3 minutes ago, Argo said:

I think we should just not go there else we'll sound like the Spurs fans kidding themselves Mourinho has changed, he is who he is.

He will probably be an 1 or 2 full season job but unlike others i don't see that as a negative, if he develops our players half as well as he developed player's at his previous clubs (Auba and Mbappe especially) we will be left in a very healthy position, if he can win a big one then even better.

The only negative i feel so far is he by all accounts is a massive Rudi fan, can't be dealing with two more years of that prat unless Tuchel can coax his 17/18 form back.

The fact that Tuchel is a massive Rudiger fan is worrying since Rudiger hasn't been a good player for 2 seasons...

I wonder if Tuchel will automatically make the 3-5-2/3-5-1-1 formation since it's pretty obvious that Rudiger isn't that stable at all and would require some extra help.

44 minutes ago, Slojo said:

This is actually a good move from the club, it's a cheap option with a potential big reward. Either Tuchel becomes a great manager, in which case we give him a new contract, or if he's rubbish and can't seem to get going at all it won't take much to release him. 

Let's see what he can do. 

I think he will definetly last this season but the summer is crucial. First place to get into trouble looking at his history. 

I think Tuchel is good for this time. And in terms of big egos we really don't have these big caliber names like Neymar or Mbappe that can disrupt the whole team. 

3 minutes ago, evissy said:

I think he will definetly last this season but the summer is crucial. First place to get into trouble looking at his history. 

I think Tuchel is good for this time. And in terms of big egos we really don't have these big caliber names like Neymar or Mbappe that can disrupt the whole team. 

Yes we do. We have Rudiger!

2 hours ago, dkw said:

So close to Allo Allo....wasnt that something like Herr Flick?

Dennis Pennis to Elton John '' You're very popular in Germany where you're known as Herr Piece '' 🤣

28 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Yes we do. We have Rudiger!

Naah. I don't believe this for a second. 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

If nothing changes and we fail to reach top 4, it will be a clear mistake by the board for making this move. Tuchel must deliver, he is known to be a good coach like Sarri and he is also known for working well with younger players. Our team doesn't have that many big names as PSG that has a few big stars so as long as he is able to do his job we should be able to see a change and we need to see a change fast.

It won't be a mistake because if we kept Frank and failed to get top 4 (which now looks most likely) he would've been sacked anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference in that regard. 

Now we have Tuchel who we hope can achieve a small miracle by getting top 4 this season but whether he does or doesn't, the objective next season will also be the same. Top 4 or face the sack.

6 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

It won't be a mistake because if we kept Frank and failed to get top 4 (which now looks most likely) he would've been sacked anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference in that regard. 

Now we have Tuchel who we hope can achieve a small miracle by getting top 4 this season but whether he does or doesn't, the objective next season will also be the same. Top 4 or face the sack.

Of course it will be a mistake if he doesn’t get top 4! If Frank hadn’t reached top 4 this season he would have been sacked in summer, fair enough, but he would have gotten this season to try and sort the mess out. It is different sacking a legend after an FA Cup win in the middle of a season than wait until the summer and part ways. Very different attitude towards the coach. It’s all that we were asking, give him til the summer and reevaluate. While you were asking for him to go ASAP so that we could start winning and getting to top 4. So now I that’s been done, we should not expect anything short of top 4.

14 minutes ago, RMH said:

Of course it will be a mistake if he doesn’t get top 4! 

We brought in Hiddink 1.0 to recover the title but despite falling short at that his tenure was considered a success (so much so we spent the duration of his last home game begging him to stay) because it gave us strong momentum for the next season where we ultimately won the league.

While i don't disagree that the target should be to recover top 4 if we wanted it at absolutely any cost we'd have appointed Allegri, if we can build up some similar momentum to take us forward to August then i wouldn't consider it a mistake even if we ultimately miss out.

Edited January 26, 20215 yr by Argo

19 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

It won't be a mistake because if we kept Frank and failed to get top 4 (which now looks most likely) he would've been sacked anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference in that regard. 

Now we have Tuchel who we hope can achieve a small miracle by getting top 4 this season but whether he does or doesn't, the objective next season will also be the same. Top 4 or face the sack.

Not really a small miracle considering we are 5 points off a CL spot

Fans were willing to sack a club legend if it meant securing CL qualification for next season, if we don't secure top 4 obviously it means the decision of not giving Lampard the opportunity to resurrect the season was a mistake.

10 minutes ago, RMH said:

Of course it will be a mistake if he doesn’t get top 4! If Frank hadn’t reached top 4 this season he would have been sacked in summer, fair enough, but he would have gotten this season to try and sort the mess out. It is different sacking a legend after an FA Cup win in the middle of a season than wait until the summer and part ways. Very different attitude towards the coach. It’s all that we were asking, give him til the summer and reevaluate. While you were asking for him to go ASAP so that we could start winning and getting to top 4. So now I that’s been done, we should not expect anything short of top 4.

I think with Tuchel we have a better chance at clawing back top 4 than we did with Frank still at the helm. Thats exactly why the board did what they did. Change before it becomes out of reach. 

If between now and the end of the season we see no improvement in performances and relatively the same football as it was under Frank, then yeah it would be a mistake.

Its been bugging me all night finally got it, he is a skinny Greg Davis, maybe I am still half pissed 🙂

 

2 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

Not really a small miracle considering we are 5 points off a CL spot

Fans were willing to sack a club legend if it meant securing CL qualification for next season, if we don't secure top 4 obviously it means the decision of not giving Lampard the opportunity to resurrect the season was a mistake.

Well 5 points off Liverpool. There are teams below them like Everton with two games in hand, which could increase that gap to 9 points. 

Considering our recent form and winless run against the top sides all season, isit unrealistic to think that we can leap frog the 5 teams above us and beat at least half of them to hopefully reduce a potential 9 point deficit? Highly unlikely under Frank.

Last season we got really lucky from Xmas with everyone showing bad form. We just had that early buffer to not be in this position.

1 hour ago, dansubrosa said:

Yes we do. We have Rudiger!

Even if that's true, Rudiger is rubbish, everyone knows this. The PSG players however, Verratti, Neymar, M'bappe, Icardi, Parades etc. Those players you can't leave out of the starting lineup or you're f**ked, we could have 5 defenders injured and we wouldn't need Rudiger. 

1 minute ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Well 5 points off Liverpool. There are teams below them like Everton with two games in hand, which could increase that gap to 9 points. 

Considering our recent form and winless run against the top sides all season, isit unrealistic to think that we can leap frog the 5 teams above us and beat at least half of them to hopefully reduce a potential 9 point deficit? Highly unlikely under Frank.

Last season we got really lucky from Xmas with everyone showing bad form. We just had that early buffer to not be in this position.

Reality is we are 5 points off a CL spot, this season games in hand does not mean much due to the volatility of the league, potentially we could've been top of the league after the Everton game but clearly that didn't materialize.

Not targeted purely at you (You could've stated this first time) but I am sick of people downplaying us finishing 4th last season and putting it down to luck. We made top 4 against the odds all whilst promoting a number of youth players, In a cup competition you can talk about luck etc. but a league table across 38 games does not lie.

I am actually excited to see what Tuchel can do with the talent we've got. We know the squad needs further improvement but there's no question we could play a whole lot better than we did recently.

43 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

It won't be a mistake because if we kept Frank and failed to get top 4 (which now looks most likely) he would've been sacked anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference in that regard. 

Now we have Tuchel who we hope can achieve a small miracle by getting top 4 this season but whether he does or doesn't, the objective next season will also be the same. Top 4 or face the sack.

You don't know that, it's all speculation. One of the main arguments against Lampard here is that he had limited experience prior to becoming our manager, even so he finished top 4 with playing 21 year olds Tammy, Mount and so on...

So if Tuchel is that guy that has so much more experience I don't see why would you even label us finishing top 4 as a small miracle, it goes against the very decision to even hire Tuchel in the first place? Are you saying that the board sacked Lampard in order to hope for a small miracle in Tuchel? That would mean that in case we do finish top 4, it would be all down to luck since there is very little hope of Tuchel being good enough for this job...

If someone like Lampard had no credits left after 1 month of bad results, someone like Tuchel shouldn't have any if we fail to finish top 4. 

You would expect Tuchel to prioritise getting Werner and Havertz playing well.

That might mean some of our favourites like Mount being benched.

Rudiger might not be so fortunate as Silva's opinion on his preferred CB will be respected. 

Tuchel's pride will make Havertz and Werner a priority especially after that outburst from Hassenhutl

 

27 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

Reality is we are 5 points off a CL spot, this season games in hand does not mean much due to the volatility of the league, potentially we could've been top of the league after the Everton game but clearly that didn't materialize.

Not targeted purely at you (You could've stated this first time) but I am sick of people downplaying us finishing 4th last season and putting it down to luck. We made top 4 against the odds all whilst promoting a number of youth players, In a cup competition you can talk about luck etc. but a league table across 38 games does not lie.

We got top 4 on merit. The luck is down to how bad everyone else was. You only have to look at how many points it took to achieve top 4. Alot lower than usual. How many times did we fail to win and concede that we had blown top 4? Only for Leicester and Utd pull a stinker and also drop silly points.

2 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

We got top 4 on merit. The luck is down to how bad everyone else was. You only have to look at how many points it took to achieve top 4. Alot lower than usual. How many times did we fail to win and concede that we had blown top 4? Only for Leicester and Utd pull a stinker and also drop silly points.

It doesn't matter what everybody else has done. Frank guided us to a 4th finish, on same points as Man United and that is despite them signing Bruno, who got their established team out of jail. Meanwhile Frank had to play Kepa, Pedro, Willian, the academy kids who played in the championship the year before.

You can paint it however you want to but the truth is Frank had a fantastic season, guiding us to 4th finish and FA cup final. Did we really expect this after a transfer ban and the huge loss of Eden Hazard? I was prepared for a top 10 finish considering the circumstances.

Frank has exceeded expectations massively. That's the truth.

Quote

Thomas Tuchel  is a German professional football coach and former player. Revered for his tactical knowledge and style of play, Tuchel's coaching career has also been characterized by his fractious relationships with his employers.^[3]

 

Gotta love that first sentence, man likes to have wars with people, great! 😬

2 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

It doesn't matter what everybody else has done. Frank guided us to a 4th finish, on same points as Man United and that is despite them signing Bruno, who got their established team out of jail. Meanwhile Frank had to play Kepa, Pedro, Willian, the academy kids who played in the championship the year before.

You can paint it however you want to but the truth is Frank had a fantastic season, guiding us to 4th finish and FA cup final. Did we really expect this after a transfer ban and the huge loss of Eden Hazard? I was prepared for a top 10 finish considering the circumstances.

Frank has exceeded expectations massively. That's the truth.

Yes he exceeded expectations massively. I never expected to finish in the top 4 after Hazard left and we did. For that he was rewarded with a war chest to push on and close the gap on the top 2. Frank inexperienced at the top level with huge pressure was highlighted hence the sacking. 

1 minute ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Yes he exceeded expectations massively. I never expected to finish in the top 4 after Hazard left and we did. For that he was rewarded with a war chest to push on and close the gap on the top 2. Frank inexperienced at the top level with huge pressure was highlighted hence the sacking. 

Yeah, can't argue with that.

I had a quick look on his tactics bit on wiki. My god, this is identical to Lampard's play.

At Paris Saint-Germain, Tuchel primarily played a 4–3–3 with plenty of flair to emphasize the attacking capabilities of wide forwards Neymar and Kylian Mbappé. During the 2018–19 season, the forward line, with Neymar and Mbappé flanking central target man Edinson Cavani, would regularly drop into the half-space or into wide areas.^[109] The team's fullbacks would also push up alongside the midfield, in order to attain positional overloads. Simultaneously, this would disrupt attempts to man-mark Neymar and Mbappé, and create space behind the defensive line for the pair to run into.^[109]

The team's midfield would see the deepest, defensive midfielder stick close to the central defenders, who would often be joined by another midfielder who can act as a deep-lying playmaker. These roles were largely occupied by Marquinhos and Marco Verratti, respectively. The last remaining midfielder would push forward, to stagger attacks and disrupt defensive structure by overloading one side of the opponent's defensive area.

10 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

It doesn't matter what everybody else has done. Frank guided us to a 4th finish, on same points as Man United and that is despite them signing Bruno, who got their established team out of jail. Meanwhile Frank had to play Kepa, Pedro, Willian, the academy kids who played in the championship the year before.

You can paint it however you want to but the truth is Frank had a fantastic season, guiding us to 4th finish and FA cup final. Did we really expect this after a transfer ban and the huge loss of Eden Hazard? I was prepared for a top 10 finish considering the circumstances.

Frank has exceeded expectations massively. That's the truth.

Agree and even factoring that out the fact 66 points isn't usually enough is irrelevant, it was last season. United's treble winning side won the league with a points haul that wouldn't have been enough in any other season since, you think United fans care ot it waters down their achievement? Not a chance!

I think we will need to go on a big winning run and also beat our rivals to secure top 4. Time for the boys to some big performances.