4 minutes ago, Argo said:

I think he's a good coach the problem for me is his football isn't great (highly reliant on forcing opposition mistakes) and his record in the transfer market is very bad. Part of the reason Spurs' squad is in such a state is down to him.

I'd blame it more so on Levy, Poch is no saint (at least not anymore pun definitely intended). Conte has definitely made a difference, but there's no denying Levy is the single biggest obstacle to Spurs winning anything significant. 

2 hours ago, evissy said:

Zidane is a coach for a team with massive egos and talent. He would be perfect for Team France (lost that chance now) or Real Madrid. For our young squad probably not.

We have egos and the so called player-power even if we don't have the talent so he would sort that out!

Backing Zidane would also mean some world class talents would suddenly want to join and France has been producing the most talents in the world.

Zidane for us would be huge, like Desailly or Vialli coming and the press conferances would be lit. 

This is hugely embarrassing and disgraceful. Not one of these forwards have been convincing or consistent. Pulisic is also missing which adds another £60m to the figure. 

Over £400m on forwards alone and zero output.

 

 

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by JM7

24 minutes ago, JM7 said:

This is hugely embarrassing and disgraceful. Not one of these forwards have been convincing or consistent. Pulisic is also missing which adds another £60m to the figure. 

Over £400m on forwards alone and zero output.

 

 

I think you've helped to highlight what our 'issues' are and it's not Potter!  My fear is that we just keep blaming the manager and hire, sack, repeat - all the while the team just keeps getting worse and worse - a trend we had way back in the 1970's - and look where that got us!  A trend only stopped by Bates when he refused to sack John Neal (a lot of so called Chelsea fans at the time were screaming for his head)  - and look where that got us, back on an upward trajectory!

A lesson from history that we MUST take heed of right now.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

We have egos and the so called player-power even if we don't have the talent so he would sort that out!

Backing Zidane would also mean some world class talents would suddenly want to join and France has been producing the most talents in the world.

Zidane for us would be huge, like Desailly or Vialli coming and the press conferances would be lit. 

Know one knows exactly how much player power/ loosing the dressing room has to do with our managers getting sacked- you don't seem to get many warts and all players biography's these days which used to retrospectively shed light on internal strife.

Mourinho's second stint appeared to be a case, TT,most likely also. Probably more examples festooning our managerial carousel but who knows...

@JM7

Bit harsh for me instead of zero output I would go for not enough output.

Havertz does score just nowhere enough and should probably be a bench option 

Sterling started well and then w

Fofana only seen once.  

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by strider6004

3 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

@JM7

Bit harsh for me instead of zero output I would go for not enough output.

Havertz does score just nowhere enough and should probably be a bench option 

Sterling started well and then w

Fofana only seen once.  

My theory with Sterling is that he signed for Tuchel - hence him looking good under TT. Once Potter took over, his performances massively dropped. 

7 minutes ago, JM7 said:

My theory with Sterling is that he signed for Tuchel - hence him looking good under TT. Once Potter took over, his performances massively dropped. 

Both were signed under TT and when James was playing both looked decent at times and James delivered decent balls to attack.

We need another option that can deliver good service to attackers.

 

 

 

 

Lampard signed Havertz, Ziyech and Werner, Tuchel signed Lukaku, Sterling and Aubameyang.

It still takes a good coach to win matches though. All of these players were signed on the back of having some kind of a reputation and profile. It all comes down to the fact that we don't know how to identify players that are coming up and full of ability, something that Man City does and you can argue even Man United that keeps spending and signing any upcoming talent at least managed to do well with Bruno Fernandes.

We have somehow failed to sign a good final third player and it can't be the fault of the rest of the squad since at the very least Giroud was able to come in and do the job while he was here.

1 hour ago, Droyman said:

I think you've helped to highlight what our 'issues' are and it's not Potter!  My fear is that we just keep blaming the manager and hire, sack, repeat - all the while the team just keeps getting worse and worse - a trend we had way back in the 1970's - and look where that got us!  A trend only stopped by Bates when he refused to sack John Neal (a lot of so called Chelsea fans at the time were screaming for his head)  - and look where that got us, back on an upward trajectory!

A lesson from history that we MUST take heed of right now.

Not exactly, Potter is a further addition to the problem. He has never been praised as a manager that has free scoring teams. His style has only been praised as just nice football on the eyes and that's it. 

40 minutes ago, JM7 said:

My theory with Sterling is that he signed for Tuchel - hence him looking good under TT. Once Potter took over, his performances massively dropped. 

To be fair: He played him at wing back very frequently. I don`t think I have to explain why Sterling should NEVER be played in that position. If I was him I would half-ass it as well considering the good start he had under TT.

https://twitter.com/siphillipssport/status/1613077581699633152?t=v63w1JXLR4bGUpiYsOCX3w&s=19

I am fine with that. Concrete goal for the season and Potter has a safe environment to work.

7 hours ago, JM7 said:

This is hugely embarrassing and disgraceful. Not one of these forwards have been convincing or consistent. Pulisic is also missing which adds another £60m to the figure. 

Over £400m on forwards alone and zero output.

 

 

Also needs to be noted that we've barely changed our midfield with all those forwards coming in. The constant reliance on players like Jorginho and co will mean that most strikers that come here will continue to flop. Highly doubt that if we had a De Bruyne type midfield that any of those strikers would flop, even Lukaku probably would have done well.

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Frankie8Lampard

2 hours ago, evissy said:

https://twitter.com/siphillipssport/status/1613077581699633152?t=v63w1JXLR4bGUpiYsOCX3w&s=19

I am fine with that. Concrete goal for the season and Potter has a safe environment to work.

What if we finish outside the top 6 (which looks very likely now), does he keep his job then?

55 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

What if we finish outside the top 6 (which looks very likely now), does he keep his job then?

I think he does, and probably should. Unless of course it’s really doom and gloom with no style coming through.

Just seen his press conference, it was quite nice to see him describe himself as a top coach and say opponents would have said it too. We need some of that confidence from him, which I think we can all agree he’s perhaps lacked that top coach mentality, at least in front of the press.

Think we all need to get behind not only him but the club, through what is clearly a difficult period. Hopefully we come out of it set for years to come.

And if Potter isn’t the man the board etc have a squad and policy in place to switch the coach without needing to overhaul the squad.

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Also needs to be noted that we've barely changed our midfield with all those forwards coming in. The constant reliance on players like Jorginho and co will mean that most strikers that come here will continue to flop. Highly doubt that if we had a De Bruyne type midfield that any of those strikers would flop, even Lukaku probably would have done well.

Well said.. Potter inherited a mess but I am not sure any of the moves we have made in the window (i.e Joao Felix) is going to fix the problem, I actually see it further complicating the issue as he is a big money signing he is forced to play.
We just aren’t creating any chances for our forwards because the players we have in the middle of the park don’t have the ability to pick the right ball. There was an instance in the 4-0 loss to City where Mount received the ball in the middle of the park, if he had instantly played the ball forward to Havertz who had made a run into space, he could have had a shot at goal. Instead he took a touch and passed it square to Hall to his left.
 

Key Passes per Game:

City: KDB (3.5) + Gundogan (1.7) + Grealish (1.7) + Mahrez (1.4) + Silva (1.4) + Foden (1.3) = 11

Man Utd: Bruno (2.8) + Eriksen (1.4) + Sancho (1.4) = 5.6

Arsenal: Oodegaard (2.3) + Saka (2.2) + Martinelli (1.6) + Jesus (1.6) + Xhaka (1.5) = 9.2

Liverpool: Salah (2.1) + Robertson (1.9) + Trent (1.8) + Firminio (1.3) + Nunez (1.2) = 8.3

Tottenham: Kulusevski (1.9) + Son (1.9) + Kane (1.7) + Perisic (1.5) = 7

Chelsea: Sterling (1.5) + Mount (1.3) = 2.8

Sorry but any forward would struggle with these appalling numbers

Just an idea, reckon Potter could get a tune out of Lukaku? Inter loan not going well

12 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Just an idea, reckon Potter could get a tune out of Lukaku? Inter loan not going well

No, I don’t want to see him in a Chelsea shirt again 

4 hours ago, evissy said:

https://twitter.com/siphillipssport/status/1613077581699633152?t=v63w1JXLR4bGUpiYsOCX3w&s=19

I am fine with that. Concrete goal for the season and Potter has a safe environment to work.

I think that's actually a dangerous mindset for the board and also some fans to take. No one is saying he shouldn't get time (providing he shows he deserves it). But let's say we finish 17th if his job is safe then we truly have failed RA's legacy. In fact I would argue anything below 12th there should be some jepadory otherwise our owners are r*tards. 

One fan put it into perspective for me in that twitter thread, imagine having complete job security regardless of how bad you perform whilst being on astronomical wages. I'm sorry but if you're paying someone that much they have to be tactically stronger they have to do better with whatever they're given injuries included. £12m a year and his job doesn't depend on top 4 fine, top 6 questionable but anywhere below 8th and that's just poor decision making from the board. 

Let's be honest if he wasn't on £12m per season it would be a lot easier to sack him a reminder Frank was on £3m per year ans achieved top 4 under a transfer embargo after losing a player that contributed 50% of the teams attacking output. Back the coach by all means buuut come on surely the wage itself should be an indication that he has to do better mitigating factors or not.

 

15 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Just an idea, reckon Potter could get a tune out of Lukaku? Inter loan not going well

I've never disliked a player that's played for us as much as him. I was one of the fans that backed him until he shoved it in our face. The disrespect from him is unforgivable. I never want to see him play for us again, Inter give is £50m-60m and take him off our hands. 

To think he actually believes he's one of the top 5 strikers in the world sorry he's not even top 10 based off last season. Too one dimensional, good on his day, but not good enough to compromise a working system over. People on here claimed Lukaku would get TT sacked if he didn't work out how true their words were even if it was directly related it played a factor

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

Well said.. Potter inherited a mess but I am not sure any of the moves we have made in the window (i.e Joao Felix) is going to fix the problem, I actually see it further complicating the issue as he is a big money signing he is forced to play.
We just aren’t creating any chances for our forwards because the players we have in the middle of the park don’t have the ability to pick the right ball. There was an instance in the 4-0 loss to City where Mount received the ball in the middle of the park, if he had instantly played the ball forward to Havertz who had made a run into space, he could have had a shot at goal. Instead he took a touch and passed it square to Hall to his left.
 

Key Passes per Game:

City: KDB (3.5) + Gundogan (1.7) + Grealish (1.7) + Mahrez (1.4) + Silva (1.4) + Foden (1.3) = 11

Man Utd: Bruno (2.8) + Eriksen (1.4) + Sancho (1.4) = 5.6

Arsenal: Oodegaard (2.3) + Saka (2.2) + Martinelli (1.6) + Jesus (1.6) + Xhaka (1.5) = 9.2

Liverpool: Salah (2.1) + Robertson (1.9) + Trent (1.8) + Firminio (1.3) + Nunez (1.2) = 8.3

Tottenham: Kulusevski (1.9) + Son (1.9) + Kane (1.7) + Perisic (1.5) = 7

Chelsea: Sterling (1.5) + Mount (1.3) = 2.8

Sorry but any forward would struggle with these appalling numbers

I won't deny that we need better players but a big part of this is also coaching. We were great at playing at a high intensity without the ball, to press and win the ball back and to take advantage from it was a great asset of the team, but we haven't had the training to do the same with the ball, while having possession. This is why many times we go all the way to the enemy box and then pass the ball all the way back to Kepa, the squad wasn't coached to take that final step or to take a risk.

Sarri wanted no risks, almost no crosses as it's unpredictable where the ball will go and we wanted to avoid counter-attacks. Similarly with Tuchel, it was more important to keep the ball than to play a really open game with it.

We were prepared to play and open game while pressing, since it was great when Mount, Kante and Werner were pressing high up the pitch, but it wasn't ideal to expose e.g. T.Silva to have to run a higher tempo match as it wasn't prefferable to see our squad winning and losing possession a lot. That would mean a lot of positional changes and that didn't suit T.Silva, Jorginho or Azpilicueta, Alonso or Kovacic so to lose the ball a lot would have meant more defensive errors, so instructions were to preferably keep the ball, pass it back and wait for another opening.

Mount is great at high level pressing, he's also great at taking first time shots (we've seen him score from volleys and from outside of the box without taking multiple touches, that means that he has good technique). This season we have no players in top 10 when it comes to key passes, but I believe that Mount with proper coaching can get better at it.

We're actually 10th when it comes to progressive passes made so far this season, suits with our league placement. And with the way we play since we can get to the final third pretty quickly at times but instead of actually attacking and ending the attack with a shot, regardless of where it goes we could attack again sooner but instead we come to the final third and then we spend a lot of time passing the ball back and then even more back, just for the sake of not losing possession and thus no progressive passes are made over a significantly longer period of time. The coach needs to train that away somehow, attack, get a shot attempt, reset and attack again.

 

Edited January 11, 20233 yr by Gol15

Can't remember what the original song is but everyone knows this goal chant it's legendary. You know you have an agenda when you absent mindenly find yourself singing "please can we sack Graham Potter" to this tune 😂😂

 

 

49 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Can't remember what the original song is but everyone knows this goal chant it's legendary. You know you have an agenda when you absent mindenly find yourself singing "please can we sack Graham Potter" to this tune 😂😂

 

 

Seven nation army. 

Could well be rubbish but the Sun has an article claiming that Potter only has the rest of January to turn things around, and may even be fired after the Fulham game if we lose. Same article claims Pochettino will be the replacement if Potter is shown the door.

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I've never disliked a player that's played for us as much as him. I was one of the fans that backed him until he shoved it in our face. The disrespect from him is unforgivable. I never want to see him play for us again, Inter give is £50m-60m and take him off our hands. 

To think he actually believes he's one of the top 5 strikers in the world sorry he's not even top 10 based off last season. Too one dimensional, good on his day, but not good enough to compromise a working system over. People on here claimed Lukaku would get TT sacked if he didn't work out how true their words were even if it was directly related it played a factor

I used to always consider him Drogba's successor, I 100% wanted us to sign him over Morata, and to be fair he probably does a lot better under Conte's discipline.

Crazy how bad he turned out for us in the end though, 100m down the drain. Got to be our worst ever signing by a mile.