42 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Ben Jacobs is saying we will come in for Lavia but the player is already set on Liverpool. 

I think it may well be the saints using the Joe Shields connection, and our futile attempts to sign Caicedo, to get Liverpool to up their offer for Lavia.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

I think it may well be the saints using the Joe Shields connection, and our futile attempts to sign Caicedo, to get Liverpool to up their offer for Lavia.

Saints must have a distant relative of Niccolo Machiavelli working in their media dept.

 

 

Mental.

Caicedo apparently getting close, and now this bid for Lavia. 

Maybe the Nkunku injury pushed Pochettino into thinking 433 short term, Caicedo, Lavia, Enzo. 

Never a dull moment, just hope its Caicedo and Lavia, not Caicedo or Lavia! 

Not sure where that leaves Tyler Adams though too. 

I'm not even gonna bother guessing what's happening this window 😂 if we got Lavia and Caicedo I'd be buzzing.

romano calling a bid about 8% above liverpool but does anyone outside of those negotiating actually know the facts.

2 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'm not even gonna bother guessing what's happening this window 😂 if we got Lavia and Caicedo I'd be buzzing.

Yeah I’ve been lost

45 minutes ago, big blue said:

Mental.

Caicedo apparently getting close, and now this bid for Lavia. 

Maybe the Nkunku injury pushed Pochettino into thinking 433 short term, Caicedo, Lavia, Enzo. 

Never a dull moment, just hope its Caicedo and Lavia, not Caicedo or Lavia! 

Not sure where that leaves Tyler Adams though too. 

Think Pochettino always wanted a strong midfield base. Nkunku will likely be seen as a LF/CF option. 
 

Enzo, Caicedo, Lavia,

Carney, Gallagher, Santos. 
 

At least we could easily match Southampton's demands, surprised it took this long given we made next to no progress on Caicedo for months.  If Brighton signed Lavia, we will be paying for 120M for him in 12-18 months, so may as well get this done and leave Brighton with an unhappy star player.

Hope this and the Caicedo deal get done quickly and we can move on to our final pieces of the jigsaw

1 hour ago, big blue said:

Mental.

Caicedo apparently getting close, and now this bid for Lavia. 

Maybe the Nkunku injury pushed Pochettino into thinking 433 short term, Caicedo, Lavia, Enzo. 

Never a dull moment, just hope its Caicedo and Lavia, not Caicedo or Lavia! 

Not sure where that leaves Tyler Adams though too. 

Surprised the move didn’t happen earlier, he was on the market. If he is good enough to start for Liverpool, he is more than good enough to start for us. Always felt the Ugochukwu and Tyler money should have been used to buy Lavia. In an ideal world we would buy both Lavia and Caicedo and play a mid 3 in some games, we wouldn’t get away with a mid 2 against the big sides.

This has been an exciting summer!

5 hours ago, ducavis said:

Surprised the move didn’t happen earlier, he was on the market. If he is good enough to start for Liverpool, he is more than good enough to start for us. Always felt the Ugochukwu and Tyler money should have been used to buy Lavia. In an ideal world we would buy both Lavia and Caicedo and play a mid 3 in some games, we wouldn’t get away with a mid 2 against the big sides.

I'm assuming everyone just expected Liverpool to stump up the cash. 

That he hasn't had given us the opening. I expect we move away from Adams.

48m is a weird one to go in at, maybe it's just the opener to then discuss payment terms at 50/52. 

I'd love to be on the inside in these transfer deals. 

Good move, let's make it happen.

7 hours ago, ducavis said:

Surprised the move didn’t happen earlier, he was on the market. If he is good enough to start for Liverpool, he is more than good enough to start for us. Always felt the Ugochukwu and Tyler money should have been used to buy Lavia. In an ideal world we would buy both Lavia and Caicedo and play a mid 3 in some games, we wouldn’t get away with a mid 2 against the big sides.

Think the issue with Lavia is that he is a bit of an attacking liability; great defensively and can move the ball through the midfield well on the dribble but his passing leaves a lot to be desired. Big clubs, who face 90% of teams defending deep against them, can ill-afford a player who is essentially a passenger in attack. I can't see City/Guardiola ever wanting a player like that.

Caicedo is a similarly good defender but also couples that with excellent attacking ability. He is not a liability in possession or when he is the furthest midfielder forward. From a Chelsea perspective, this is ideal because teams can't just focus on marking Enzo out of the game. 

Liverpool could be ideal for Lavia though, as he will get time and freedom to develop, and more than anything they need a defensive shield for Alexander-Arnold. Lavia is particularly good at dropping wide to close down wingers.

Edited August 10, 20232 yr by SydneyChelsea

Lavia, Adams and Caicedo triple doesn't make sense if we are playing 2 deep. The other player is then Enzo or Gallagher, the other one of the formerly mentioned. 

I feel, as we just about low-balled Southampton, we are making Brighton nervous bidding a player in a similar position and on top of that we are probably going to make Liverpool pay more for Lavia. 2 birds one stone type of thing.

The timing of this seems strange. 

12 minutes ago, JM7 said:

The timing of this seems strange. 

I don't think it's that deep. 

Liverpool were front runners but can't agree a price. That is seemingly confirmed this week and so we've stepped in. 

Lavia + Caicedo was always our first choice. Now it appears like we might get them both. 

I think it is designed to unsettle both Caicedo and Brighton, or to focus their mind that there are viable alternatives.

8 hours ago, ducavis said:

Surprised the move didn’t happen earlier, he was on the market. If he is good enough to start for Liverpool, he is more than good enough to start for us. Always felt the Ugochukwu and Tyler money should have been used to buy Lavia. In an ideal world we would buy both Lavia and Caicedo and play a mid 3 in some games, we wouldn’t get away with a mid 2 against the big sides.

Yeah I was expecting we wouldve moved for him with joe shields being pretty influential so far in our transfer strategy, but dropping £23m on Ugochukwu made me think that it was over. A lot of money to spend on another 19 year old dm.

I like how powerful this midfield will be if we pull it off. 

 

It will be very very funny if we sign both Lavia and Caicedo. As a few others have said, I wonder if this means we're thinking of doing with a 4-3-3. It would be nice to give Mudryk a run of games wide left without worry too much about his defensive contribution. This would also help James and Chilwell get more involved in the play. 

 

James, Silva, Colwill, Chilly 

Caicedo, Lavia, Enzo

Sterling, Jackson, Mudryk 

 

Something like this? Maybe Lavia out for a number 10 against weaker teams? 

Bidding for Lavia does potentially two things: Liverpool end up paying full price, Brighton grow concerned with unhappy Caicedo. Messing with Lpool is a bonus and landing Caicedo is the target.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Bidding for Lavia does potentially two things: Liverpool end up paying full price, Brighton grow concerned with unhappy Caicedo. Messing with Lpool is a bonus and landing Caicedo is the target.

It seems Lpool are doing the same with us.

Can’t see it being caicedo and Lavia although I’m all for it, think this is just a move to put Brighton under some pressure 

3 hours ago, Hessleboink said:

It will be very very funny if we sign both Lavia and Caicedo. As a few others have said, I wonder if this means we're thinking of doing with a 4-3-3. It would be nice to give Mudryk a run of games wide left without worry too much about his defensive contribution. This would also help James and Chilwell get more involved in the play. 

 

James, Silva, Colwill, Chilly 

Caicedo, Lavia, Enzo

Sterling, Jackson, Mudryk 

 

Something like this? Maybe Lavia out for a number 10 against weaker teams? 

Will be interesting to see which one would be 'sitting', Caicedo or Lavia. 

 

If true this does spell the end for Gallagher imo. 

keep - Enzo, Caicedo, Lavia, Adams, Santos, Carney 

loan - Ugochukwu

sell - Gallagher