1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

25% i think they said last night

That's huge for them given the state of the Argentine economy (the reason they had to sell Enzo so low in the first place).

Just now, Argo said:

That's huge for them given the state of the Argentine economy (the reason they had to sell Enzo so low in the first place).

I thought that myself when that Kaveh fella said it last night 25m euros a year after selling him for about 10m euros i think he said, although i am a bit confused between which one was 10m and which was 4.5 between Enzo and Caceido

15 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

He'll be replacing Jorginho!!!!!!

Sure, jorgi still can't handle PL speed off the ball but on the ball he has adapted quite well 

3 hours ago, evissy said:

Todd and co are used to working around money and regulations. I think with the army of lawyers they have they have thought everything through. However they don't know how fickle the governing bodies can be. 

We are not doing things by the Spirit of The FFP. This sort of behavior is finding loopholes and using them with massive forces of money. This is usually a sign for the governing bodies to once again finetune their rules so big money players like us can't bend and twist the market. 

I don't think we are breaking any laws, we are just choosing not to go with the spirit of the FFP ruling.

The spirit of FFP died when they allowed City to circumnavigate through the use of shady sponsors.

As long as the repercussion is minimal, why should we play by their rules? Roman adhered to it for years but was always besmirched by these governing bodies. 

This is just karma biting them back and they didn't like it. 

57 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Any good example especially central midfielder? 

If he comes in the summer with pre season on his belt, I will be more confident but new country , new system, new league, I am worried. 

Pretty much everyone that came from Portugal adapted pretty easily. Jota, Matic, Dier, Cedric etc. I mean Van Dijk came from Scotland and adapted well, Kante came from a lower table Ligue 1 team and took the PL by storm

3 hours ago, evissy said:

Todd and co are used to working around money and regulations. I think with the army of lawyers they have they have thought everything through. However they don't know how fickle the governing bodies can be. 

We are not doing things by the Spirit of The FFP. This sort of behavior is finding loopholes and using them with massive forces of money. This is usually a sign for the governing bodies to once again finetune their rules so big money players like us can't bend and twist the market. 

I don't think we are breaking any laws, we are just choosing not to go with the spirit of the FFP ruling.

I had no idea there is a 'spirit of the FPP', did anyone know?

Usually a spirit of something is invoked by those who have no case whatsoever against others, because nothing illegal has been done. It's often accompanied by the sound of gnashing teeth. 

3 hours ago, Aguia_SLB said:

Considering the time that we have been receiving these amounts, the future should be now. 

You can't just compete against financial powered clubs, with all the respect. 

This is where academy and sharp scouting becomes useless sportingly speaking, because you dig for talent and then others take them easily.

 

Can't compete? Your scouting department identified a gem and your senior management fleeced 200m from rivals in the Champions League. 

Be proud. Benfica is still top of the group beating out PSG if I recalled correctly and currently on course to win the League title in Portugal, right? 

38 minutes ago, enigma said:

Does anyone know if River Plate will receive any money from this sale? 

25% of the total transfer fee minus management and solidarity fee (which amounts to 10%~)

Makes it 25% of 121*0.9*0,25= 27.22 M€ 

1 hour ago, dkw said:

FFP was brought in by the European elite clubs to keep them at the top and stop upstarts like us gaining entry, it was never about saving clubs from themselves.

Spot on!

It’s a farce and everybody knows it, people have just conveniently forgot about how flawed it is for a month to suit their agendas against Chelsea.

So FFP is for keeping Liverpool and Real Madrid still atop and "up and coming" sides like Chelsea to keep shuffling the pack....? That is basically the sentiment...?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

You have to analyze a player's technical ability and how they cope under pressure to really determine if they can adapt to the Premier League. 

No worry with Enzo adapting. 

 

3 minutes ago, evissy said:

So FFP is for keeping Liverpool and Real Madrid still atop and "up and coming" sides like Chelsea to keep shuffling the pack....? That is basically the sentiment...?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

FFP is implemented to make sure the clubs aren't able to spend beyond their revenues.

The clubs that must abide by this rule are generally the lower table teams. 

Clubs like Real Madrid can circumnavigate through the Spanish Govt. by selling any asset they own to them. Eg. Selling the Bernabeu to the state for 1bn then having the state loaning it back to them. The RB group does this by setting up clubs all over the world, Barca avoids through selling portions of their profits also known as levers. PSG is funded by any Qatar-owned company notably Bein Sports, City use shady af sponsors ran by or are shell companies. 

Hypothetically, going purely by FFP, probably only Utd are able to purchase hundreds of millions of pounds worth of player through revenue. 

 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Playing with heart of a tiger is irrelevant. Most players especially midfielder struggle in PL because they used to have more time on the ball. 

I watched bentacur for Spurs, although he has done very well, you can really tell he used to play in a league where he has more time. 

In term of Bruno, player who come from Ligue one usually adapt to PL very well. The list is endless. 

Thankfully you said  ligue one players USUALLY or I would have given you the bakayoko example. 

When I say heart of a tiger I mean he is up for a battle and won't be easily intimidated. He is a physical player but also a technical and a tactically astute player. I will honestly be very surprised if the speed of the premiership is too much for him.

22 minutes ago, Deino said:

Can't compete? Your scouting department identified a gem and your senior management fleeced 200m from rivals in the Champions League. 

Be proud. Benfica is still top of the group beating out PSG if I recalled correctly and currently on course to win the League title in Portugal, right? 

Of course we can't compete. We'll never be able to pay 10M£ of salary to a player, if we would, we had a squad like yours and we were fighting for the 3rd Champions, like you. 

Those 200M are worth to get some decent players and a couple more gems, that we'll use for another 5 or 6 months untill another Liverpool or Real Madrid comes and get them...it's a sad cicle. 

That's not what Benfica fans wants, but that's how modern football works. We have goals and ambitions as well. 

Losing a crucial player in the middle of the season is as rough as it would be for you. 

 

6 minutes ago, Aguia_SLB said:

Of course we can't compete. We'll never be able to pay 10M£ of salary to a player, if we would, we had a squad like yours and we were fighting for the 3rd Champions, like you. 

Those 200M are worth to get some decent players and a couple more gems, that we'll use for another 5 or 6 months untill another Liverpool or Real Madrid comes and get them...it's a sad cicle. 

That's not what Benfica fans wants, but that's how modern football works. We have goals and ambitions as well. 

Losing a crucial player in the middle of the season is as rough as it would be for you. 

 

I agree but the influx of cash isn't just about having a rich owner. It's the TV deals that Portugal and a majority of the world missed out on. The PL is only as gigantic as it is because some businessmen saw it's potential and marketed it globally first. 

It is what it is and that 200M revenue can be used to find more Enzos/Nunezs' and upgrade your squad. I mean, it could be worse, like what happened with Juve

14 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Where this holds no credence is this narrative that Chelsea have exploited a "loophole " as if we have done something underhanded to gain an advantage.  We haven't.  There is no loophole, no rinky dink. Its the current ruling in place and until that ruling changes it is available to all.

So our peers, the Fenway group, Glazers, Kroenke,  and the nation states od Etihad and St James  go do the same.

These massive entities have the same financial muscle as we have. If they thought we'd run aground the smug fckers would keep it to themselves.  They bleating not because we're ruining football, not because we're doing something illegal, but the reality is the clown they were all mocking as knowing nothing about football has actually studied the rules and pitched his business model to maximum benefit. 

Scattergun that Carragher you feeble minded cretin.

True. We've done the deal in a way that complies with FFP rules. No loophole at all, it's f**king glorious!

Pretty funny to think we took advantage of this loophole and UEFA are now stopping others having the ability to take advantage of it only after we completed 80% of our squad rebuild. Liverpool and United's potential new owners likely fuming. 

Cheers UEFA. 

11 minutes ago, Aguia_SLB said:

Of course we can't compete. We'll never be able to pay 10M£ of salary to a player, if we would, we had a squad like yours and we were fighting for the 3rd Champions, like you. 

Those 200M are worth to get some decent players and a couple more gems, that we'll use for another 5 or 6 months untill another Liverpool or Real Madrid comes and get them...it's a sad cicle. 

That's not what Benfica fans wants, but that's how modern football works. We have goals and ambitions as well. 

Losing a crucial player in the middle of the season is as rough as it would be for you. 

 

We haven't always had loads of money you know. Our club was in dire financial difficulties for many years in the past and we nearly lost our stadium to property developers, and played in a division lower with meagre crowds.

But today it's different of course, but your club bought Enzo from another club, I imagine their fans weren't happy either.

Thanks for your post though, take care

22 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

Thankfully you said  ligue one players USUALLY or I would have given you the bakayoko example. 

When I say heart of a tiger I mean he is up for a battle and won't be easily intimidated. He is a physical player but also a technical and a tactically astute player. I will honestly be very surprised if the speed of the premiership is too much for him.

I'm honestly struggling to think of a single Argentinian player that used to be shy when it comes to being physical. Anyone that knows their temperament knows that physicality plays a huge role in their style. And you see Enzo you see automatically that mentality and cockyness, I mean you can't miss it.

Having Enzo and James, the dream is real.

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Pretty funny to think we took advantage of this loophole and UEFA are now stopping others having the ability to take advantage of it only after we completed 80% of our squad rebuild. Liverpool and United's potential new owners likely fuming. 

Cheers UEFA. 

Best part of it is that there is no loophole. It is the same deal Saul and Felix was on

1 minute ago, Deino said:

Best part of it is that there is no loophole. It is the same deal Saul and Felix was on

I read Boehly does a similar type of thing at the Dodgers and Lakers. 

3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I'm honestly struggling to think of a single Argentinian player that used to be shy when it comes to being physical. Anyone that knows their temperament knows that physicality plays a huge role in their style. And you see Enzo you see automatically that mentality and cockyness, I mean you can't miss it.

Having Enzo and James, the dream is real.

What would be better now is if Todd and Eghbali find the best sports medical team on the planet. That would be the best investment 

Including myself, there are almost 1000 people tracking his flight from Lisbon to London.

That's 1000 people who are clearly bored at work and have nothing better to do!

they can't cope

 

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9 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I'm honestly struggling to think of a single Argentinian player that used to be shy when it comes to being physical. Anyone that knows their temperament knows that physicality plays a huge role in their style. And you see Enzo you see automatically that mentality and cockyness, I mean you can't miss it.

Having Enzo and James, the dream is real.

Just watching Argentine Primera División or the Copa America and you can see the level of physicality there. sh*tehousery and leg breaking challenges go unnoticed at times from officials.