42 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

That performance in the first half may have just cost him a run in the team for a long time. He's got the ability to put a run of good games together, but he also puts in some awful performances too often. From the first minute he looked way off the pace, and it's not just because of his speed either. We know he is slow, but he has shown that he is good enough to make up for that lack of speed. His problem was that his head was in the clouds, he just didn't look that interested. Everything he did was half hearted, and you can never play like that at any level.

After the way Azpilicueta and especially James played in the second half, I think Lampard may just see those two as the better option until Emerson get's back up to speed.

It's not just his pace, it's his football IQ, he's so f**king clumsy. Him and Tomori had one of their players cornered he was going nowhere and Alonso just booted him, they then scored off that freekick to go 3-1. I think even Tomori was angry with Alonso by his reaction, he's a f**king idiot. 

He reminds me of Bosingwa when it comes to defending and sheer stupidity, always making the dumbest tackles and conceding silly freekicks. Keep him out of the first team as much as you can, he's a liability. 

Edited November 5, 20196 yr by Slojo

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

I don't think he looked truly top class in 16/17, his inclusion aided our title winning formation change but he was the second weakest link in that side behind Matic.

Even then he was a 1 good game, 2 average, 1 attrotious type player he is now.

You’re entitled to your opinion but both he and Moses were outstanding in that season under Conte. We were defensively fantastic and Alonso scored some big goals for us as well. Alas, those days are long gone now and so should his days playing for Chelsea.

3 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

You’re entitled to your opinion but both he and Moses were outstanding in that season under Conte. We were defensively fantastic and Alonso scored some big goals for us as well. Alas, those days are long gone now and so should his days playing for Chelsea.

 

You might be right but Conte's first thought upon winning the title was targeting Alex Sandro.

I don't even really want to give Alonso too much grief. He's won titles with us. He's been a good signing. He makes the most of what he's got. He's scored some big goals. He put two past Tottenham at Wembley. He just hasn't got the attributes to be a top class full-back, like Reece James has. It's not his fault.

Ivanovic was an amazing fullback, he scored some amazing crucial goals for us, but his Chelsea days were well past him in his final 2 seasons here. I know he was a lot older than Alonso, but things change, Alonso can't play in this system and he's not cut out for it anymore. 

5 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

You’re entitled to your opinion but both he and Moses were outstanding in that season under Conte. We were defensively fantastic and Alonso scored some big goals for us as well. Alas, those days are long gone now and so should his days playing for Chelsea.

I remember in a game against Southampton that year Tadic put him on his arse about 5 times in 10 minutes, with someone actually calling it out as one of the worst defensive displays they've ever seen.

He's been a good servant to us all told and gave us some great moments but I could forsee the issues with even then and let's just say there was a reason what felt like 99% of the fanbase were so desperate for Sandro.

1 minute ago, Davey Baby said:

I don't even really want to give Alonso too much grief. He's won titles with us. He's been a good signing. He makes the most of what he's got. He's scored some big goals. He put two past Tottenham at Wembley. He just hasn't got the attributes to be a top class full-back, like Reece James has. It's not his fault.

Yep, treat it like the Ivanovic situation, he's scored a lot of crucial goals for the club, but we knew when it was done it was done, time to move on. 

Fully respect everything he has done in the few years he has been here but he's just not good enough anymore. 

3 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Ivanovic was an amazing fullback, he scored some amazing crucial goals for us, but his Chelsea days were well past him in his final 2 seasons here. I know he was a lot older than Alonso, but things change, Alonso can't play in this system and he's not cut out for it anymore. 

Difference is, Ivanovic is a legend, Alonso isn't. 

3 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

I don't even really want to give Alonso too much grief. He's won titles with us. He's been a good signing. He makes the most of what he's got. He's scored some big goals. He put two past Tottenham at Wembley. He just hasn't got the attributes to be a top class full-back, like Reece James has. It's not his fault.

Similar to Luiz in some ways - Very flawed player but certainly made important contributions as well. 

16 minutes ago, Argo said:

I don't think he looked truly top class in 16/17, his inclusion aided our title winning formation change but he was the second weakest link in that side behind Matic.

Even then he was a 1 good game, 2 average, 1 attrotious type player he is now.

He has always divded opinions on here and that's fair. I think his passing was criminally underrated and for a slow wingback he was exceptionally good at cutting inside and taking the ball past players, similar to Ivanovic actually who had quite a bit of skill for a defender. 

His game against United in Conte's 2nd season, the 1-0 win at home, his passing in that game was unreal, but his defensive side has always been questionable, but it has gotten worse now definitely. Even if some might not think he was ever up to standard, it's pretty clear the performances have changed and he can't play in this setup. All he has done this season is make stupid mistakes, a great goal against Newcastle but even then he was one of the worst players on the pitch. The other team continiously targets him because they know he'll give the ball away and then give up a foul right after, he does that all the time. 

Big supporter of his for a few year but it's definitely time to go now, he has one good game for every bad 5. 

3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Difference is, Ivanovic is a legend, Alonso isn't. 

Well I did say that, Ivanovic was here for years and was actually a great CB/RB in his first few years. Mourinho had him as an attacking right back and he used to get us a sh*tload of goals/assists for it but defensively we started to see the flaws, and during the dark season we all want to forget, Mourinho's last, he was truly awful, couldn't stop making mistakes. 

Alonso is obviously not on Ivan's level of contribution, Ivan was here longer and played better in his prime, but Alonso still contributed big time for that title win and has won us a lot of important games. For that he has my respect, but we can all agree that he shouldn't be here anymore. 

23 minutes ago, Dixons said:

Similar to Luiz in some ways - Very flawed player but certainly made important contributions as well. 

That comparison is pretty much spot on for me. Both players are infinitely better at attacking than they are at defending. 

Man, I don't like having a go at Alonso because it's not for a want of trying. He just isn't very quick and not  dry good defencively, and using him to go up there and contribute to the attack as a fullback means asking for trouble at the back. 

He's scored quite a few goals,  some big goals, always tries hard, gave a lot of enjoyable moments and was a big player in the Conte title win.

It was clear though that James at right back with Azpi at left was a huge improvement. 

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

Ivanovic was an amazing fullback, he scored some amazing crucial goals for us, but his Chelsea days were well past him in his final 2 seasons here. I know he was a lot older than Alonso, but things change, Alonso can't play in this system and he's not cut out for it anymore. 

Ivanovic was an amazing footballer. He was a rock at defense and bulldozed wingers and fullbacks going forward. Good at headers and a good right foot. Helped us won both European trophies and multiple titles in England. Was sh*te at the end of his career when his pace left him and couldn't transition like JT.

How can you compare him to Alonso?

So so poor tonight. Bad choice to start him.

The performance was so bad that comedy videos have been made, even more impressive that it was just half a game worth of mistakes.

1 hour ago, comtrend said:

The performance was so bad that comedy videos have been made, even more impressive that it was just half a game worth of mistakes.

Almost as bad as Bakayoko v Watford, one of the worst individual Chelsea performances I've seen. 

I said after the Utd game in the LC that Frank's decision to let Marcos out for the 2nd half cost us the game. Frank obviously learned his lesson and we reaped the reward. Alonso plays that second half and we lose, it's as simple as that. I've no idea why he started but there's obviously a problem with Emerson. Regardless of whether Emerson's fit on Saturday, no way can I see Marcos starting.

15 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

I said after the Utd game in the LC that Frank's decision to let Marcos out for the 2nd half cost us the game. Frank obviously learned his lesson and we reaped the reward. Alonso plays that second half and we lose, it's as simple as that. I've no idea why he started but there's obviously a problem with Emerson. Regardless of whether Emerson's fit on Saturday, no way can I see Marcos starting.

It was a mistake to start him to begin with though. That probably cost us the win on tuesday.
But when that mistake was made it's a good thing he made the neccessary changes at half time.

I hope we sell Alonso in january, ban or not. Azpi and Emerson can fight for the LB-spot and Reece James is more than good enough to be the RB.

 

Getting a lot of grief here! A good wing back, rubbish left back, unless we use a 3-4-3 he is surplus to requirements. Simple as that.

11 minutes ago, Jackbuchanan said:

Getting a lot of grief here! A good wing back, rubbish left back, unless we use a 3-4-3 he is surplus to requirements. Simple as that.

average wing back, diabolical full back. 

8 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

average wing back, diabolical full back. 

I know you don't like Alonso but you cant say he is an average wingback. 

His time is probably up here but why bad mouth a player who was a big factor in a titel win. 

2 hours ago, Nevamind said:

I know you don't like Alonso but you cant say he is an average wingback. 

His time is probably up here but why bad mouth a player who was a big factor in a titel win. 

There's a reason Conte wanted to have an upgrade on him as his top priority.

His impressive goal return masked his overall bang average game.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

There's a reason Conte wanted to have an upgrade on him as his top priority.

His impressive goal return masked his overall bang average game.

Conte was as obsessed even more than @TomCFC85 with signing Sandro. 

Should be 3rd choice left back. Emerson number 1, then if he cant play id rather see azpi play there and James play right back.

Alonso has had a decent run recently, but his last 2 games have been the sort of performance we've seen for the last 2 years.