40 minutes ago, General said:

It's simple really and we have had enough goes on this managerial merry go round to suss it out, player power is very very forceful in the internal politics of the Bridge, started with Big Phil then AVB etc. etc.  .

Would you have rather they just sat there and accepted those 2 destroying the club?

You're all burying your heads in the sand with "we have to stick with him" etc.

He's off in the summer regardless, absolute clear as day. This is what will make him vulnerable to the sack come Feb/March if we're in 6th and out of CL.

2 hours ago, General said:

It's simple really and we have had enough goes on this managerial merry go round to suss it out, player power is very very forceful in the internal politics of the Bridge, started with Big Phil then AVB etc. etc.  Players know from experience whether they play poor intentionally or not that the manager is always first to go. FFS top elite coaches like Jose sacked twice and Carlo once, and now the latest to walk under a media driven crisis to the 'gallows' is looking like AC.  I've expressed my displeasure at this boom and bust cycling many moons ago, until there's a shift in the club's internal dynamics and decision making I fear it will continue.

I wrote the same couple of days ago........its amazing RA cant see or chooses not to see that we have fundemental issues at the top. At what point do you say STOP? Why is his war axe only ready for the managers head? I was totally against AVB and Phil......you could clearly see they were crap and a huge no no. But with Conte its evident he must be backed.....he has done Wonders for us. FFS he single handidly changed the PL with his formations etc......can you imagine if he had done that being a utd manager? All media would be eating from his behind if he was managing one of their darlings. This pathetic board must know they have a quality manager.....no scrap that, RA must know we have a quality manager......he must be backed and given time. And please Fellow Chels, forget all about CA. He wont change anything and a big step backwards for me. Enough is enough damn it.....

I get the feeling as long as we win a major trophy every other year they are happy regardless of the changing faces at the helm. I think the owners now see this just as a business and the philosophy is keep the punters happy, you don't have to win every season just every other season. 

8 hours ago, Argo said:

Always found this player power thing a bit of a grey area, if the player's can see the manager's dragging the club down ala Scolari and AVB, wouldn't it be poor mentality to just shut up and accept the situation? Im not saying this is remotely the case with Conte but this the manager's incharge and player's should submit like good little boys notion is silly.

They're paid to work, it's a job, they should listen to their superiors.

Players are spoiled it's as simple as that. Lampard was the same with AVB, in an interview when Di Matteo was in charge he said "Well this manager players me, the other didn't" Lampard who was 34 coming on 35 at the time and was putting in shocking performances under AVB. Now, of course, we don't know what really happens behind the scenes, but I don't see how Lampard truly helped the situation, it wasn't professional. 

5 hours ago, Argo said:

Would you have rather they just sat there and accepted those 2 destroying the club?

Do you expect players to act professionally all the time though? Look at the tantrum Batsuayi had when he was subbed off against Palace, and he seems like a really nice bloke. Players can be very irrational we've seen it in the past if they aren't getting their own way they'll kick up a fuss. Ferguson's success was actually instrumental in kicking out some of his best players, his days at United were like a regime in the football world. 

If we let the players decide on the manager's fate then Conte will be gone as soon as one of them gets subbed off the pitch or doesn't play. The board has to back the manager, Conte has done an incredible job given the circumstances, but he's having a hard 2nd season and we must do everything in order to help him. 

This isn't exactly an Arsene Wenger situation. 

48 minutes ago, Slojo said:

They're paid to work, it's a job, they should listen to their superiors.

Players are spoiled it's as simple as that. Lampard was the same with AVB, in an interview when Di Matteo was in charge he said "Well this manager players me, the other didn't" Lampard who was 34 coming on 35 at the time and was putting in shocking performances under AVB. Now, of course, we don't know what really happens behind the scenes, but I don't see how Lampard truly helped the situation, it wasn't professional. 

Going to the most extreme side, what if we ever appointed a narchassist bully? one who picks on certain player's, chips away at there self confidence to the point they develop serious mental issue's or worse. If you were a victim of said manager, would you want the senior player's to do nothing because he's the boss? Alternatively would you do nothing if you saw it happening to teammates? Would you be able to give that manager 100% knowing what he is and what he's doing? 

Ofcourse that is the most extreme example and im sure we haven't had a manager that bad (although it must have been a reality somewhere in football), but im just trying to emphasise the point it isn't a clear cut as leaving it in the dressing room and giving your all and usual on the pitch regardless, in these circumstances the mental aspect seriously comes into play.

Edited November 3, 20178 yr by Argo

11 hours ago, startedwithglenn said:

He's off in the summer regardless, absolute clear as day.

Since when was this the case?

Should have stuck around for the handshake at the end. We're all quick to criticise Wenger when he does it, Conte shouldn't be held up to different standards.

On 11/4/2017 at 00:06, Argo said:

Going to the most extreme side, what if we ever appointed a narchassist bully? one who picks on certain player's, chips away at there self confidence to the point they develop serious mental issue's or worse. If you were a victim of said manager, would you want the senior player's to do nothing because he's the boss? Alternatively would you do nothing if you saw it happening to teammates? Would you be able to give that manager 100% knowing what he is and what he's doing? 

Ofcourse that is the most extreme example and im sure we haven't had a manager that bad (although it must have been a reality somewhere in football), but im just trying to emphasise the point it isn't a clear cut as leaving it in the dressing room and giving your all and usual on the pitch regardless, in these circumstances the mental aspect seriously comes into play.

Good post.

3 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Should have stuck around for the handshake at the end. We're all quick to criticise Wenger when he does it, Conte shouldn't be held up to different standards.

Not a big deal, never critisized Wenger for it, will not critisize Conte. Life's a lot better if the meaningless passive aggressive formalities are out of the way.

6 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Should have stuck around for the handshake at the end. We're all quick to criticise Wenger when he does it, Conte shouldn't be held up to different standards.

 

Zeta, no offence mate, please don't take this personally at all, but what the f**k are you on about?

 

Last time we beat Utd in the league at home Jose shouted in Conte's ear, for no f**king reason.

 

He's disrespected Conte and our club incessantly since he got to Utd. Last season in the cup he kicked the ball at Conte, deliberately, trying to provoke him.

 

Conte done absolutely the right thing. The guy's a legend, and the other guy's a w**ker.

I love you Zeta I just had to get that off my chest.

1 minute ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Zeta, no offence mate, please don't take this personally at all, but what the f**k are you on about?

 

Last time we beat Utd in the league at home Jose shouted in Conte's ear, for no f**king reason.

 

He's disrespected Conte and our club incessantly since he got to Utd. Last season in the cup he kicked the ball at Conte, deliberately, trying to provoke him.

 

Conte done absolutely the right thing. The guy's a legend, and the other guy's a w**ker.

Could have been the bigger man, just seems childish to stoop to Jose's level.

Can someone confirm what conte said about luiz. Could not hear that part of the interview.

Just now, Zeta said:

Could have been the bigger man, just seems childish to stoop to Jose's level.

 

Mate, he's got a long way to go before he stoops to Jose's level.

 

Conte got everything right today.

 

Every single thing.

Just now, didierforever said:

Can someone confirm what conte said about luiz. Could not hear that part of the interview.

Basically, if he deserves to play, he'll play, otherwise he'll be on the bench or in the stands.

No player is bigger than the club, and in the proper run club the manager as well 

SSB been pants lately 

the proof of the pudding was today’s performance  I’ll take the boy Anders every time  better younger faster maybe not got the passing range but Fab does

player power as always at chelsea 

 

I think the lads have known for a while Andreas could play instead of Luiz and it got to a point where someone said it to him..

37 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Should have stuck around for the handshake at the end. We're all quick to criticise Wenger when he does it, Conte shouldn't be held up to different standards.

I don't think it is the same as Wenger though. With Wenger, he get's bitter and storms off, i just think Conte got caught in the moment and forgot all about it.

3 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I don't think it is the same as Wenger though. With Wenger, he get's bitter and storms off, i just think Conte got caught in the moment and forgot all about it.

Agreed. Wenger normally storms off after defeat. Antonio was victorious and clearly wanted to celebrate with players and supporters.

I'm with zeta on this. I thought he should've been the bigger man and just shook his hand. By not shaking, he is only adding fuel to the bullsh*t he was getting pissed off talking about in the build up. 

Not a big issue though. 

Tactics were spot on today, and the way he has handled the Luiz situation whole keeping the squad playing for him, is a true testament to how good of a man manager he is aswell. 

Nailed the personnel and tactics today playing without wingers. Having Kante available helps but the decision to play with 3 CMs paid off.

He knew Hazard was going to be double marked and letting him roam behind Morata is what led to the space Morata had when he scored. 

Well done Antonio 

I'm beginning to think Wenger was right about Mourinho's.

I can't understand the rumours of Conte being potentially sacked in the near future. 

It's evident we haven't performed to the same standards as we did last season and we've had some shaky moments, but we're not in disarray and I think the talk of him being sacked is too premature to say the least.

We're only one point behind Manchester United now and still sit in the top 4. We're in the quarter finals of the League Cup and there's still time to turnaround our Champions League form.

I agree with another poster here that it's possible Conte could walk at the end of the season, with the lack of long-term commitment, but I think the club will cross that bridge when it gets to it. As it stands, Conte is contracted for this season and next.

Edited November 6, 20178 yr by Jezz