Where is Roman's return on investment with Torres? He is a business man, the champions league will have been a long time ago for him now.

Torres is a big cost and he'll know there's a lot more out there for a lot cheaper.

Yeah, it's funny he scores the odd jammy goal and "works hard" for a few matches and suddenly "he is back"; "give him another season" etc  

 

He still hasn't scored a goal in the EPL since scoring in a 8-0 game against Aston Villa in December, that's 754 minutes in the Premier League without a goal.

If he is still anywhere near the squad next year when we have Lukaku + Ba and another striker, than we deserve a striker of Torres's caliber who even in his best season at CFC can't get into double digits in the League

 

Freeze him out like Malouda if he doesn't want to go to Anzhi - on current form he is the striker version of Samba and a team of Anzhi's caliber might be a bit too good for him. 

Edited April 8, 201313 yr by Las7

Hold onto your knickers, nobody is claiming hes back. Hes had a couple of good performances that has helped us win games and some fans have merely acknowledged this. 

Apologies I misread your comment at first, I didn't mean to appear to be quibbling over £10m in transfer fees. 

No thats Wengers job 

Beautifully put.

Remy signed for QPR during the last window, he has 5 goals in 7 games (I think) and he joined a team struggling at the foot of the table, and he scored one of the goals of the season yesterday, and he cost £8m (I think).

And all the world of football stopped when they heard Loic Remy is going to QPR. It was exactly the same with Torres who came here with no baggage at all. No big fee, no Drogba no ugly history from a rival club.

Folks, we've said all there is to say about Torres. We all know he is a misfit and better gone can't we just be glad he might give us something this season. Lets be supportive towards the man crushed with pressure.

I have a feeling there is a goal like the Barca goal in him this season. Maybe against City, maybe in the Europa.

And all the world of football stopped when they heard Loic Remy is going to QPR. It was exactly the same with Torres who came here with no baggage at all. No big fee, no Drogba no ugly history from a rival club.

 

Now that sounds awfully like excuses #643, #859 and #5 all rolled into one.

 

I'm glad you think he's better gone evissy, because some on here want him to stay another year.

 

Roman, if you're reading, they're talking tripe.

Beautifully put.

 

Remy signed for QPR during the last window, he has 5 goals in 7 games (I think) and he joined a team struggling at the foot of the table, and he scored one of the goals of the season yesterday, and he cost £8m (I think).

 

Now now now, what does this have to do with Torres? Quite a lot, when you bear in mind the fangirling we are having to endure on this thread from the usual suspects regarding Torres' last game and a half for us against piss poor sides at home.

 

I mean, keep it in perspective folks. Yes, by Torres' standards he's looked half-decent in those recent run-outs but by any self-respecting centre-forward's standards .. Well .. I'll leave you to fill in the blanks.

 

Exactly. It's the futile and downright daft microanalysis of every little thing that Torres does which I can't stand:

 

What is the point in saying "Oh look, Torres put in a shift for 45 minutes", "He made some decent runs today", "He successfully passed the ball to his own teammate" ? How wonderful, the £50 million jewel of the Roman Crown actually resembled a professional footballer for a few fleeting moments.

 

How some still maintain hope of a Torres revival after 4 utterly incompetent consecutive seasons, I do not know.

Edited April 8, 201313 yr by Celery1989

Exactly. It's the futile and downright daft microanalysis of every little thing that Torres does which I can't stand:

 

What is the point in saying "Oh look, Torres put in a shift for 45 minutes", "He made some decent runs today", "He successfully passed the ball to his own teammate" ? How wonderful, the £50 million jewel of the Roman Crown actually resembled a professional footballer for a few fleeting moments.

 

How some still maintain hope of a Torres revival after 4 utterly incompetent consecutive seasons, I do not know.

Your right, what is the point in handing out praise when it is due when we can just slag him off 24/7?

 

Seriously I don't know why you and others on here get so wound up when people praise a couple of his performances. Is how he plays just irrelevant because he hasn't been what we all hoped he would be? You seem to have some crazy illusion that people are saying he is back so do you mind finding me some quotes?

Edited April 8, 201313 yr by Bluehatter

If Torres scored 4 against City and we cruise to final people would probably go "good from Torres but one game doesn't change the fact that he is a flop" which is true but just tells how he's never even had the chance to make it, so to say.

Better for us and the man to find a way out.

Exactly. It's the futile and downright daft microanalysis of every little thing that Torres does which I can't stand:

 

What is the point in saying "Oh look, Torres put in a shift for 45 minutes", "He made some decent runs today", "He successfully passed the ball to his own teammate" ? How wonderful, the £50 million jewel of the Roman Crown actually resembled a professional footballer for a few fleeting moments.

 

How some still maintain hope of a Torres revival after 4 utterly incompetent consecutive seasons, I do not know.

 

Once again I would have to ask- if you 'can't stand it' then why waste your time coming into a Torres thread? What are you expecting to see out of interest? I really don't understand why people pop into a thread to say how they find it annoying and then proceed to pop back in a few hours later to repeat themselves- just don't bother entering the thread and it will be problem solved.

 

With regards to your points made I would also, once again, have to ask who is claiming he is 'back' ? This seems to be a common trend in here that I find amusing. He has a couple of decent games, a few people talk about it and the you get a backlash of people throwing their toys out the pram about a fictional scenario where by some army of Torres fanatics are suddenly claiming he is 'back' and declaring how he is the best striker in the world and going to lead us all to glory and in the mean time deserves a pay rise to reward him. It's not actually happening though.

 

 At most you get a small minority who have stated that if he were to play well and score goals untill the end of the season they would not be against him staying for another year. I personally disagree with that opinion myself but it is hardly worthy of the complete hyperbole reaction to anyone who dares do anything other than just repeat themselves over and over again about how much they hate Torres.

 

Finally I would also query the fact you say Torres has been 'utterly incompetent' for 4 years. He may have not reproduced the form of his first season for Liverpool and certainly had a piss poor world cup but in his final full season for Liverpool (this would be the first of the 4 years you mention) he scored 22 goals in 32 appearances (including 18 Premiership goals). That is not utterly incompetent in my opinion. He even scored 9 in 26 in the first half of the 2010/2011 season which is not exactly terrible either.

He is only 23 appearances short of having made the same number of appearances for us as he did for Liverpool.

 

 

His time at Liverpool he scored 81 goals in 142 appearances, roughly 1 goal every 1.8 games.

 

At Chelsea he has scored 31 goals in 119 appearances, roughly 1 goal every 3.8 games.

 

 

Whichever way you dress it up his strike rate for us hasn't been good enough, however if he plays well he still deserves praise like any other player irrespective of his transfer fee. 

The forward we should have brought instead of Torres scored a stunning goal against Manchester United last night.

Who is to say he would of produced for us, its all Ifs and whats, let it pass now..

Who is to say he would of produced for us, its all Ifs and whats, let it pass now..

 

 

If you don't believe Aguero would have produced more than Torres over the past two years then you are madder than I thought.

 

It wouldn't be hard. We probably would have got more out of Bobby Zamora.

I've always thought Aguero was a bit overrated if you ask me.

I've always thought Aguero was a bit overrated if you ask me.

Well, he hasn't been as influential as last season for Citeh but then he has had injury problems this time round. He has had three spells out including a badly torn hamstring and then a month out following his knee injury against us.

I like him alot. Still gutted we didn't grab him when we had the chance. He is a big game player. His movement, touch and work rate are top draw, (miles ahead of Torres), but I think playing him as a lone striker probably wouldn't work for us. Alongside Ba or Lukaku however, that would be a different story.

Edited April 9, 201313 yr by just

But then if you play two strikers you have to push Mata out wide or drop him and he isnt as effective out wide than he is throught he middle.

But then if you play two strikers you have to push Mata out wide or drop him and he isnt as effective out wide than he is throught he middle.

Mata is brilliant in the middle and great in the wing.

But then if you play two strikers you have to push Mata out wide or drop him and he isnt as effective out wide than he is throught he middle.

Some of his best performances came from Rw. It allows him to be cut inside onto his left. I honestly think Oscar should be Central, with Mata wide anyways. If I remember correctly, the best of his stastisics came from the right, not centrally.

Some people won't be happy even when he does play well. 

Where is Roman's return on investment with Torres? He is a business man, the champions league will have been a long time ago for him now.

Torres is a big cost and he'll know there's a lot more out there for a lot cheaper.

 

I was wondering similar myself actually after watching the new adidas promotions for the 2013/14 kit... I can hardly be the only one to notice the prominence of Torres and the absence of Lampard in it, and while one can read into that what they want, it more made me ponder the marketability and brand value that Torres actually is to RA and the club.

 

Now, Torres is not as impressive a figure as he once was, but he is still and incredibly popular player with huge appeal internationally as well. He's a clean-cut, good looking, well mannered striker that has one two European championships and the world cup scoring in all competetions and 2 finals... he is an internationally well known figure with huge appeal at a time when Chelsea are looking to drive into foreign markets to promote the brand and is young enough still to spearhead that.

 

A few years back he sold more shirts than anyone else in the country, possibly the world, and while Chelsea refused to comment in the last survey on who sells the most shirts now, at the last check it was still Torres. The first year he arrived he sold more shirts in the last half of that season than drogba or lampard (the next two most popular) did in the entire season.

 

Chelsea are now the 4th biggest seller of shirts in the world (after united, Barcelona and real) pushing coming on for a billion units a year and growing. If Torres maintained his popular status and continued to sell like that, selling maybe, 10 to 15% of the shirts (just guessing outloud here) then at 55 quid a pop your actually getting a good chunk of those wages back from him. Through in other merchandise sales and the fact that his popularity makes him a walking talking billboard for the club than I don't know that he doesn't start to seem like a reasonable person to keep around.

 

I dunno, i'm just thinking off my head here and I am no football economics expert by any means.

 

As a player investment... obviously very poor... as a brand investment... he's actually pretty damn good if you ask me.

 

Anyway, feel free to tell me what a crock of sh*te i'm talking... just food for thought for yall!

hachejay, thats all well and good, but lets take a step back and see what your logic is based on... would roman really want a dead weight of a player purely for brand awareness, who offers nothing in actual competitive matches, and what money his ads do make barely (if at even close) recoup his huge £175,000 wages?

 a billion units a year and growing.

 

Thats not even close. that would mean in in 7 of the worlds population and an minimum turnover of 40 billion pounds a year

Edited April 9, 201313 yr by boom

hachejay, thats all well and good, but lets take a step back and see what your logic is based on... would roman really want a dead weight of a player purely for brand awareness, who offers nothing in actual competitive matches, and what money his ads do make barely (if at even close) recoup his huge £175,000 wages?

 

oh god no, i'm not saying i think Torres should stay or that Roman would keep for that reason... just that he has a lot more value than just as a mis-firing over-paid striker that seems to be the general consensus here. as an investment for RA i just think that there is more to the picture with torres and making such a ridiculously huge signing in the first place to simply say; "he cost a lot of money, he's been sh*t, count your losses and move on"

 

chelsea fc is not just a club anymore it's being pushed and built as a global brand and business, a practice that has been succesful in making us the 4th biggest club in the world (ok, that's another point that can be argued i admit) and in that respect (irregardless of the football) i'm just saying that i think roman will look at players in a different light than us as fans would normally.

 

ofcourse he needs to get a damn striker that can shoot straight and he wants the club to win, but there's a business side to signings that goes beyond just what the player can do on the pitch.

 

as an extreme example look at beckham and psg. he isn't exactly there to play football now is he? he's there to promote some rich oil dudes new toy. not saying torres is the same at all, just that there's always more to everything than meets the eye, especially in football, business and roman abramovich.

 

 

Thats not even close. that would mean in in 7 of the worlds population and an minimum turnover of 40 billion pounds a year

 

yeah my bad, meant million. i've been counting in thousands for some reason today and i confused myself. 2011/12 we shipped 910,000 apparently.

If Roman thought hiring FSW was a good idea, him seeing Torres score 19 this Term so far might seem like a bit of a return, a couple of trophies, and he might be well chuffed, he hasnt got the ppl on here telling him his investment sucks, they wouldnt dare...