25 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'm pretty sure someone did some analysis at the time that showed Torres only scored against the weaker sides ... gluts of goals admittedly, but very much a "flat track bully" in the mould of Graham Hick in cricket.

Makes you wonder why no-one at the club pointed that out, though maybe they did, and our billionaire owner just wanted to buy him anyway ...

He wasn't actually very technically gifted (something that even at his very best stood out like a sore thump when he played with David Villa for his country) it was his burst of pace and athleticism that got him to the level he shown at Liverpool. When those went he needed his technical and tactical ability's to compete but they just weren't there, especially the latter.

Edited April 25, 20206 yr by Argo

12 hours ago, jack h said:

Carragher has it %100 regarding Torres. I don't know how others felt at those times but when we signed Shevchenko despite him being older at the time i thought and hoped he'd hit the ground running and was a bit surprised he couldn't produce (in hindsight it's easy to see his injury and playing through it at the world cup would be a problem). But I knew Torres was going to be a massive flop for us! And felt at the time us going for him was kneejerk and because he always scored against us and the two goals he got when he was having a crap season and already looked a shadow of himself from previous seasons, even with hindsight I don't think it can be overstated really how stupid a transfer it was at the time.

I liked the interview too, looked like JT and Carragher got on well.

JT said they were not aware of Torres's poor form and he scored two against us so still thought they were getting a top player.

JT also acknowledged the Anfield effect suggesting the crowd plays a part and could be intimidating for some.

 

On 23/04/2020 at 17:38, charierre said:

Really good interview with JT and Carjacker about the rivalry between Chelsea & Liverpool. Worth a view.

 

Good interview this - both sides respectful, Carragher with some intelligent questions as well, he comes across as quite sharp here. 

I really enjoy hearing insight and history from people who were actually there, getting the opinions of those who were behind the closed door. 

Edited April 27, 20206 yr by PloKoon13

On 25/04/2020 at 09:01, Sexyfootball said:

I'm pretty sure someone did some analysis at the time that showed Torres only scored against the weaker sides ... gluts of goals admittedly, but very much a "flat track bully" in the mould of Graham Hick in cricket.

Makes you wonder why no-one at the club pointed that out, though maybe they did, and our billionaire owner just wanted to buy him anyway ...

In fairness he bagged quite a few against both us and Man Utd (and caused outright panic in their back 4 even when not scoring), the two top teams in the country at the time, so it would be unfair to say he didnt score against the big teams. All strikers score fewer goals against big teams than little teams, and the reasons for that are fairly obvious!

1 hour ago, Coxy15 said:

In fairness he bagged quite a few against both us and Man Utd (and caused outright panic in their back 4 even when not scoring), the two top teams in the country at the time, so it would be unfair to say he didnt score against the big teams. All strikers score fewer goals against big teams than little teams, and the reasons for that are fairly obvious!

Here's his complete LFC goal list ... I think we had our blinkers on because he scored a lot against us ...

https://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/Profile/1186

Jonathan Liew with an very interesting take on the Terry/Bridge/Perroncel fiasco: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/03/betrayal-and-bombast-surreal-story-terry-v-bridge-scandal

Main points are:

- Gutter media are scum;

- Everyone seems to have forgotten how badly Perroncel got screwed by this (arf arf);

- There's every chance nothing actually happened.

Just stumbled on this hard to believe it's 11 years ago and only the British press could have made such a big thing about a nothing story. 2009 Twitter was in its infancy and Leveson changed absolutely nothing and the Max Clifford clips are haunting. If anything the press are possibly worse now the interview with JK Rowling's abuser was such a low.

 

JT Mercilessly Trolling his Spurs friend, and in fact all Spurs fans, absolutely priceless

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11911847/john-terry-mocks-spurs-video-chelsea-legend-trophy-cabinet/

• That's my Captain!

9 hours ago, Scott said:

• That's my Captain!

He knows what it means to feel like his fans

 

You can see the pain in JT’s face as they scored against us😂

 
You can see the pain in JT’s face as they scored against us[emoji23]

There is nothing there.

20 minutes ago, Boyne said:

Sign him up Frank!

17 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

 

You can see the pain in JT’s face as they scored against us😂

All banter aside I think a mountains being made out of a molehill with this, it's no different to a player scoring against their former club and refusing to celebrate (for example Tammy in the reverse fixture).

That 'beacon' of football news has an interesting one for me today.

Saying at school boy level Terry supported Utd like his Dad and his heroes were Ince and Cantona. When he was playing for Senrab he got invited to Utd and when he said Ince was his favourite player was sat next to Ince at the lunch table.

Later on decided he wanted to play for Chelsea, his Dad tried to stop it yet his Mum signed the papers with him causing a family row:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/12267159/chelsea-john-terry-man-utd-paul-ince-transfer/

@Bogga or @Stretford Ender is there any substance to this?

 

 

20 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

That 'beacon' of football news has an interesting one for me today.

Saying at school boy level Terry supported Utd like his Dad and his heroes were Ince and Cantona. When he was playing for Senrab he got invited to Utd and when he said Ince was his favourite player was sat next to Ince at the lunch table.

Later on decided he wanted to play for Chelsea, his Dad tried to stop it yet his Mum signed the papers with him causing a family row:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/12267159/chelsea-john-terry-man-utd-paul-ince-transfer/

@Bogga or @Stretford Ender is there any substance to this?

 

 

I have heard a similar story. There's no doubt that JT was a Utd fan as a kid.

1 hour ago, Strider6003 said:

That 'beacon' of football news has an interesting one for me today.

Saying at school boy level Terry supported Utd like his Dad and his heroes were Ince and Cantona. When he was playing for Senrab he got invited to Utd and when he said Ince was his favourite player was sat next to Ince at the lunch table.

Later on decided he wanted to play for Chelsea, his Dad tried to stop it yet his Mum signed the papers with him causing a family row:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/12267159/chelsea-john-terry-man-utd-paul-ince-transfer/

@Bogga or @Stretford Ender is there any substance to this?

 

 

It was fairly well known that JT was a United supporter when he was young. Later on, there was speculation that we were trying to sign him to replace Jaap Stam. I think JT has said since that it was his dad who was the United fan but I wonder if that isn't him being politic. Would have made a great pairing with Rio in the middle of our defence.

1 minute ago, Stretford Ender said:

It was fairly well known that JT was a United supporter when he was young. Later on, there was speculation that we were trying to sign him to replace Jaap Stam. I think JT has said since that it was his dad who was the United fan but I wonder if that isn't him being politic. Would have made a great pairing with Rio in the middle of our defence.

i think Vidic was also a colossal..  

4 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

That 'beacon' of football news has an interesting one for me today.

Saying at school boy level Terry supported Utd like his Dad and his heroes were Ince and Cantona. When he was playing for Senrab he got invited to Utd and when he said Ince was his favourite player was sat next to Ince at the lunch table.

Later on decided he wanted to play for Chelsea, his Dad tried to stop it yet his Mum signed the papers with him causing a family row:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/12267159/chelsea-john-terry-man-utd-paul-ince-transfer/

@Bogga or @Stretford Ender is there any substance to this?

 

 

Yeah, I've heard he was a fan of us, didn't know about the fuss though 🤣

3 hours ago, Jangz said:

i think Vidic was also a colossal..  

He was, but we didn't sign him until the 2005-06 season.

On 27/04/2020 at 20:24, Sexyfootball said:

Here's his complete LFC goal list ... I think we had our blinkers on because he scored a lot against us ...

https://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/Profile/1186

Torres loves scoring against Chelsea! It was both a blessing and a curse that he signed for us

20 hours ago, Stretford Ender said:

He was, but we didn't sign him until the 2005-06 season.

VIdic was 10x the defender that bum Rio was

15 minutes ago, driller97 said:

VIdic was 10x the defender that bum Rio was

As a last line of defence, you'd want Vidic, but for breaking up attacks outside the box and playing the ball out, Rio excelled.