29 minutes ago, didierforever said:

That TURN!!! Can anyone upload a gif of that.

 

I hate social media at times, what a cheeky United fans have to claim Hazard was constantly diving. He was kicked up and down the park, I don't think there was a single challenge where he went down and wasn't fouled.

 

The irony is even worse when you consider the have Ashley Young in their team 

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Have you ever actually played football, I've been in countless games where a ref has told the captain the next fouls a booking, i can hardly remember a game where it didn't happen.

Yeah played football but I was out on the wing so would never know.

Really enjoyed that! :D

Washed Hazard getting based a few weeks ago by fans sayings they want him gone hes not good enough .....hmmmmmmmmm

1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said:

I hate social media at times, what a cheeky United fans have to claim Hazard was constantly diving. He was kicked up and down the park, I don't think there was a single challenge where he went down and wasn't fouled.

 

The irony is even worse when you consider the have Ashley Young in their team 

This is very true. People that call Hazard a diver have no idea what they're talking about and are never able to single out a challenge where he went down with no contact.

The referee must also recognize when a single opponent has become the target of fouls by multiple players. As above, upon recognizing the pattern, the referee should clearly indicate that the pattern has been observed and that further fouls against this opponent must cease. If another player commits a foul against the targeted opponent, that player must be cautioned but, in this case, the misconduct should be reported as unsporting behavior, as must any subsequent caution of any further foul against that same targeted opponent. Eventually, the team will get the message.

 

This is actually is FIFA's guidelines to refrees. Seems Oliver did well.

18 minutes ago, didierforever said:

The referee must also recognize when a single opponent has become the target of fouls by multiple players. As above, upon recognizing the pattern, the referee should clearly indicate that the pattern has been observed and that further fouls against this opponent must cease. If another player commits a foul against the targeted opponent, that player must be cautioned but, in this case, the misconduct should be reported as unsporting behavior, as must any subsequent caution of any further foul against that same targeted opponent. Eventually, the team will get the message.

 

This is actually is FIFA's guidelines to refrees. Seems Oliver did well.

Nice. This needs to go on some of the United forums.

we need to rely on him less. early in the game last night we were doing very little with the ball, but then it took hazard to take the opportunity to impose himself on the game to create the change of tide. it's a problem when costa goes missing, we rely heavily on hazard. costa's overall technical ability on the ball is relatively poor, so when hazard is off form we have nobody else to rely on to change the game, which is a worry. this is something we need to change in the summer window. 

Edited March 14, 20179 yr by enigma

Washed Hazard getting based a few weeks ago by fans sayings they want him gone hes not good enough .....hmmmmmmmmm

Needed to edit this basically

He was getting bashed a few weeks ago by some very fickle fan's who wouldn't mine if he left in the summer .....Form is temporary class permanent... Just remember that

Eden will eventually get tired of being kicked so much. Every year he is the most fouled player.  I think this was joses own personal message to eden: leave the premier league.  

That said I hope he wear Chelsea blue forever 

2 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Yeah played football but I was out on the wing so would never know.

I, you bloody wingers never get involved in the tackling....damn you white line huggers 

5 minutes ago, dkw said:

I, you bloody wingers never get involved in the tackling....damn you white line huggers 

Haha you know how it goes. Got abit of pace so stick him out on the wing.

11 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Haha you know how it goes. Got abit of pace so stick him out on the wing.

No, i really dont know how that goes as I have never ever had pace 

34 minutes ago, dkw said:

No, i really dont know how that goes as I have never ever had pace 

 midfield general?

11 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

I don't get this the ref told Man U one more and the card is coming. Surely you would have to tell all the players collectively that the next player to foul Hazard is booked, how would a team of 11 players know this info? Lol I haven't even heard of this since being a supporter for over 20 years. The ref just sent him off as he didn't book Jones and Hazard certainly made the most of it. There was alot worse fouls that went unpunished in the second half so inconsistent refs again.

The captain is the only player who is allowed to approach the ref which he did but surely the ref was just talking to Jones about his consistent fouling. 

Just read this on wagnh

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2017/3/14/14920466/ander-herrera-eden-hazard-red-card-michael-oliver-chelsea-manchester-united-fa-cup

The referee must also recognize when a single opponent has become the target of fouls by multiple players. As above, upon recognizing the pattern, the referee should clearly indicate that the pattern has been observed and that further fouls against this opponent must cease. If another player commits a foul against the targeted opponent, that player must be cautioned but, in this case, the misconduct should be reported as unsporting behavior, as must any subsequent caution of any further foul against that same targeted opponent. Eventually, the team will get the message.

This is exactly how I saw it play out last night. 

Yep posted that in the match thread - it explains clearly what the ref was doing last night.  I'll post this here as well - how two years changes things eh Jose?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/01/jose-mourinho-referee-phil-dowd-eden-hazard-chelsea-tottenham

“If people are in love with football in this country then they must be in love with Eden Hazard. But the way, match to match, he’s being punished by opponents and not protected by referees … maybe one day we won’t have Eden Hazard. It’s one, two, three, four, five, 10 aggressive fouls against him. They kick and kick and kick, and the kid resists. He’s a very honest guy in the way he plays but that’s another problem.”

6 minutes ago, big blue said:

Just read this on wagnh

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2017/3/14/14920466/ander-herrera-eden-hazard-red-card-michael-oliver-chelsea-manchester-united-fa-cup

The referee must also recognize when a single opponent has become the target of fouls by multiple players. As above, upon recognizing the pattern, the referee should clearly indicate that the pattern has been observed and that further fouls against this opponent must cease. If another player commits a foul against the targeted opponent, that player must be cautioned but, in this case, the misconduct should be reported as unsporting behavior, as must any subsequent caution of any further foul against that same targeted opponent. Eventually, the team will get the message.

This is exactly how I saw it play out last night. 

I've read that quite a few times. Jones should of been booked, the ref got that totally wrong. The ref getting that wrong lead to Herrera being booked. It was a professional foul to stop Hazard getting away, those fouls nearly all get bookings. To put a rule like this in place all the players need to know that the ref has indicated what is happening next. Say Rashford come over and gave Hazard the slightest nudge and it would never be a booking usually, it's his first foul of the match in the 40min and he gets booked, that is really harsh. He will be thinking wtf, I would personally be thinking well if I knew that was the case I wouldn't of challenged him. I have read many match reports, reviews etc and still haven't seen any mention of it. What's the point of Jones being in the conversation? I have seen many times where the captain and the player in question are both talked too for persistent fouling and you get one more chance as a player then your carded, that could quite easily of been the conversation.

Another issue is by those rules every foul on Hazard could be a booking. There was much worse fouls in the second half which could of been yellows.

Also I do think Hazard made a meal of it, could be seen as diving really. Do I really care? Not as I just want to win the FA cup but I can still have a point of view on the incident without being called an arse licker, c*** and whatever names. It's expected most people think with there hearts than heads, I'm not mentioning you. I'm just giving another point of view where I think the red card was unlucky.

Would be interesting what most people's reactions would be the other way lol

9 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

I've read that quite a few times. Jones should of been booked, the ref got that totally wrong. The ref getting that wrong lead to Herrera being booked. It was a professional foul to stop Hazard getting away, those fouls nearly all get bookings. To put a rule like this in place all the players need to know that the ref has indicated what is happening next. Say Rashford come over and gave Hazard the slightest nudge and it would never be a booking usually, it's his first foul of the match in the 40min and he gets booked, that is really harsh. He will be thinking wtf, I would personally be thinking well if I knew that was the case I wouldn't of challenged him. I have read many match reports, reviews etc and still haven't seen any mention of it. What's the point of Jones being in the conversation? I have seen many times where the captain and the player in question are both talked too for persistent fouling and you get one more chance as a player then your carded, that could quite easily of been the conversation.

Another issue is by those rules every foul on Hazard could be a booking. There was much worse fouls in the second half which could of been yellows.

Also I do think Hazard made a meal of it, could be seen as diving really. Do I really care? Not as I just want to win the FA cup but I can still have a point of view on the incident without being called an arse licker, c*** and whatever names. It's expected most people think with there hearts than heads, I'm not mentioning you. I'm just giving another point of view where I think the red card was unlucky.

Would be interesting what most people's reactions would be the other way lol

How exactly did Hazard "make a meal out of it" ? He didn't roll around, grab his leg nor ask for a yellow card. He got up almost immediately  after the challenge.

He was spinning away from Herrera and he gets clipped on the leg where he's turning on. 

You can debate whether it's a second yellow but it's always a foul. 

I think the foul before by Jones was so blatant. There was just no attempt whatsoever for the ball. Just all about shoving Hazard to the ground so Jones could take up his defensive position again. 

It was so obvious and it had been happening a number of times. Ref caught on to it.

If the situation was the same where we were fouling the opposition as many times  as Man United did and Matic/Kante,already on a yellow card, did what Herrera did i'd be absolutely fuming with them.

Already on a yellow card, teammates constantly fouling players, teammate just escaped yellow, ref 5 seconds before having a talk with the captain and then you go and try and get tight on the most skillfull player on the pitch ? 

Sorry but that's just pure stupidity from Herrera. 

Just saw a replay of a Rojo stamp on hazard after fouling him.  Should get Rojo a 3 match ban at minimum, as it's very obvious.  

3 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

 midfield general?

Centre back.....then defensive midfielder.....basically anywhere that didnt need running.

Very difficult to run in heels!  I should know!

2 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Very difficult to run in heels!  I should know!

It was my suspenders that caused the problem....

2 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

 

Also I do think Hazard made a meal of it, could be seen as diving really.

What about when he was stamped on by Rojo, did he overreact , you know roll around like he was just stamped on ? no he just put his hands up to the ref and said WTF !

If you look at the whole match and all the fouls he had to put up with, then you look at that second yellow tackle in context, then you can see why Eden bought the tackle, such a dumb tackle, the kind of dumb tackle that can swing a game. Drogba did one that could so nearly of cost us as our greatest ever night when he gave away the penalty, a stupid dumb tackle that could of been so costly if not for the best goalkeeper to ever walk the planet.

Eden Hazard gets assaulted on a weekly basis, he never complains, he just gets on with it, which reminds me of Zola, who I don't think was accused of diving, so I'm not sure why Hazard is. To suggest that he dives is wrong, he's good at buying a free kick, he knows how to position himself and he senses when a foul is coming, that's not called diving, that's called being smart, slight difference. He's an honest player and I don't think he deserves the diving label at all.

Edited March 14, 20179 yr by Floyd25