stats where Gordon is good is he is running for his team, closing down passing lanes and preventing opponent from creating. Gordon would be ideal for Tuchel who needs his players to run and close down players. What is not apparent about Gordon is his natural gift of scoring or making assists. We are paying 60m for an untested 20 year old marathoner. 

Would he immediately help us decide matches with his exceptional talent? Because his price tag is saying "exceptional talent". I don't see it. We have young players who can run. CHO for example. I just don't think he wants to be a runner for a rest of his career. 

I completely understand Sterling, KK and Cucurella but Gordon makes no sense to me.

If we need something it is exceptional talent. We need clever players to make great decisions in games. We don't need Tuchel saying we created enough if we don't finish our chances. Tuchel is too protective with his system-idea IMO. He needs to make his creative outlets create. Create an environment to make them shine. I feel Ziyech for him is a red cloth. He does what Tuchel doesn't say him to do. 

Kante and James in our squad are exceptional talents along with Silva. Everyone else currently is second rate.

4 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

We don't really need cb. We certainly do not need st. We need winger because both cho and ziyech want to leave.

 

I'm sorry but that's about the silliest thing i've heard in a while.

We literally have one actual CB who's not 40. As of right now there is no real opportunity for us to play with a back four and we are extremely thin for a back three. Illustrated by Reece James having to step in at RCB.

And we literally have one striker and he's an unproven youngster. We can't hope to compete with the others with that.

 

 

22 hours ago, coco said:

You may have a point, but surely you have more patients than 3 games ?

He's lost our best defender, he's lost our best two midfielders to injuries, he's dealing with a new owner, a divorce, a keeper who thinks he's Messi, and very dodgy refs on top of it all.

The last thing he needs is heat from the fans. The only people who want him out are the few fans who are still pining for Frank, they will never credit Tuchel and take every opportunity to critic and blame him for one defeat. 

 I'll be one of the first on here to defend most players and coaches mate, but I'm sorry the football is boring. It has been for a long time much more than 3 games. The whole point of this platform is to give your honest opinion I'm merely stating mine how I see it. 

I understand he needs time to get his own players and impart his style but at what point do we admit that with the time he's had so far despite how good we are in cup competitions the actual football more often than not is stale.

Again I'm not trying to dig at Tuchel he's given us a couple of trophies and a good handful of final appearances. But I think he does get a lot wrong maybe not as much as he gets things right. By no means could I do a better job or think of any manager currently that could do a better job perhaps results wise. With that being said I do think Pep, with the players in this squad finds a way to play a more attractive style whilst not relying on the crutch of having to play a back 3 and the same for Klopp. 

I'm actual a big fan of total football and the use of a back 3 and I'm a big fan of how Tuchel reinvents some of our players and uses them out of position. Yet I can't help but find his mentality sometimes not to my liking. He always has an excuse recently sometimes I'd like him to come out and say yeah the other team was just better. It doesn't make you any lesser of a man or coach.

I do love Tuchel to bits and I'm by no means advocating a witch hunt like some fans do. I'm merely stating he's by no means perfect and has his flaws which I hope some can be ironed out as we continue this process. Yet without the Roman factor I do believe he's become too comfortable, he says the standards are the same but they can't truly be without the fear of the sack unless the team performs well.

Tuchel's Chelsea is not an attractive footballing side for me, I used to think it was and at times it can be but these are too far and between. When I watch highlights of other teams/leagues or watch full games Prem, Bundesliga, Seria A, La Liga etc I come to the same conclusion we are boring.

57 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Well said some fans always talk about giving manger time even if it means some bad results but when the bad results come it’s” time for him to go”.

And you are correct, a few still think Lampard is the right man when it’s shown he’s not at that level.

Tuchel carried us through what is probably one of the worst periods for the club and now we are out it’s well let’s chuck him away.

I am highly frustrated with some of his decisions but I am willing to give him the full season to see where we are.

I mean arsenal should of gotten rid of Arteta but maybe it was the right decision by them to keep him you never know. 

No way do I want lamps back, feel he slightly tarnished his rep as the Goat at Chelsea, but TT just seems to have lost the plot, another couple of Dodgy performances and the inevitable cry of ‘TTS lost the dressing room, yea somewhere in that vast forest of sh*tty nowhere passing….😎

6 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 I'll be one of the first on here to defend most players and coaches mate, but I'm sorry the football is boring. It has been for a long time much more than 3 games. The whole point of this platform is to give your honest opinion I'm merely stating mine how I see it. 

I understand he needs time to get his own players and impart his style but at what point do we admit that with the time he's had so far despite how good we are in cup competitions the actual football more often than not is stale.

Again I'm not trying to dig at Tuchel he's given us a couple of trophies and a good handful of final appearances. But I think he does get a lot wrong maybe not as much as he gets things right. By no means could I do a better job or think of any manager currently that could do a better job perhaps results wise. With that being said I do think Pep, with the players in this squad finds a way to play a more attractive style whilst not relying on the crutch of having to play a back 3 and the same for Klopp. 

I'm actual a big fan of total football and the use of a back 3 and I'm a big fan of how Tuchel reinvents some of our players and uses them out of position. Yet I can't help but find his mentality sometimes not to my liking. He always has an excuse recently sometimes I'd like him to come out and say yeah the other team was just better. It doesn't make you any lesser of a man or coach.

I do love Tuchel to bits and I'm by no means advocating a witch hunt like some fans do. I'm merely stating he's by no means perfect and has his flaws which I hope some can be ironed out as we continue this process. Yet without the Roman factor I do believe he's become too comfortable, he says the standards are the same but they can't truly be without the fear of the sack unless the team performs well.

Tuchel's Chelsea is not an attractive footballing side for me, I used to think it was and at times it can be but these are too far and between. When I watch highlights of other teams/leagues or watch full games Prem, Bundesliga, Seria A, La Liga etc I come to the same conclusion we are boring.

So you give him no allowances for all the things i mentioned he's had to deal with in the last 12 months ?  No credit still in the bank from May 21 ?

And yes this is the platform to give your opinion, and my opinion is your opinion is wrong 😅

16 minutes ago, coco said:

So you give him no allowances for all the things i mentioned he's had to deal with in the last 12 months ?  No credit still in the bank from May 21 ?

And yes this is the platform to give your opinion, and my opinion is your opinion is wrong 😅

On that Premise Havertz still living off that CL winning goal, cos he’s used that up.

And yes I’d to like to see a touch more humility, you get it in spades from Klopp and Conte, maybe he sees self admonishment as weakness.

30 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

On that Premise Havertz still living off that CL winning goal, cos he’s used that up.

And yes I’d to like to see a touch more humility, you get it in spades from Klopp and Conte, maybe he sees self admonishment as weakness.

You give TT no allowance for losing his best defender and best two midfielders to injury ? No credit for getting the club through last season at the helm through our most frightening time in our history ? No allowance for the tough time he must be having going through a divorce missing his family ? 

Blue is truly a cold colour.

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

I'm sorry but that's about the silliest thing i've heard in a while.

We literally have one actual CB who's not 40. As of right now there is no real opportunity for us to play with a back four and we are extremely thin for a back three. Illustrated by Reece James having to step in at RCB.

And we literally have one striker and he's an unproven youngster. We can't hope to compete with the others with that.

 

 

Hmm,  playing your most athletic cb against son make so much sense. I predicted this a week before spurs game. 

Against leeds, Tuchel wanted to reward ruben for his excellent performance against Spurs hence he played again. Then unless you want to bench Reece, there is only one spot for him. 

Cucu, Azpi, James, Silva, Koulibaly, Ampadu, Chalobah 

We have 7 players who can play CB.

We also don't need a st especially not auba. 

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 I'll be one of the first on here to defend most players and coaches mate, but I'm sorry the football is boring. It has been for a long time much more than 3 games. The whole point of this platform is to give your honest opinion I'm merely stating mine how I see it. 

I understand he needs time to get his own players and impart his style but at what point do we admit that with the time he's had so far despite how good we are in cup competitions the actual football more often than not is stale.

Again I'm not trying to dig at Tuchel he's given us a couple of trophies and a good handful of final appearances. But I think he does get a lot wrong maybe not as much as he gets things right. By no means could I do a better job or think of any manager currently that could do a better job perhaps results wise. With that being said I do think Pep, with the players in this squad finds a way to play a more attractive style whilst not relying on the crutch of having to play a back 3 and the same for Klopp. 

I'm actual a big fan of total football and the use of a back 3 and I'm a big fan of how Tuchel reinvents some of our players and uses them out of position. Yet I can't help but find his mentality sometimes not to my liking. He always has an excuse recently sometimes I'd like him to come out and say yeah the other team was just better. It doesn't make you any lesser of a man or coach.

I do love Tuchel to bits and I'm by no means advocating a witch hunt like some fans do. I'm merely stating he's by no means perfect and has his flaws which I hope some can be ironed out as we continue this process. Yet without the Roman factor I do believe he's become too comfortable, he says the standards are the same but they can't truly be without the fear of the sack unless the team performs well.

Tuchel's Chelsea is not an attractive footballing side for me, I used to think it was and at times it can be but these are too far and between. When I watch highlights of other teams/leagues or watch full games Prem, Bundesliga, Seria A, La Liga etc I come to the same conclusion we are boring.

Hmm if you don't like Tuchel football then you won't like Guardiola. They are very similar.

I am not sure back 3 is the problem. Last year city who scored the most goal in pl played very similar attaxking shape to ours. The difference is that city attack with more attacker (one of our attacker is kante)  and better attacker. If you say then just replace Kante with better attacker, just watch how easy leeds attacked us through the middle and if you want to watch crazy defense just watch how stupid our defense looks in back 4 in 2nd half against leeds. Even Tuchel said he regretted switching to back 4.

 

Edited August 24, 20223 yr by Bob stark

1 hour ago, coco said:

You give TT no allowance for losing his best defender and best two midfielders to injury ? No credit for getting the club through last season at the helm through our most frightening time in our history ? No allowance for the tough time he must be having going through a divorce missing his family ? 

Blue is truly a cold colour.

And I want to see a more attractive brand of winning football, and the amount of members that continually state the same thing proves I’m not in an echo chamber, spouting vitriol because TT, can’t see what every footballing fan wants, TT change our clouded view of yourself, and admit you’re getting things wrong wrong wrong…

6 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

And I want to see a more attractive brand of winning football, and the amount of members that continually state the same thing proves I’m not in an echo chamber, spouting vitriol because TT, can’t see what every footballing fan wants, TT change our clouded view of yourself, and admit you’re getting things wrong wrong wrong…

...............and you want it now !

 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Against leeds, Tuchel wanted to reward ruben for his excellent performance against Spurs hence he played again. Then unless you want to bench Reece, there is only one spot for him. 

That's an abysmal way to select a team.  Horses for courses.

Ruben filling in well for Reece in one game we needed him at CB does not mean he has to start the next game.

Our best player should be playing in his best position almost every game.  If there's 1 or 2 games a season we want him at CB to combat specific threats fair enough but he shouldn't be moved just for the sake of fitting RLC in and hoping Ruben has 2 of his 4 good games a season back to back.

6 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

That's an abysmal way to select a team.  Horses for courses.

Ruben filling in well for Reece in one game we needed him at CB does not mean he has to start the next game.

Our best player should be playing in his best position almost every game.  If there's 1 or 2 games a season we want him at CB to combat specific threats fair enough but he shouldn't be moved just for the sake of fitting RLC in and hoping Ruben has 2 of his 4 good games a season back to back.

Hmm playing Reece James as rcb is not the reason why we lose. 

 

27 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Hmm playing Reece James as rcb is not the reason why we lose. 

 

Not in isolation.

But playing our best player, the best wingback in the world and unfortunately our biggest goal and creative threat at centre back certainly doesn't help the problems we have going forward.

1 hour ago, HazardousChoice said:

Not in isolation.

But playing our best player, the best wingback in the world and unfortunately our biggest goal and creative threat at centre back certainly doesn't help the problems we have going forward.

Ah, no! Can't believe it! After all this time! This is a momentous occasion. It's the end of an era Hazardous Voice. You have made a post and I'm gonna ........press the "like" button.

Unbelievable.

 

I honestly feel little connection to Tuchel. I don't know if it's because we sacked lamps to get him, or because I've finally learned not to get emotionally attached to managers, but I've just never felt it with him.

Then when you add the horrible football we've been playing under his management.. I certainly won't be crying over his inevitable sacking in the (near?) future.

I think it’s becoming clear that Tuchel is falling to get the best out of the attacking players. Whether that’s through the system, personality clashes, confidence…whatever, he’s not getting anything out of them.
 

Unfortunately I don’t believe that Kai, Werner, Ziyech, Lukaku, Mount and Pulisic are ALL this bad. 

42 minutes ago, CFCholland said:

I honestly feel little connection to Tuchel. I don't know if it's because we sacked lamps to get him, or because I've finally learned not to get emotionally attached to managers, but I've just never felt it with him.

Then when you add the horrible football we've been playing under his management.. I certainly won't be crying over his inevitable sacking in the (near?) future.

No way TT will get sacked in the near future unless our form drops off a cliff, we are way down the PL by November and in danger of not making out of the group stage of CL.

At times the football has been good, but more often than not lately not so good. Thhink he is showing too much loyalty to the wrong players and some of those who started the Leeds game, deserve to be dropped.

I still like TT. Think he's got a lot of integrity and has been through a lot and with his proven record, he deserves a good amount of time to turn things round. Can't see any better out there. But that's football. One or two more bad results and Liverpool fans will be calling for Klopp to be axed!

2 hours ago, just said:

Ah, no! Can't believe it! After all this time! This is a momentous occasion. It's the end of an era Hazardous Voice. You have made a post and I'm gonna ........press the "like" button.

Unbelievable.

 

Don’t be so gung ho about this, let’s just calm down🤣🤣🤣

9 hours ago, coco said:

So you give him no allowances for all the things i mentioned he's had to deal with in the last 12 months ?  No credit still in the bank from May 21 ?

And yes this is the platform to give your opinion, and my opinion is your opinion is wrong 😅

Coco, his football is boring, tedious and nap worthy. The constant excuses made for it after the Champions League win is unashamedly consistent!

10 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

That's an abysmal way to select a team.  Horses for courses.

Ruben filling in well for Reece in one game we needed him at CB does not mean he has to start the next game.

Our best player should be playing in his best position almost every game.  If there's 1 or 2 games a season we want him at CB to combat specific threats fair enough but he shouldn't be moved just for the sake of fitting RLC in and hoping Ruben has 2 of his 4 good games a season back to back.

I thought ruben played well against leeds, so not sure playing ruben as rwb was a problem, the same as playing Reece as rcb. 

I am not sure rwb is Reece best position. He is so good everywhere it is almost irrelevant.