7 hours ago, azpi28 said:

 

 

Tbf it was difficult for me to stay awake watching this game. 

I believe he couldn't be happy yesterday. Personally, I trust Tuchel, he's exactly what we need in terms of everything, but I'm just tired of the 5-2-3/3-4-3 formation to be honest. 

The best thing we get from this is counter attacks and involvement of the wingbacks which gives us an advantage of 5 in the final third. But the football we're playing is not good enough. 

We still have time to build a proper team, even with current players we have enough quality to build something strong. I know that we've won the CL with this formation and Tuchel succeed with it, but it terms of quality we're not there.

The midfield provides us no protection .. the moment the opposition passes the first press its a free run.. how can a coach not see that.. more than a 80 mil defender we need a physical midfielder..  with a proper CDM you will have less pressure on your CBs and maybe play with what we have got..

I think this insistence on a back 5 will cost TT his job and the club an expensive experiment

4 minutes ago, Jangz said:

The midfield provides us no protection .. the moment the opposition passes the first press its a free run.. how can a coach not see that.. more than a 80 mil defender we need a physical midfielder..  with a proper CDM you will have less pressure on your CBs and maybe play with what we have got..

I think this insistence on a back 5 will cost TT his job and the club an expensive experiment

I've always thought the midfield is by far the biggest problem. Our three main central midfielders (Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic) are all good players in their own right, but none of them are quite what we need, nor do they really "work" in any of the available combinations and permutations. They don't cover the defence very well, which exposes the defenders, nor do they provide much forward impetus to enable and support the forwards, and none of them really have what I'd call a physical presence either.

No idea what the answer is. Maybe De Jong helps ? Maybe this new guy Chukwuemeka  ? Maybe there is a key to unlock the "potential" in RLC ?

I don't think Gallagher is going to be the answer either 🙂 

20 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I've always thought the midfield is by far the biggest problem. Our three main central midfielders (Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic) are all good players in their own right, but none of them are quite what we need, nor do they really "work" in any of the available combinations and permutations. They don't cover the defence very well, which exposes the defenders, nor do they provide much forward impetus to enable and support the forwards, and none of them really have what I'd call a physical presence either.

No idea what the answer is. Maybe De Jong helps ? Maybe this new guy Chukwuemeka  ? Maybe there is a key to unlock the "potential" in RLC ?

I don't think Gallagher is going to be the answer either 🙂 

I personally believe the answer has been Declan Rice,he has been what we've needed the last couple of seasons. 

So more of the same last night, terrible football, nick a penalty and hope we don't concede against a rubbish team with no strikers. Gonna be a long, tedious season if we have to watch this type of dross every season. 

I suppose the only excitement will be hoping Sterling can be our new Hazard to create some attacking impetus. 

It's early days, but what was encouraging was how all the players signed recently were our best players yesterday. I don't think Boehly/TT are going to stop until the whole squad has been revitalised. They had to start with the defence, but I am expecting a similar shake up in the midfield and the forwards over the next couple of transfer windows. 

14 hours ago, azpi28 said:

 

 

Man spoke so much whilst not talkung at all

3 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I've always thought the midfield is by far the biggest problem. Our three main central midfielders (Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic) are all good players in their own right, but none of them are quite what we need, nor do they really "work" in any of the available combinations and permutations. They don't cover the defence very well, which exposes the defenders, nor do they provide much forward impetus to enable and support the forwards, and none of them really have what I'd call a physical presence either.

No idea what the answer is. Maybe De Jong helps ? Maybe this new guy Chukwuemeka  ? Maybe there is a key to unlock the "potential" in RLC ?

I don't think Gallagher is going to be the answer either 🙂 

All 3 do complement each other with some particular things. We do have 3 CBs that are there in order to stop attacks, otherwise what's the point of having 3 of them there if Tuchel is expecting the 2 central midfielders to do the work of the defense? We had over 60% possession away, Kante pressed and tackled the most while Jorginho passed forward and recovered the most balls. 

Also Tuchel still expects our full-backs to solve games, after all it was Chilwell that won us the penalty, he went into space in the box there, that's our attacking pattern from last season when Alonso and Rudiger used to do it on that same side. For example James had a lot of possession but did pretty much nothing with it the whole match, at some point last season when both Chilwell and James were in good form we looked very dangerous, a lot is down to them in the current system.

7 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

All 3 do complement each other with some particular things. We do have 3 CBs that are there in order to stop attacks, otherwise what's the point of having 3 of them there if Tuchel is expecting the 2 central midfielders to do the work of the defense? We had over 60% possession away, Kante pressed and tackled the most while Jorginho passed forward and recovered the most balls. 

Also Tuchel still expects our full-backs to solve games, after all it was Chilwell that won us the penalty, he went into space in the box there, that's our attacking pattern from last season when Alonso and Rudiger used to do it on that same side. For example James had a lot of possession but did pretty much nothing with it the whole match, at some point last season when both Chilwell and James were in good form we looked very dangerous, a lot is down to them in the current system.

The fact that we NEED 3 CBs is the point ... we need 3 because it wouldn't work with the current midfielders if we only had 2 CBs ... with a top play-making DM, we would be able to play 2 centre backs and still have the necessary defensive solidity, giving us an extra player further up the pitch. This is not a Kante vs Jorginho vs Kovacic argument. None of them are quite what we need ... in my opinion 🙂 .

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

The fact that we NEED 3 CBs is the point ... we need 3 because it wouldn't work with the current midfielders if we only had 2 CBs ... with a top play-making DM, we would be able to play 2 centre backs and still have the necessary defensive solidity, giving us an extra player further up the pitch. This is not a Kante vs Jorginho vs Kovacic argument. None of them are quite what we need ... in my opinion 🙂 .

But then we don't need the midfielders to protect the backline as much if we need 3CBs at the back to begin with, what's the point of first complaining about the midfielders not covering the defense when our tactic does depend on our back 3 to do their job? I understand that if we want to play a back 4 that we would need new midfielders but that's a different topic.

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

But then we don't need the midfielders to protect the backline as much if we need 3CBs at the back to begin with, what's the point of first complaining about the midfielders not covering the defense when our tactic does depend on our back 3 to do their job? I understand that if we want to play a back 4 that we would need new midfielders but that's a different topic.

Because in that scenario they add very little to the attack ... they aren't getting into the box to support the forwards, or playing incisive passes through the lines, etc etc. They're just playing too many short passes between themselves in the centre third of the pitch, which is no help to anything other than possession stats.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Because in that scenario they add very little to the attack ... they aren't getting into the box to support the forwards, or playing incisive passes through the lines, etc etc. They're just playing too many short passes between themselves in the centre third of the pitch, which is no help to anything other than possession stats.

Yes they don't do well enough, but it all depends because somehow the least amount of goals we scored last season came from the attack. Our defenders scored over 20 PL last season, so it's also how we attack too.

Liverpool had an amazing record of their frontline last season, yet their midfielders didn't have an impressive amount of assists at all. Our midfielders are not producing enough but apparently Tuchel isn't really expecting that from them, our attack patterns are clearly not different now as against Everton we depended on Chilwell and James the most.

Small sample of our fan base on here but it seems to me more and more people are growing disappointed in how TT manages the team.

28 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Small sample of our fan base on here but it seems to me more and more people are growing disappointed in how TT manages the team.

Have seen that as well. I am backing him. He is not the problem as we speak IMO.

Timo is close to going back to Leipzig...it either means we are looking to sign someone or Tuchel will trust Broja...and or Batshuay....

1 minute ago, evissy said:

Timo is close to going back to Leipzig...it either means we are looking to sign someone or Tuchel will trust Broja...and or Batshuay....

CHO leaving as well and we are still actively trying to ditch Ziyech.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

CHO leaving as well and we are still actively trying to ditch Ziyech.

We shouldn't lose Ziyech. He is still an underused asset to me. 

1 minute ago, evissy said:

We shouldn't lose Ziyech. He is still an underused asset to me. 

Is not a player that works in TT set up and he is behind Broja and Pulisic in the mix apparently. We are so desperate to flop Ziyech we apparently offered him to Milan for 8mill only as we don't want him taking up a loan spot 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Small sample of our fan base on here but it seems to me more and more people are growing disappointed in how TT manages the team.

It’s not just fans but our players have also started making noises.. something has gotta give IMO..  either a change in formation or we could see this season go horribly wrong.

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/chelsea-news-transfers-live-fofana-24691221#2991370

 

1 hour ago, Jangz said:

It’s not just fans but our players have also started making noises.. something has gotta give IMO..  either a change in formation or we could see this season go horribly wrong.

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/chelsea-news-transfers-live-fofana-24691221#2991370

 

Not 1 single player with any value to this or any other premier league club has suggested they have a problem with Tuchel.

If the trash wants to take itself out then it's a positive.

Edited August 7, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

Looking at what City are doing to West Ham (who are way better than Everton), we're miles off their level. We need a top goalscorer if we seriously want to challenge

Someone like Haaland would solve all problems.

13 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Looking at what City are doing to West Ham (who are way better than Everton), we're miles off their level. We need a top goalscorer if we seriously want to challenge

Our real issue is our midfield don't create enough. That through ball to Haaland is the thing we're missing. 

Yesterday, Sterling and to a lesser extent Havertz made runs that went undetected or couldn't get a properly delivered ball. A potent goalscorer is great but he's nothing if the service is sh*te