15 minutes ago, coco said:

But even Sir Frank had off games, we just don't remember them now.

Yes but he was still very consistent, Hazard needs to be more like Lampard someone we can rely on all the time, with Hazard you can usually tell within the first 10-15 minutes of a game whether he is up for it or not.

4 hours ago, Van Butsen said:

But you're using his consistency as a reason for him not being world class.  I agree he has bad games, but so does every single player ever in history.  The Messi's, the Dinho's, the Henry's included.  And like I said, even when he has a poor game, he is still better than almost every single other player in his position certainly in this league, which to me more than constitutes his status of world class.

Is he not the best player in the best league?

Also lot of Kante goggle this season, last few games hes been superb but before than he went a long consistent run of being good.  Not great, not poor, just good.. and it still wasn't on Hazards level.

I know every player does but the best players dont disappear as often as he does.

I don't think Hazard is the best player in the league no. Sanchez is ahead of him this season for one.

And there's the issue with Hazard, it's either/or, he either plays well or doesn't. Kante is good-great 90% of the time.

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how many times have i heard that hazard looks like he is carrying an injury

Sorry bobby but there's no way you can bag hazard for being inconsistent then claim Sanchez is better, he's as inconsistent as they come.

1 hour ago, robdog said:

not sure if homie is playing or not

 

Full video 

 

 

2 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

On a Chelsea forum but I really don't think he would. I could see him being in not many people's world X1 but who knows. 

Of the top of my head I could think of quite a few others would pick if they asked to pick there 11.

Anyone Belgian would pick him, as well as some on here. If you picked some random fan from Austria or Ireland I doubt Hazard gets in ahead of Bale, Messi and Ronaldo. Nor should he. I'd even add Robben to that list. 

5 hours ago, Van Butsen said:

But you're using his consistency as a reason for him not being world class.  I agree he has bad games, but so does every single player ever in history.  The Messi's, the Dinho's, the Henry's included.  And like I said, even when he has a poor game, he is still better than almost every single other player in his position certainly in this league, which to me more than constitutes his status of world class.

Is he not the best player in the best league?

Also lot of Kante goggle this season, last few games hes been superb but before than he went a long consistent run of being good.  Not great, not poor, just good.. and it still wasn't on Hazards level.

I think he's saying Hazard CAN play like a world class player but he isn't until he does it consistently. Two seasons ago I think you could say he was consistently on that level but since then he isn't really doing himself any favors if he wants to be mentioned in that breath, which I tend to think he doesn't care about anyway. 

 

It's going to take a lot from him to wash away last season in my mind. I can't say I'll ever consider him WC after that garbage. 

1 hour ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

I know every player does but the best players dont disappear as often as he does.

I don't think Hazard is the best player in the league no. Sanchez is ahead of him this season for one.

And there's the issue with Hazard, it's either/or, he either plays well or doesn't. Kante is good-great 90% of the time.

Kante won a title with Leicester one year then looks on course to win another with Chelsea. That's consistent plus he was a massive part of Leicesters team and now Chelsea. Wasn't like a Schwarzer.

34 minutes ago, luckywerthers said:

how many times have i heard that hazard looks like he is carrying an injury

Like you say people said it against Wolves but if he was carrying a niggly injury the last game you would play him against is Wolves away in the fa cup.

3 hours ago, Katyusha said:

Every single season, we expect 5+ 'bad' games from Hazard. Not every single season, has anyone ever expected that, from Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Terry, Scholes, Thiago Silva, Pirlo, Iniesta, Kalou, truly world class players. You are not world class if you're not consistently the best or there about. If inconsistent players with loads of talent could be considered world class then Di Maria, Pogba, Cavani and Reus would be labeled 'world class', which simply isn't true. They're great players, some of the greatest, as is Hazard - but not in that upper echelon. He can still become world class though; he doesn't need to raise his output to become-so, only increase his consistency, which may just happen in the next few years.

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The problem I think with Hazard is that I don't think most of our attacking players apart from Pedro and Cesc (due to Barca connection) are on his wavelength.

He's so intricate and clever on the ball that I don't think Willian and even more so Costa can manage at times, not to mention the likes of Matic and Alonso who play on his side. Chemistry seems to be lacking at times. 

Hazard is world class, no doubt about it. Best player in the league for me. Unfortunately, at times he seems to go into games and look bored and lethargic. 

8 hours ago, Katyusha said:

Every single season, we expect 5+ 'bad' games from Hazard. Not every single season, has anyone ever expected that, from Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Terry, Scholes, Thiago Silva, Pirlo, Iniesta, Kalou, truly world class players. You are not world class if you're not consistently the best or there about. If inconsistent players with loads of talent could be considered world class then Di Maria, Pogba, Cavani and Reus would be labeled 'world class', which simply isn't true. They're great players, some of the greatest, as is Hazard - but not in that upper echelon. He can still become world class though; he doesn't need to raise his output to become-so, only increase his consistency, which may just happen in the next few years.

 I suggest you pick any one of those players and actually watch an entire season of them. I guarantee you they're going to have more then 5 bad games. Even Messi who's the best player in the world has more then 5 bad games a season.

7 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

I know every player does but the best players dont disappear as often as he does.

I don't think Hazard is the best player in the league no. Sanchez is ahead of him this season for one.

And there's the issue with Hazard, it's either/or, he either plays well or doesn't. Kante is good-great 90% of the time.

Disagree with that. Like Argo said there are very few games where Hazard is actually poor and not contributing. 

He does have games where he might not be dribbling past lots of players or scoring or assisting but still creating opportunities for his teammates by clever movement, passes and link up play.

Hazard really has more to his game then just scoring, assisting and dribbling but people don't seem to care about anything other then those three things.

 

I really feel like some people on here suffer from "the grass is always greener...". 

We're chelsea fans so we watch every game Chelsea plays that means that we also watch every game Hazard plays but there's noone here who watches all of Messi/ Ronaldo/Neymar/ Suarez/Sanchez's games. 

The more games you watch of a player the more "quiet" games you're going to see.

 

IT is on no way a grass is greener opinion. It's an opinion of a player who us aspiring to be the best but because of certain performances he can't be labelled as such. I could say you're looking at it through rose tinted glasses.

14 hours ago, pacquiao said:

Lampard is our greatest ever player because he was very consistent against big and small teams. I don't want Hazard to be like Drogba because he is a much more talented footballer then Drogba was, Hazard shouldn't sell himself short.

He was voted the greatest by the fans.  Granted you could have many polls with many answers.

This thread... LOL. 

 

Gotta love Stan Collymore having a go at Hazard and Rooney for not showing loyalty.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/590269/Stan-Collymore-Premier-League-Chelsea-Eden-Hazard-Man-United-Wayne-Rooney

 

Here's a guy who played for 10 different clubs, not once making 100 or more appearances for any of them, talking about loyalty. Ha ha.

15 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

I know every player does but the best players dont disappear as often as he does.

I don't think Hazard is the best player in the league no. Sanchez is ahead of him this season for one.

And there's the issue with Hazard, it's either/or, he either plays well or doesn't. Kante is good-great 90% of the time.

That's exactly my point.  Consistency means little if the top of your game isn't as good as the others.

Hazard, in poor games, is still better than most.
 

7 hours ago, Hazard10 said:

Disagree with that. Like Argo said there are very few games where Hazard is actually poor and not contributing. 

He does have games where he might not be dribbling past lots of players or scoring or assisting but still creating opportunities for his teammates by clever movement, passes and link up play.

Sad thing is, when he leaves (hopefully in 10 years time) and we go back to having wingers who actually are inconsistent and genuinely do disappear for long periods (ala Flo, Anelka, J.Cole) that bit of Hazard's game will be truly acknowledged and appreciated.

4 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

IT is on no way a grass is greener opinion. It's an opinion of a player who us aspiring to be the best but because of certain performances he can't be labelled as such. I could say you're looking at it through rose tinted glasses.

Which can be said about almost every player on the planet. I can assure you now Dybala is not a £100m player every match, neither is Griezmann. Infact if i want to be picky i could mention that Ronaldo's all round play is awful a lot of the time and it can be argued he is a liability in a match he doesn't score. He was also below his usual standard in the Euro's (bar a match vs Hungary) and was outperformed by Nani.

2 hours ago, Van Butsen said:

That's exactly my point.  Consistency means little if the top of your game isn't as good as the others.

Hazard, in poor games, is still better than most.
 

Probably true in some cases but not in the recent games I've mentioned especially Wolves. As far as I'm concerned he has work to do up be considered world class. In any case I'm done talking about it cause we are going around in circles. I respect your opinion so I just ask for you to do the same with mine. Let's agree to disagree.

3 hours ago, Argo said:

Sad thing is, when he leaves (hopefully in 10 years time) and we go back to having wingers who actually are inconsistent and genuinely do disappear for long periods (ala Flo, Anelka, J.Cole) that bit of Hazard's game will be truly acknowledged and appreciated.

Which can be said about almost every player on the planet. I can assure you now Dybala is not a £100m player every match, neither is Griezmann. Infact if i want to be picky i could mention that Ronaldo's all round play is awful a lot of the time and it can be argued he is a liability in a match he doesn't score. He was also below his usual standard in the Euro's (bar a match vs Hungary) and was outperformed by Nani.

So you would pick Hazard over Ronaldo?

Can Hazard be termed as world class? What does that matter? Such a pointless debate.

Guys, one question. If you went to an Arsenal forum and they were arguing among each other if Sanchez is even a very good player, you'd come back and make jokes about it, wouldn't you?

Also, I love how stats don't matter at all for certain people here (*cough* @Ernie_blue), it's like Trump calling everything he doesn't like 'fake', like it doesn't exist. It's strange how this works for some people.

1 hour ago, PythonLu said:

Guys, one question. If you went to an Arsenal forum and they were arguing among each other if Sanchez is even a very good player, you'd come back and make jokes about it, wouldn't you?

Also, I love how stats don't matter at all for certain people here (*cough* @Ernie_blue), it's like Trump calling everything he doesn't like 'fake', like it doesn't exist. It's strange how this works for some people.

Nothing to do with me, I said I don't like how stats can be manipulated to prove a point even though within that one stat there could be 20 questions. I don't like assist stats where you can play a 2yrd pass then someone takes 11 players on and he still gets the assist. Nothing wrong in that so what your saying is pointless. 

Your first point makes no sense either. What if Arsenal fans had the same debate about Ozil, everyone's entitled to there opinion. 

Anyway where was the dispute about the stats of Hazard? Sorry but it really was a pointless post. No point in moaning about Trump when it was the American people who voted him in, get on with it.

Edited February 22, 20179 yr by Ernie_blue

@Ernie_blue 02/20/2017: "[Hazard] doesn't have the drive to push himself to the top". He has won the POTY in two countries, has been named Young Player of the Year several times, has won the Ligue 1 as well as the Premier League. He is on track to win it again while any consider him the best player in the Premier League. He earns 200k a week, is very popular and does not attract bad press or unwanted attention. What else does the poor man have to do to prove himself?

7 minutes ago, PythonLu said:

@Ernie_blue 02/20/2017: "[Hazard] doesn't have the drive to push himself to the top". He has won the POTY in two countries, has been named Young Player of the Year several times, has won the Ligue 1 as well as the Premier League. He is on track to win it again while any consider him the best player in the Premier League. He earns 200k a week, is very popular and does not attract bad press or unwanted attention. What else does the poor man have to do to prove himself?

I was talking about in game stats like pass completion, dribble success etc I do dislike them.

Not sure whether you attract bad press or not makes you world class. Your another one who's bites your head off for saying Hazards not world class. It's literally like I'm saying his s*** because I think he isnt world class. Bloody hell there's very few players that are, it's not like a crime.