44 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The crazy thing is that I am even starting to doubt if he will score many goals for us. I never wanted him in the first place because I thought he would make us a worse team overall, but even I expected him to comfortably end up as our top goalscorer. Nearly half way into the season and he still only has 4 goals. I know he's been injured, but even before the injury he was starting to struggle. He just looks sh*t all over right now. He doesn't get any chances, his link up play is terrible, he looks clumsy, he doesn't look anywhere close to a player that is going to make the difference for us. 

Lukaku is not an elite striker or footballer. At this moment, he doesn't look any better than he did when he was playing for West Brom, if anything, he looks worse.

I think he has bought into his own hype and thinks he's the dog's bollocks now, so doesn't bother to do the hard work anymore. That makes him useless when he doesn't score and makes us a worse team overall. I'm not a big fan of Havertz but even when he doesn't score, the team looks way better because he contributes in other ways.

Starting to get my doubts about him. Have to be honest about that.

Didn't mind us buying him and I thought he had a very promising start. Bullied Mari at Emirates and did likewise at Tottenham. But lately he's been incredible static, resorting to physical fights about big Premier League CBs and that surely wasn't the intention. He needs to be going on more runs and try to drag defenders out of position more. Right now he looks like a more physical Tammy Abraham and that is far from good enough.

Perhaps the saving grace is that he's far from top form now. Been out for a month and a half and clearly needs games to find his form again. Fingers crossed that it happens.

Is he the same weight he was when he was tearing it up in Serie A, or has he put a few pounds back on ?  He looks a lot softer than the chiselled beast that terrorised the Italians .... 

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

So you think changing to a different system will suddenly have our attacking players scoring? why? they get plenty of chances to score in the current system, they just don't take them, why does that suddenly change if we switch to something like 4-5-1 or 4-3-3? 

For some reason it's just not working, so why not try something like a 4-4-2 with less possession and a faster organized attack, I mean we got the squad that should be able to play any formation when healthy. If it doesn't work we would at least know the limitations of the squad, like this it always feels like we never reach the full potential.

Interesting tactical analysis:

https://chelseareport.wixsite.com/chelsea/post/what-s-gone-wrong-with-rom
 

Kinda makes sense and he’s always enjoyed counter attacking 

When he arrived was a breath of fresh air.  Left Chelsea a boy, returned a man.  Was hungry, driven, and a leader in all we saw.  Destroyed Arsenal - looked fitter, faster and a step ahead of everyone.  Good for a few games after.

Since going off the boil, followed by the injury, he has been borderline pedestrian.  I expect a lot more work rate and movement than what he is offering.  Struggling in the system and tight spaces, but needs to find his rhythm again quickly.  He is far better than what we have just seen.

I still believe in him.  Not every striker we buy can arrive a goal machine, play on those instincts, and then become a two footed hinderance that quickly.  It must be something in our style and dna as this is not new.  But, we have to turn it around.  Get Rom firing and we ease the pressure on midfield and defence.  Until then, we'll be in this silly pattern.

Step it up Rom.

It is not a a co incidence that westham took over as he game once the second half started with Lukaku over havertz. 

Lukaku offers absolutely nothing on the press or the counter press . It has nothing to do with match fitness it is not his style to press. He fits in a counter attacking team and offers nothing in a possession team. His movement or lack there of is atrocious. 

Looks like we are stuck with an expensive keeper and striker who don't fit our footballing philosophy

2 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

It is not a a co incidence that westham took over as he game once the second half started with Lukaku over havertz. 

Lukaku offers absolutely nothing on the press or the counter press . It has nothing to do with match fitness it is not his style to press. He fits in a counter attacking team and offers nothing in a possession team. His movement or lack there of is atrocious. 

Looks like we are stuck with an expensive keeper and striker who don't fit our footballing philosophy

I have that concern too, hoping TT and his coaching team can make his game more rounded.

Not hopeful though.

Just now, strider6004 said:

I have that concern too, hoping TT and his coaching team can make his game more rounded.

Not hopeful though.

You cant teach an old dog new tricks. He is almost 29

Ive said this from day one. he will not score a load of goals for us, he's the wrong player for this team, he's way to slow and immobile in the box. I'm pretty pissed of with this signing. If all his fans would take off their rose tinted they'll see it too.

I'm not prepared to give up on him yet. He started the season well, and has only just returned from a couple of months out injured. That being said I agree with concerns over whether he fits with our style of play. If Tuchel was 100% behind the signing then I am sure he has an idea about how to make Lukaku work in his system. However it wouldn't be the first time that the board has tried to jam an expensive square peg into a round hole.

2 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I'm not prepared to give up on him yet. He started the season well, and has only just returned from a couple of months out injured. That being said I agree with concerns over whether he fits with our style of play. If Tuchel was 100% behind the signing then I am sure he has an idea about how to make Lukaku work in his system. However it wouldn't be the first time that the board has tried to jam an expensive square peg into a round hole.

Only way Lukaku succeeds back here is if we sack TT and appoint a Conte style manager, say David Moyes. Sit back and counter is what Inter did to make Lukaku look good. 

So unless TT wants to give up his football philosophy then Lukaku will be what gets him sacked.

10 games without a goal now. I think there does seem to be a problem with the forwards in general as none of them scoring goals consistently 

3 minutes ago, JM7 said:

10 games without a goal now. I think there does seem to be a problem with the forwards in general as none of them scoring goals consistently 

2 in 2 for Mount at least though, that is more like it.

40 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Only way Lukaku succeeds back here is if we sack TT and appoint a Conte style manager, say David Moyes. Sit back and counter is what Inter did to make Lukaku look good. 

So unless TT wants to give up his football philosophy then Lukaku will be what gets him sacked.

Poor recruitment has been the downfall of most of our coaches tbh, Lukaku’s arrival spoilt the broth and is a step back in terms of squad building. Although we have been operating at an (mostly) efficient way from Marina’s side etc but we are not well integrated enough. Chelsea is mainly a ‘reactive’ organisation, we react to things and go with the here and now; even the academy’s rise is a ‘reaction’ to external factors. It shows what a great environment it is at Liverpool & Man-City in particular with regards to their managers wants and needs, from top to bottom. Not complaining too much, as we’ve had a lot of success but the two teams above us have got the entire formula right. 

46 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Only way Lukaku succeeds back here is if we sack TT and appoint a Conte style manager, say David Moyes. Sit back and counter is what Inter did to make Lukaku look good. 

So unless TT wants to give up his football philosophy then Lukaku will be what gets him sacked.

To be fair that style or a similar one would at the very least equally match Werner and probably Havertz, they also played their best football while having the space in counter-attacks. Which begs the question, why wouldn't Tuchel try a more counter-attacking approach in a 4-4-2 for example? I think our attack would switch into a higher gear in that scenario.

It was clear that we should have paid what ever it was demanded to get Haland to the team. We have not had a good striker in the team for ages. And without that we can't dream of winning PL.

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

To be fair that style or a similar one would at the very least equally match Werner and probably Havertz, they also played their best football while having the space in counter-attacks. Which begs the question, why wouldn't Tuchel try a more counter-attacking approach in a 4-4-2 for example? I think our attack would switch into a higher gear in that scenario.

Don't have the CBS for a back 4. Would expose all of AC and Rudis weaknesses. Trev might hold us together if Silva stays fit.

Plus then there is Alonso at left back...

Chelsea truly is the graveyard for strikers. We can’t sign good forwards at all

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Interesting tactical analysis:

https://chelseareport.wixsite.com/chelsea/post/what-s-gone-wrong-with-rom
 

Kinda makes sense and he’s always enjoyed counter attacking 

That is interesting -- I always thought of Rom as a target forward that bull-dozed in small spaces centrally -- rather than needing space in the wing or on counter-attack. But, I guess that makes sense that he may not be a system fit -- which damn, that's more difficult to fix. 

At least now he will get a few starts in a row to score some goals and prove himself again. He just needs to be more active on the field, the Lukaku from Inter was doing that last year, somehow we got the one just want to be the target man, or is that all Tuchel's fault?🤑

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Only way Lukaku succeeds back here is if we sack TT and appoint a Conte style manager, say David Moyes. Sit back and counter is what Inter did to make Lukaku look good. 

So unless TT wants to give up his football philosophy then Lukaku will be what gets him sacked.

Well this is Chelsea so you are only a month of bad results away from a new manager ;). That being said if you are correct about TT's philosophy then presumably he didn't want Lukaku? In that case the board have once again undermined a manager after being delivered some success.

8 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Well this is Chelsea so you are only a month of bad results away from a new manager ;). That being said if you are correct about TT's philosophy then presumably he didn't want Lukaku? In that case the board have once again undermined a manager after being delivered some success.

Hard to say, maybe he felt he could get the best out of lukaku. We will find out perhaps when TT leaves.

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Well this is Chelsea so you are only a month of bad results away from a new manager ;). That being said if you are correct about TT's philosophy then presumably he didn't want Lukaku? In that case the board have once again undermined a manager after being delivered some success.

Every player is a board signing once they start struggling!

I'm semi jesting but Tuchel was absolutely beaming when he got him, I know he said he's learned from his prior boardroom wars and i do believe him but it would be quite the 180 to go from his previous persona to being totally happy after having an expensive player forced on him.

Just a theory but I think he underestimated just how hard it was going to be fitting Rom into this system, get the goals and worry about the rest later kind of thing.

7 minutes ago, Argo said:

Every player is a board signing once they start struggling!

I'm semi jesting but Tuchel was absolutely beaming when he got him, I know he said he's learned from his prior boardroom wars and i do believe him but it would be quite the 180 to go from his previous persona to being totally happy after having an expensive player forced on him.

Just a theory but I think he underestimated just how hard it was going to be fitting Rom into this system, get the goals and worry about the rest later kind of thing.

May well be the mistake that costs him the job.