4 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Didn't he say stuff about the fans though? I know a lot of it is misrepresented, but I believe he had a go at our fans saying the club had to hand out plastic flags as a means to make atmosphere, whereas our fans (Liverpool at the time) didn't have to do as such. 

Spot on Vic.

Depressing he's still here.

Even more depressing is the mugs who hired him will make another shot appointment and the merry go round of sub standard football will continue for the foreseeable.

They really have sucked the enjoyment out of Chelsea post Abramovich.

 

The media narrative of Liverpool youth doesn't bother me. They were always gonna look for a fairytale narrative for Liverpool.

Fools gulp it down like gospel whereas any discerning observer will wonder if they haven't still just played against the rawest, inexperienced team within the league. 

Because some fools chose to believe that drivel when some of the players we have brought in from overseas at massive cost, are less equipped to play teams from this league than academy teams of the top clubs.... That's on the so called vision not the squad management team.

Where I make my decision about Poch not continuing beyond the season is that, he doesn't make effective tactical changes in-game or substitutions that add much to the team, to be fair more than a few times they have made us worse. And I know the drop off between starters and bench can be a reason but if you look at it sometimes we bring on better players off the bench but the choices and players they replace, take away from the team rather than add.

I always advocated for him as the guy that came into the turmoil after GP for stability, I think that has been achieved, regardless the team position come season end the team in itself is now stable and comfortable with the league having played a season of top level English football without getting relegated.

It's now time to look for the tactician, the guy to propel us to the next level.  

 

11 minutes ago, abister1 said:

The media narrative of Liverpool youth doesn't bother me. They were always gonna look for a fairytale narrative for Liverpool.

Fools gulp it down like gospel whereas any discerning observer will wonder if they haven't still just played against the rawest, inexperienced team within the league. 

Because some fools chose to believe that drivel when some of the players we have brought in from overseas at massive cost, are less equipped to play teams from this league than academy teams of the top clubs.... That's on the so called vision not the squad management team.

Where I make my decision about Poch not continuing beyond the season is that, he doesn't make effective tactical changes in-game or substitutions that add much to the team, to be fair more than a few times they have made us worse. And I know the drop off between starters and bench can be a reason but if you look at it sometimes we bring on better players off the bench but the choices and players they replace, take away from the team rather than add.

I always advocated for him as the guy that came into the turmoil after GP for stability, I think that has been achieved, regardless the team position come season end the team in itself is now stable and comfortable with the league having played a season of top level English football without getting relegated.

It's now time to look for the tactician, the guy to propel us to the next level.  

 

Is there any of these up and coming tacticians that would choose us?

If rumours are true and Xabi Alonso is waiting for Madrid, then Bayern, Liverpool and potentially Utd will surely be better choices for these coaches.

I wonder if Poch will survive should be we knocked out of the FA cup.

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Why were Klopp's kids so good? They knew exactly what to do as they have been developing in Liverpool to play under Klopp at some point in time. 

If we go on and kick our coach out season in season out we restart everything. Why do that with such a young squad? Let's not kneejerk like the media wants us to do and go on with this project with Poch.

Let's not evaluate this project in terms of one lost cup final. It was on balance and we could have won one of worlds best sides with our young boys. 

 

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

I think it's more to do with personality, rather than tactics or preparation. Top managers who are winners, like Jose or Conte in their prime would inspire and motivate players, and you could tell how it transferred onto players demeanor and application on the pitch. In a way, every team is a copy of its manager. This one is soft and has no belief in itself.

We had enough quality last night to win the final against seriously weakened Liverpool team. But we didn't have the confidence the winners do, because of who's in charge. I'm sure the players like Poch on a personal level but he doesn't command their respect. 

Agree however conte n mou will laugh at Boehly if Boehly say that our starting st this season will be Jackson and they will think that you are crazy if mudryk and madueke are your two main guy off the bench

 

 

Edited February 26, 20242 yr by Bob stark

15 minutes ago, evissy said:

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Why were Klopp's kids so good? They knew exactly what to do as they have been developing in Liverpool to play under Klopp at some point in time. 

If we go on and kick our coach out season in season out we restart everything. Why do that with such a young squad? Let's not kneejerk like the media wants us to do and go on with this project with Poch.

Let's not evaluate this project in terms of one lost cup final. It was on balance and we could have won one of worlds best sides with our young boys. 

 

I agree this was a team in every sense of the way even the young players knew what and how to play. We are literally in the first metre of our 100m race and all though I am fuming sacking him will just reset us all over again. 
Hes not the not long term solution but let him finish his contract and get someone else in who will be available by then.

Edited February 26, 20242 yr by El regreso

21 minutes ago, evissy said:

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Why were Klopp's kids so good? They knew exactly what to do as they have been developing in Liverpool to play under Klopp at some point in time. 

If we go on and kick our coach out season in season out we restart everything. Why do that with such a young squad? Let's not kneejerk like the media wants us to do and go on with this project with Poch.

Let's not evaluate this project in terms of one lost cup final. It was on balance and we could have won one of worlds best sides with our young boys. 

 

He's a sh*t manager. 

What has he ever achieved in football bar winning a league that is literally a 1 horse league. 

It's not a project watching him make sh*t subs, sh*t tactics, sh*te results and lacks any sort of passion on the touchline.

But yeah let's stick with a busted flush because Liverpool done it with a excellent coach which Poch has and never will be.

Honestly some of our fans are warped. 

 

Edited February 26, 20242 yr by Chelsbear

5 minutes ago, El regreso said:

I agree this was a team in every sense of the way even the young players knew what and how to play. We are literally in the first metre of our 100m race and all though I am fuming sacking him will just reset us all over again. 
Hes not the not long term solution but let him finish his contract and get someone else in who will be available by then.

what happens when the next manager cant get these players playing? This is the 4th in under two seasons. The team, then manager, the board, are all to blame but no one is pointing the fingers at us fans. 

Things to remember. 

We are not entitled to any success, regardless of the money spent. 

We are no longer in the Abramovich era. Era's always come to an end. United are still off the pace ten years after SAF left. Liverpool are going to struggle to replace Klopp. 

It is sad to see adults and young folk trashing a club they're supposedly supporters of. Teams are not just made on the pitch but in the stands as well. I'd be happy to see millions of fair weather fans desert the club and support the next big thing because it would mean a better atmosphere on match days among the home crowd. Interesting to see the difference between away fans getting behind this team and the fair-weather hyper critical slobs who couldn't make a subs bench in amateur football. 

Sack poch now and the same level of vitriol will be directed at the new manager and in 12 months time, as it was at Tuchel, Potter, Lampard and now Pochetino and just about every manager who has ever walked through the door, we'll be where we were at the start of this season. Slow handclap for the cognitively challenged supporters who cant see past their own ego.

Seeing yesterdays and todays comments from "fans" is more disappointing than yesterday's result. 

 

Make no mistake, we could have won the game in the 90 minutes had we been clinical enough in front of goal. Gallagher missed some easy chances.

I was very disappointed with Pochettino's approach to extra time. Instead of saving the game and trying to get to penalties, we should have been confident enough to take the game on and win it then and there.

The narrative around Liverpool's youth is overstated. Yes, they had injuries and were missing a chunk of their usual starters but I was reading somewhere that we still had the younger line up by average age.

In saying all of this, I think pulling the plug on Pochettino now would be a calamity at this point. Too many are quick to rip up everything and start from scratch again. I've watched enough of this season to see plenty of potential, but the inconsistency has been our biggest issue.

11 hours ago, Chelsbear said:

Hate him, least FSW won something. I'd have him over this joker 

FSW is a vile man who did nothing but disrespect the club and its fans.

I couldn't give a sh*t if he won us the Europa League. His treatment of our captain and club legend said it all for me.

At the end of the day, this is just an very expensive team assembled mostly average and young players, based on some flawed recruitment and team building model ( may have worked in Baseball but WTF  I care). Manager is not that great, but when you replacing the mighty G Potter that almost dragged us into relegation battle, you really don't have to be great to get the job. If we should have won the game, we would have won it, so there's zero consolation or positives out of this. The so called ' young players will learn from this gain' is just rubbish, they just lose bit of confidence of what's left in them. How many of the Arsenal youth progressed after losing those finals towards the end of Wenger era, or what have they gained or learnt from getting  a 2:8? The ugly Neville sister was right, we bottled it when we should have put everything on the line and beat the Liverpool B team. Despite our problems, that's still a team of 300M+ on the field, and we were afraid of some Liverpool youth players and not going for it.

I'm not asking for Poch to be sacked, it's pointless at this stage and we probably can't afford it anyway 🤔 He will go before the next season, so he probably did his contactless farewell handshake with the boss yesterday

I had no expectations yesterday and I still feel pretty crappy. 

Sick to death of losing cup finals, this group are a bunch of losers and it's depressing seeing this horrendous downfall. 

32 minutes ago, Jezz said:

The narrative around Liverpool's youth is overstated. Yes, they had injuries and were missing a chunk of their usual starters but I was reading somewhere that we still had the younger line up by average age.

I didn't believe it either, so I did the work this morning.

At the start of the game, Liverpool's average age was 25.8. It went up to 26.3 when Gomez came on for Gravenberch after 28 miniutes. Then down to 26.1 when Clark came on for Bradley after 72 minutes. The triple sub (Tsimikas, McConnell, Danns) on 87 minutes took it down to 24.8, and then finally down to 24.5 for the 6th and final sub (Quansah) in the 106th minute. 

Our average age at the start was 23.9. When Nkunku came on for Sterling in the 67th minute it went down to 23.6. The Mudryk sub on 90 minutes took it up marginally, but it was still 23.6 to one decimal. Then we finished the game on 23.2 when Trev came on for Chilwell in 113th minute. 

So as usual it is complete bloody bollocks from the media and the Twitter crowd. Honestly you have to check absolutely everything these days, and fool you if you take any of these media people, journalists and Twitter muppets at face value. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I had no expectations yesterday and I still feel pretty crappy. 

Sick to death of losing cup finals, this group are a bunch of losers and it's depressing seeing this horrendous downfall. 

I'm thinking of this one in the same vein as our unexpected 1993/94 FA Cup Final appearance (4-0 defeat vs Man United). Similar parallels in that we were taking on the league leaders with a team mired in mid table. 

As a club, we kicked on significantly after that, with the cup final defeat serving as the launch pad. I hope we do the same with this team.

They've had a taste of it now ... hopefully that will feed the hunger to want more, and a better outcome next time.

I'm proud of this young team for making a cup final in their first season of playing together. Supporters of Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Aston Villa, Newcastle, (Brighton :-) ) would have loved to be at Wembley yesterday, but they weren't ... and we were !

The media narrative is what it is. Don't buy into it. Liverpool for some reason in England have a soft spot in the media. I don't get it. It is like Mother Theresa versus the devil. 

Even though we are losing games and it is dire I like what we are doing as a club. We are doing something that nobody has done before. If we just keep on grinding and developing while losing third of our matches at some point it is hopefully quarter, then fifth and at some point we are back at the top spots.

Kneejerking with coaches and changing the project is reacting to media. Don't do it. Chelsea fans will be Chelsea fans and I think our fanbase is growing over the years which is mandatory as well. 

Let's enjoy the parts that are enjoyable of the football and not 'fire everyone' after a loss. We will lose so many games before there is the core in place. That core is usually 25-28 year old experienced players. 

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'm thinking of this one in the same vein as our unexpected 1993/94 FA Cup Final appearance (4-0 defeat vs Man United). Similar parallels in that we were taking on the league leaders with a team mired in mid table. 

As a club, we kicked on significantly after that, with the cup final defeat serving as the launch pad. I hope we do the same with this team.

They've had a taste of it now ... hopefully that will feed the hunger to want more, and a better outcome next time.

I'm proud of this young team for making a cup final in their first season of playing together. Supporters of Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Aston Villa, Newcastle, (Brighton :-) ) would have loved to be at Wembley yesterday, but they weren't ... and we were !

I'm just sick of losing finals SF, 6 finals bottled in a row, it's unheard of surely? It's got to a point now where I would rather just not reach a final because we know this lot will flap and sh*t their pants. 

It's always a much worse feeling to lose like that than it is to get knocked out early stages. 

You know me, I'm not going to completely jump on Pochettino's back for this one. But the reality is we couldn't have had a better opportunity to win it than yesterday and we still f**ked it up. The way we went about it in ET just didn't sit right with me at all, one team wanted to win it, the other wanted to play it safe. 

5 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I'm just sick of losing finals SF, 6 finals bottled in a row, it's unheard of surely? It's got to a point now where I would rather just not reach a final because we know this lot will flap and sh*t their pants. 

It's always a much worse feeling to lose like that than it is to get knocked out early stages. 

You know me, I'm not going to completely jump on Pochettino's back for this one. But the reality is we couldn't have had a better opportunity to win it than yesterday and we still f**ked it up. The way we went about it in ET just didn't sit right with me at all, one team wanted to win it, the other wanted to play it safe. 

First team to lose 6 in a row.

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned in the match-day thread but we are still giving away very stupid free kicks in dangerous areas. These are frees that are usually when someone is running from goal or causing no real danger.

We had at least 6 of which Conor committed 2, one from which Liverpool scored their disallowed. Liverpool had 1 in which Diaz just pushed into the back of Chilwell for no reason on the byline.

You can guarantee that Klopp would have been fuming at this especially if we’d have scored but week in week out we are doing it.
Surely Poch should be trying to instil a  bit of discipline in the squad at this stage.

Atm I’m finding it hard to see what the manager is adding to our squad. 

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

First team to lose 6 in a row.

6 finals in 5(?) years is still pretty good. A lot of teams would love to have the opportunity. 3 of these finals we lost to Liverpool, 2 on penalties. I think Arsenal and Leicester defeats we're a lot worse than losing to a top Liverpool side.

1 minute ago, Victor90 said:

I'm just sick of losing finals SF, 6 finals bottled in a row, it's unheard of surely? It's got to a point now where I would rather just not reach a final because we know this lot will flap and sh*t their pants. 

It's always a much worse feeling to lose like that than it is to get knocked out early stages. 

You know me, I'm not going to completely jump on Pochettino's back for this one. But the reality is we couldn't have had a better opportunity to win it than yesterday and we still f**ked it up. The way we went about it in ET just didn't sit right with me at all, one team wanted to win it, the other wanted to play it safe. 

One team is 11th in the league with a manager who has been here for 6 months, and the other has been on an upward cycle for 7 years under the same manager, which is a whole different culture of success and continuity. They also had an experienced core in their side yesterday for the whole game, which does make a huge difference. Younger players will tire more as their bodies aren't mature. Think of Andy Murray in tennis ... he used to retire injured all the time when he was young, suffered all sorts of cramping issues, and it was only when he did the fitness work over a couple of years and fully matured into his adult body that he came out the other side with the endurance levels to match his ability.

Timing is everything in sport. As a club we just need time and as fans we need patience ! 

If you look for the positive things in our performances, they are there .. it is just that people choose to focus on what doesn't work (yet) rather than what does. Human nature I guess ... bad news sells etc etc.

Klopp's first season ... finished 8th in the PL and lost in the final of the league cup ... should they have sacked him ?

As its stands, Poch may well match that, despite the inexperience of his squad and the horrendous season long injury list ... granted some work to do to move from 11th to 8th, but not inconceivable that we have that in our locker. United have lost Hojlund to injury (and immediately lost at home), West Ham and Newcastle are going backwards at a rate of knots, and Brighton will probably now be distracted by Europe fixtures. Its definitely doable ... 

This is going to he another day of disappointment like the day after Wolves where I was refreshing Twitter all day hoping he'd been sacked, only this time there's no "maybe the owners want to give him the cup final" excuse, we did that and we suffered one of the most embarrassing cup final losses in our history.

We'll probably beat Leeds and the know nothing pundits will start claiming that "maybe Pochettino has turned a corner"

 

They won't sack him mid-season. There's no point refreshing anything.

9 minutes ago, evissy said:

6 finals in 5(?) years is still pretty good. A lot of teams would love to have the opportunity. 3 of these finals we lost to Liverpool, 2 on penalties. I think Arsenal and Leicester defeats we're a lot worse than losing to a top Liverpool side.

Means absolutely nothing if you don't win it though. Its embarrassing.