1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

I think Sarri's football at Chelsea overshadowed how good his Napoli side were. At the time Napoli were playing some of the most attractive football in Europe. That was the general consensus in the footballing world as well. Most people, including myself didn't see him as an upgrade on Conte though.

 

Even in Potter's best season at Brighton they were 15th in the league in goals scored. People were complaining about Tuchel not being attacking enough, how is this guy going to be any better. 

 

Not to mention it's a completely different story playing attractive football with Brighton compared to playing attractive football against a 10 man bus week in week out in a 60 game season like Tuchel had to deal with. I hope Potter can pull it oof but I have my doubts

People have regularly said 'it's a different story playing against teams that will defend in numbers'

But also highlight how many goals his teams scored 

So why is the argument 'its a different story when you have a better quality squad' conveniently ignored?

Of course Brighton would struggle to set the world alight in terns of goals scored. They were underdogs in probably 90% of games they played.

For me it's about looking beyond pointless stats which fail miserably to make a credible argument.

3 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I find it interesting that the media reception to Potter is more positive than when Tuchel came. It took Tuchel wining the UCL and beating Man City three times before pundits began taking him seriously despite his resumé. I remember Ferdinand and co all having doubts about him when he came in. On the other hand, Potter hasn't won anything and people are already touting him as the 'chosen one' for Chelsea.

It definitely comes from the wish of the media for an english elite manager, so it shouldn't be surprising that the media are happy when an english manager gets appointed at one of the top clubs. I can understand the appeal an english manager at a top club has to the media while no english manager has won the Premier League or the Champions League and I don't see a problem that it's this way either, I mean that the media perceives him positively. Hopefully he can change the fact that no english manager has won both of the big titles in his time here, if it isn't to much to ask of him.

– Graham Potter has masterminded victories against sides managed by Arsene Wenger, Mikel Arteta, Marcelo Bielsa, Ralf Rangnick, Erik ten Hag, Brendan Rodgers, Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Antonio Conte, Mauricio Pochettino, Jose Mourinho and Rafael Benitez.

1 minute ago, enigma said:

– Graham Potter has masterminded victories against sides managed by Arsene Wenger, Mikel Arteta, Marcelo Bielsa, Ralf Rangnick, Erik ten Hag, Brendan Rodgers, Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Antonio Conte, Mauricio Pochettino, Jose Mourinho and Rafael Benitez.

This is a good sign. The thing I liked most about us under Tuchel was how well we played agains the top sides, even if the football against the lower teams wasn't as good.

It's nice we have a manager getting so media love, let's hope a few 50-50 VAR calls going our way too. It is a huge step up, and more pressure on him than our last English manager since the owner just bought 250M worth of players with or without his support.

23 minutes ago, loz said:

The Lampard one, for the reasons you state, is a massive exception.

Tuchel has a fine CV, no doubt about it. But things were going wrong and new owners are never  interested in history. They are looking at the here and now and making a call on whether it seems a good idea to keep him. Given how poorly we have played all season, and second half of last season, and given a number of  players seem to have given up playing for him, and given he almost seemed  to publicly admit he doesn't know how to fix it it is hardly a surprise the owners decided to act.

I'm not saying it's necessarily fair he should take the blame for certain players effort, attitude or performances but we all know football. Players don't get sacked, managers do.

 

 

This is exacltly it though, the likes of Ziyech and Pulisic are awful and yet Tuchel gets the blame for it. There's almost 0 games where we haven't created more chances than our opponents, our forwards just waste them all. Are people going to turn on Potter once he inevitably gets let down as well?

 

All season has been 6 games, the new signings haven't been given a chance to gel in yet. If we were adrift of top 4 in Decemeber I'd understand it, but 6 games in where we've got 10 points is hardly a disaster.

Edited September 11, 20223 yr by Drogba1

13 minutes ago, loz said:

People have regularly said 'it's a different story playing against teams that will defend in numbers'

But also highlight how many goals his teams scored 

So why is the argument 'its a different story when you have a better quality squad' conveniently ignored?

Of course Brighton would struggle to set the world alight in terns of goals scored. They were underdogs in probably 90% of games they played.

For me it's about looking beyond pointless stats which fail miserably to make a credible argument.

Point is when Brighton aren't scoring much more than they'd be expected to (around 15th-16th), then I'm not sure how he is suddenly going to turn Chelsea into a free scoring side in a way that Tuchel couldn't.

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Point is when Brighton aren't scoring much more than they'd be expected to (around 15th-16th), then I'm not sure how he is suddenly going to turn Chelsea into a free scoring side in a way that Tuchel couldn't.

I think you could argue 15th in the league is what would be expected and he then took them comfortably higher than that last season and has continued that this season (granted its early days). So that could be interpreted as, for two seasons he got at least as much as expectations out of players and then showed he can push them well beyond expectations. 

8 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I think Sarri's football at Chelsea overshadowed how good his Napoli side were. At the time Napoli were playing some of the most attractive football in Europe. That was the general consensus in the footballing world as well. Most people, including myself didn't see him as an upgrade on Conte though.

 

Even in Potter's best season at Brighton they were 15th in the league in goals scored. People were complaining about Tuchel not being attacking enough, how is this guy going to be any better. 

 

Not to mention it's a completely different story playing attractive football with Brighton compared to playing attractive football against a 10 man bus week in week out in a 60 game season like Tuchel had to deal with. I hope Potter can pull it oof but I have my doubts

Drogba1. We all have some doubts and reservations about ANY new manager coming in. Probably moreso now given the events of the last week and the circumstances we are in. And I agree, Tuchel deserved more time. BUT we are hearing from multiple sources that there were some major issues between TT and some of the players and TT and the board. 

Will Potter rejuvenate the squad as quickly as Tuchel did when he arrived? No. I really don't think he will. But I don't think it's realistic that we should automatically expect him to either. Different time, different problems. When Tuchel arrived our defence was the big problem. For Potter our tempo and attack is the primary problem. Is Potter the right bloke to solve those problems? Who knows but I think he is as good a candidate as anyone else out there at the moment. Yep, a bit left field. Yep, a bit unconventional in his approach to coaching and man management, (we could perhaps grow to love him for that), and yes, untried at a major club. But he is OUR manager now and I couldn't care less if he is German, Dutch, Australian, Italian, English or a Gorilla in a Pink tutu as long as he has a plan to pull the players together as a team, gives them a system they can understand and execute and which  hopefully, hopefully, gets them playing more free-flowing, expressive, entertaining football.

59 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

Mount's had a go he's keeping it real you get me bruv 🤣

 

Kick the little face in the place, lmao what a guy. Unfortunately this guys loves 20 mins from me haha

2 hours ago, azpi28 said:

honestly quite impressive to get a so called group of difficult players to perform the swan lake ballet on stage

There's at least one player in our squad who is up for it 🙂 

I will never be able to unsee that !

24 minutes ago, coco said:

I will never be able to unsee that !

You will be having the most wonderful dreams...and then...

Ted Boehly when someone told him no English manager has won the premier league....

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Ted Boehly when someone told him no English manager has won the premier league....

 

 

 

 

So long as he makes money he will be comforted nicely...whereas you will ALWAYS have that image of CP...all thanks to @just and @Sexyfootball...who I question if they think THAT is indeed...sexy footballer...

8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So long as he makes money he will be comforted nicely...whereas you will ALWAYS have that image of CP...all thanks to @just and @Sexyfootball...who I question if they think THAT is indeed...sexy footballer...

Potters getting Pulisic to sing "somewhere over the rainbow" to the players in a team building experience.. 

Do you think anyone has told him that yet ? I wonder if he knows ? Maybe Todd thinks it's about time and Englishman won it ?

35 minutes ago, coco said:

Potters getting Pulisic to sing "somewhere over the rainbow" to the players in a team building experience.. 

That what you heard? I heard he has made him the lead in our first team squads play for Mary Poppins... 😉

38 minutes ago, coco said:

Do you think anyone has told him that yet ? I wonder if he knows ? Maybe Todd thinks it's about time and Englishman won it ?

Maybe once Pep is done and if Cities owners are forced out he may have a chance...

I'm getting some AVB vibes from all this!

4 minutes ago, Mod said:

I'm getting some AVB vibes from all this!

Hey I am supposed to be the prophet of doom around here! then @Zeta .... 

2 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

There's at least one player in our squad who is up for it 🙂 

You know as the all powerful @Mod can you change people's avatars...just a thought...

On 07/09/2022 at 09:37, Sexyfootball said:

Brighton's PL results last season :

 

I don't think any further words are necessary !

dkw probably salivating at that home form LOL

I don't know whether its just coincidence but does the HA HA HA HA HA look laughable to you. Sure looks laughable from Game 9 -18 and 26 - 31.  If its true he's been scouted and was approached on metrics I'd be firing the guy in charge of stats. 

On the Luis Campos rumours the general belief form the panel on ESPN, which included our own Frank Lebouf, believe he won't leave PSG as he just started there and has an amazing relationship with their manager.

Fun fact, our new GK coach was the keeper for Boro in the 97 FA Cup final.