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Chelsea v Forest (PL) Sat 2nd Sep 2023 15:00 GMT

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Probably the most embarrassing project in world football. 

£1b spent to completely change an entire squad, a squad which had won the champions league and finished 3rd within the last 12 months, and they have bought a load of kids that maybe can get us challenging again in about 5 years. 

If you complain then your ungrateful. 

Anyway we are stuck with this now, so bearing in mind this is a youth team, with 5 or 6 seniors, then I think expectations need to be seriously lowered. 

Team was wrong, as it has been for 3 games, awful start for Pochettino. Not really sure how he wants us to play. 

So much to be pissed off about with chelsea at the moment. 

With the squad we have, I'm expecting a rough couple of years while these players grow. Hopefully not too much damage is done in the meantime.

1 minute ago, Victor90 said:

Of course, I don't deny that. 

I think this process is going to take time. My biggest criticism of Poch right now though is the back 3, it needs to go ASAP. It's just making us worse at this point. We had a good pre-season with the way we were playing, only to revert to a back 3 again? Why? This season is about developing and setting a pattern of play, we don't need to be playing with 3 defenders.

 

Very frustrating I agree, quite a few on here who have that attitude, you won't hear it from me though. 

I'm disappointed but I still think we can have a good season, we just need more time. 

I think you're right Victor - a lot of these players hardly know each other - we've got to hope it gets better

😬😬

Another game where we struggle to score. Sterling got the ball on the rw in good position many2 times but we need more box threat. 

Once your opp camp in their own box, the standard gameplan is to bring a st aka box threat. 

So yeah as I posted a million times already box threat. 😬😬😬

Just now, big blue said:

Probably the most embarrassing project in world football. 

£1b spent to completely change an entire squad, a squad which had won the champions league and finished 3rd within the last 12 months, and they have bought a load of kids that maybe can get us challenging again in about 5 years. 

If you complain then your ungrateful. 

Anyway we are stuck with this now, so bearing in mind this is a youth team, with 5 or 6 seniors, then I think expectations need to be seriously lowered. 

Team was wrong, as it has been for 3 games, awful start for Pochettino. Not really sure how he wants us to play. 

So much to be pissed off about with chelsea at the moment. 

With the squad we have, I'm expecting a rough couple of years while these players grow. Hopefully not too much damage is done in the meantime.

For once I am actually happy to have an international break. 

Poch needs to spend the next 2 weeks working out his best team and installing new tactics. I don't think he has been helped at all by the crazy transfer window but he also has to look at the way the team is set up in games like this.

It will take time my arse!!  This team is going no place  except the bottom 5. Pochettino is all talk but same as Potter plays cowardly football he was found out at PSG There is no Harry Kane or Mbappe to bail him out at the bridge. Biggest problem for us is the total waste of money spent on  at best mid table players  other teams are laughing at the prices we have paid. 

2 minutes ago, Bebe1980 said:

I think you're right Victor - a lot of these players hardly know each other - we've got to hope it gets better

Expecting things to gel right away was unrealistic to begin with. 

But I do feel that we're playing way too safe. 

In regards to the "rot" that we've had at the club. We finished 10th under Mourinho in his return and then 5th again with Conte in his second season. Both times we won the league the season before. That doesn't happen to a genuine title challenger. We should have got stronger after a league win, not weaker. It makes no sense. Since Conte we've stagnated as a club. Winning that CL was the sticking plaster. The new owners have come in and bought relatively well, but they've also made mistakes. At the end of the day it will take a lot more patience and time for us to be a cohesive team. Heck, maybe we are surprised post international break and things fall into place. The signs are there of a team that can play well and get results, but they need way more gelling than is there at the moment. So much money has been spent that we expect way more. Maybe the expectations are too high, too soon.  

4 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Of course, I don't deny that. 

I think this process is going to take time. My biggest criticism of Poch right now though is the back 3, it needs to go ASAP. It's just making us worse at this point. We had a good pre-season with the way we were playing, only to revert to a back 3 again? Why? This season is about developing and setting a pattern of play, we don't need to be playing with 3 defenders.

 

Very frustrating I agree, quite a few on here who have that attitude, you won't hear it from me though. 

I'm disappointed but I still think we can have a good season, we just need more time. 

Agree on the back 3. I could understand it against Liverpool but not in the games since. Especially at home it is a very defensive approach.

6 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

points deduction for what?

We're still under investigation for financial irregularities, the same thing we picked up a heavy fine for by UEFA. We shouldn't just assume the same will happen once the Premier League are done with their investigating. It's not like with City where it could go on for years, they claim they are innocent, we already admitted to guilt and actually told on ourselves by going to UEFA directly.

1 minute ago, Blue72 said:

It will take time my arse!!  This team is going no place  except the bottom 5. Pochettino is all talk but same as Potter plays cowardly football he was found out at PSG There is no Harry Kane or Mbappe to bail him out at the bridge. Biggest problem for us is the total waste of money spent on  at best mid table players  other teams are laughing at the prices we have paid. 

Harry Kane bail him out? Nobody knew who Harry Kane was until Poch came along, that's why we brought him in. He's good at developing players. I'm frustrated with the lineup but it's still early days mate, give over. 

There Should Be No Way That You Ever Set Up A Team This Defensive To Start The Season With What We've Spent

Why Not Stick To What Was Working In Pre Season And Ride With That, Changing To This Defensive Minded sh*t That Helps No-One In Our Squad Is Idiotic, All 5 Of Our Performances Have Been sh*t Bar A 40 Minute Period Against Liverpool, But There's No Way We Should Be Struggling Against West Ham, Forest, Wimbledon And For Large Parts Luton, Don't Think It's Fully Down To Poch And His Tactics But I Put 80% Down To Him And Tactics

10 minutes ago, Womble said:

It's my birthday today...im 56...I've been supporting Chelsea for 50yrs now and all I wished for when I blew the candles 🕯 out on my cake 🎂 was...."I want my old Chelsea back"....💙

Happy Birthday! Now that is cause for celebration today!

1 minute ago, enigma said:

In regards to the "rot" that we've had at the club. We finished 10th under Mourinho in his return and then 5th again with Conte in his second season. Both times we won the league the season before. That doesn't happen to a genuine title challenger. We should have got stronger after a league win, not weaker. It makes no sense. Since Conte we've stagnated as a club. Winning that CL was the sticking plaster. The new owners have come in and bought relatively well, but they've also made mistakes. At the end of the day it will take a lot more patience and time for us to be a cohesive team. Heck, maybe we are surprised post international break and things fall into place. The signs are there of a team that can play well and get results, but they need way more gelling than is there at the moment. So much money has been spent that we expect way more. Maybe the expectations are too high, too soon.  

Bought relatively well? We spent 1 billion on players and none of them can actually shoot. We have no one who can take a decent free kick. We have no one to take corner kicks. All we have is a bunch of kids that can run fast but that is useless when you play against a team parking the bus. I see very little actual footballing ability from most of them except from Enzo, who has proven to be an excellent passer.

5 minutes ago, forbzy said:

For once I am actually happy to have an international break. 

Poch needs to spend the next 2 weeks working out his best team and installing new tactics. I don't think he has been helped at all by the crazy transfer window but he also has to look at the way the team is set up in games like this.

Nah, tactic is not the problem. 

10 minutes ago, enigma said:

In regards to the "rot" that we've had at the club. We finished 10th under Mourinho in his return and then 5th again with Conte in his second season. Both times we won the league the season before. That doesn't happen to a genuine title challenger. We should have got stronger after a league win, not weaker. It makes no sense. Since Conte we've stagnated as a club. Winning that CL was the sticking plaster. The new owners have come in and bought relatively well, but they've also made mistakes. At the end of the day it will take a lot more patience and time for us to be a cohesive team. Heck, maybe we are surprised post international break and things fall into place. The signs are there of a team that can play well and get results, but they need way more gelling than is there at the moment. So much money has been spent that we expect way more. Maybe the expectations are too high, too soon.  

They haven't bought well though. Buying well would be surrounding young players with experienced players that know what it takes to compete at the top. They f**ked up massively, don't understand the sport they are involved in and genuninely thought we could compete at this level with players with less than 100 games to their name. We just spent £40m+5m in add ons on a player that has played 44 career games, most of them being from the bench. I'm fed up with so many people pretending or thinking this is completely normal, it's not. If it was, then everybody else would be doing it. You can't fill a team up with a bunch of kids and win games in the Premier League, it's impossible.

Edited by Scott Harris

2 minutes ago, forbzy said:

For once I am actually happy to have an international break. 

Poch needs to spend the next 2 weeks working out his best team and installing new tactics. I don't think he has been helped at all by the crazy transfer window but he also has to look at the way the team is set up in games like this.

I was begging for the international breaks too last season.

I just think the while thing is contradiction, we are under immense pressure to win now because we spent so much money, but the players we bought, are clearly not ready to win now. 

Granted we have some injuries, although probably only Nkunku and James missing that would be guaranteed to start.

Hopefully now the window has finished Poch can gets us playing some better football, personally I think we should've bought a striker though.

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

They haven't bought well though. Buying well would be surrounding young players with experienced players that know what it takes to compete at the top. They f**ked up massively, don't understand the sport they are involved in and genuninely thought we could compete at this level with players with less than 100 games to their name. We just spent £40m+5m in add ons on a player that has played 44 career games, more of them being from the bench. I'm fed up with so many people pretending or thinking this is completely normal, it's not. If it was, then everybody else would be doing it. You can't fill a team up with a bunch of kids and win games in the Premier League, it's impossible.

And yet the expectations from many on here is that we should be winning.  

The situation is clear.  The club were stagnating for years.

The new owners have come in and are trying something new. There are huge risks to the new method.

Whatever fans want/demand in terms of instant success is unrealistic. 

So do we keep complaining and turning the place toxic like we did last season (which didn't go well)...or get behind the team and process?

4 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

They haven't bought well though. Buying well would be surrounding young players with experienced players that know what it takes to compete at the top. They f**ked up massively, don't understand the sport they are involved in and genuninely thought we could compete at this level with players with less than 100 games to their name. We just spent £40m+5m in add ons on a player that has played 44 career games, most of them being from the bench. I'm fed up with so many people pretending or thinking this is completely normal, it's not. If it was, then everybody else would be doing it. You can't fill a team up with a bunch of kids and win games in the Premier League, it's impossible.

May I know who should we sign? Our biggest need right now is an attacker that are ready to play (Nkunku) 

Good luck signing this kind of player. 

To some extent there was a "rot" that had set in in the last five years of Roman. In my opinion it came from Marina being given way to much power (like hiring Scott McLachlan to be transfer guru) but we were at the very least still competing for trophies and also winning on occasion. There was also an aura that Chelsea FC was a big f**king club and a club that you could never rule out of a title race, we were in it until December 2021 when we were hit with a tragic injury crisis for example.

But that doesn't fly as an excuse for whatever the hell Boehly and the owners have done. They have simply eradicated the past, wheter it was good or bad. Whats wrong with getting rid of the bad and keeping the good? Keep the mentality that built this club for almost 3 decades for example, keep that winning mentality instead of hiring Mr "Let's aspire to be Arsenal" which was just a grave insult to any supporter.

No one fears us anymore. Everyone will go to Stamford Bridge and think that they very well may win that game. Even AFC Wimbledon from League Two did that and Forest again today of course.

3/4 opening games at home to Luton, Forest and Liverpool. 1 win in 4 with two losses.
And yes, you can say "it's only been five games" or whatever. But it's not been 5 games. This is simply a new season. We must be at game 50 or 60 in the Boehly era and we've been laughable and a joke.

 

Caught that Farrar Wiliams pundit  on football focus, said Chelsea played some good stuff in the first half yet missed chances. Forest in the second decided to change it and open up catching Chelsea napping. 

Frustrating hoping it is about injuries and a new team gelling rather than something deeper also wonder about the back three too.

 

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