1 hour ago, cRyptic said:

I don't think La Liga have the power to do anything about it if UEFA decide to let the transfer go through. 

Something fishy is definitely going on though.

La Liga are saying the release clause only guarantees transfers for teams in Spain.

14 minutes ago, Zola said:

La Liga are saying the release clause only guarantees transfers for teams in Spain.

Release clauses are a government thing not a league thing. So if Neymar wants to buy out his contract it means squat why just that he does. No way La Liga successfully blocks this.

This is what I've gathered reading around though. To me just seems like la liga trying to protect their babies, why does La Liga care where the money comes from? Its Paris' problem not La Ligas. They are just whining that its their league stars getting poached.

Ironically they busy whining about this whilst Barcelona does their usual media campaign about Coutinho trying to unsettle him. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

Edited August 3, 20178 yr by Stim

Thats if Neymar wants to buy out himself yes, but in this instance its PSG fronting the cash, which is appearing to make it a different case.

3 minutes ago, Zola said:

Thats if Neymar wants to buy out himself yes, but in this instance its PSG fronting the cash, which is appearing to make it a different case.

I read they cannot do that, Neymar has to be the one to buy out his contract hence all this 'paying him for being face of the world cup' stuff. Lots of conflicting reports though I guess

Edited August 3, 20178 yr by Stim

After rejecting PSG's bid for Neymar, Spanish FA has released an official statement:
"We are really worried about the financial well being of the clubs and want each club to be FFP compliant. More so we are worried about satanic teams like PSG trying to rob poor old Barcelona off the player who was the shadiest transfer in the history of the world as well as trying to damage their elitist status. Hence, we have taken it upon ourselves to set the world right. From now all transfer dealings will be approved and rejected by us. Also, keeping in mind poor clubs like Barcelona, we have decreed that they be given a 3 goal and a player advantage at the start of every game. As well as the option to buy any player from any team for free." All Hail Spanish FA.

14 hours ago, Wolv said:

Anyone have ideas on how to shut up united fans. United boys at work think they already won the league.

I'm afraid you'll just have to sit it out. A bit like last year after they signed Pogba. Come Christmas after 19 games unbeaten in the league including 12 draws and they are languishing 15 points behind us in sixth place, they will start to crawl back into there shells.

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

After rejecting PSG's bid for Neymar, Spanish FA has released an official statement:
"We are really worried about the financial well being of the clubs and want each club to be FFP compliant. More so we are worried about satanic teams like PSG trying to rob poor old Barcelona off the player who was the shadiest transfer in the history of the world as well as trying to damage their elitist status. Hence, we have taken it upon ourselves to set the world right. From now all transfer dealings will be approved and rejected by us. Also, keeping in mind poor clubs like Barcelona, we have decreed that they be given a 3 goal and a player advantage at the start of every game. As well as the option to buy any player from any team for free." All Hail Spanish FA.

This just sparked a battle between La Liga and the French FA aka LFP lmao

16 hours ago, Wolv said:

Anyone have ideas on how to shut up united fans. United boys at work think they already won the league.

Just smile and say, "You guys bought Matic for 50m" and watch them trying to justify the price

Two match ban for diving and feigning injury. About time something was done about this, not sure how you decide any but the most blatant are dives and wonder if this will end up with the bigger clubs being reviewed more due to more media coverage.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/444152

I'm sure they will enforce the rule equally and fairly. lol.

22 hours ago, big blue said:

This neymar deal is a real game changer. PSG have pushed themselves into that top tier of attracting the world's best. 

Absolutely stunned by it to be honest. 

I know we are hoping for a return to the times we consistently reaching the semi finals of the champions league, but I dont think we have the financial clout to even compete at that level anymore. 

City and United outspent us domestically, Barca, Real, and PSG, are able to spend ridiculous amounts abroad, and Juve and Bayern tend to sweep up the best talent in their respective leagues, to keep them very strong. 

Now you also have Milan back in the mix. 

It's getting harder and harder to attract the best talent. I think now more than ever we have to find a way of turning the youth prospects that are some if the best in europe, into world class talent for the 1st team. 

1/4 million a week wages may have something to do with that!

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40770123

I wonder how he's going to get back the money he's paying. He might get in trouble again.

1 hour ago, Drogba11CFC said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40770123

This is good. Liverpool was grouped with some good clubs.

Deal done with Neymar. 5year contract.

8 hours ago, Stim said:

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Release clauses are a government thing not a league thing. So if Neymar wants to buy out his contract it means squat why just that he does. No way La Liga successfully blocks this.

This is what I've gathered reading around though. To me just seems like la liga trying to protect their babies, why does La Liga care where the money comes from? Its Paris' problem not La Ligas. They are just whining that its their league stars getting poached.

Ironically they busy whining about this whilst Barcelona does their usual media campaign about Coutinho trying to unsettle him. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch

The League has an obligation to enforce FFP, Barcelona does not.

A release clause can be triggered by a payment from a club to La Liga who acts as a trustee, or the player can individually buy themselves out of their club's contract. La Liga only have to accept bids from other Spanish clubs.

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Yeah, tapping up is terrible isn't it Barcelona....

 

Barca president on Veratti, July 10th:
 

We want Marco Verratti and he wants to come here,' Bartomeu said. 'Verratti is a player that interests us for a transfer, the coaches believe he is good enough to play in the Barca midfield.
'We know the player is bowled over by the prospect of coming to Barca. But when you ring PSG and you talk to their president, he says to us that he is not for sale and that there they don't have release clauses.'

And Bartomeu claims it is pressure being placed on PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi that is preventing the deal going through. 
'Marco Verratti is a prisoner of the Emir,' the Barcelona chief said

From the Griezmann thread:

On 9/13/2016 at 21:59, SydneyChelsea said:

It's a lot more complicated than that, actually, and the understanding of what "release clauses" actually are is muddied by the simplified version of them you find in your Football Manager or FIFA games. I've posted about it in detail before somewhere here but it may have been archived.

In England, there are 'release clauses' in the sense that some player contracts have criteria that if met trigger a release from the player's contract. It could be a performance criteria, such as relegation or failure to make Europe, or like in Demba Ba's case a pre-set discount transfer fee and agreement to release if a Champions' League club was interested in him.

In Spain there are no 'release clauses' (or they aren't common...) in the same sense. It's actually a 'buy-out clause' and it basically states that a professional always retains the right to buy out their contract for a pre-agreed value. In other EU jurisdictions you have the similar 'Bosman ruling' allowing a player to buy themselves out of the last year of their contract; in Spain, basically the same rule is enforced for all contracts regardless of duration. So technically speaking, for a La Liga player, the onus is on him to pay out his contract before he can sign for a new club. Unless he's willing to pay that fee out of his own pocket, obviously the money needs to be financed from somewhere - usually, the buying club.

However, the interpretation of these rules is different depending on whether the buyer is a foreign or a Spanish club. La Liga rules stipulate that all La Liga clubs are obligated to accept bids from Spanish clubs that meet the buyout clause. So, if a Spanish club comes along for Griezmann and they offer to pay the 84m on his behalf, Atletico have no choice but to accept the offer and allow him to discuss terms. This interpretation does not apply to foreign clubs. There is no requirement for Atletico to accept a bid from a foreign club regardless of whether it meets the clause or not.

The reason why this is legal is because Griezmann is still technically free to go - if he forks over 84m. Normally, foreign transfers would be done by the buying club giving the money in trust to La Liga who then pass to the selling club on behalf of the player etc. but there's nothing that says that Atletico have  to agree to this method and recognise the money is coming from Griezmann. So in this case, even if we are willing to meet the clause, they can still refuse.

There are ways around this but Spanish tax law is pretty harsh (47% luxury tax) and I think there is a complication that if the money is transferred in the name of player, it then becomes subject to the luxury income tax which effectively doubles the price (so 168m for Griezmann then...?)

So, the way it works is that PSG may have given Neymar the money who then used it to buy out his contract from Barcelona. Which, unless Barcelona decided for some hare-brained reason to waive the tax fee, means the actual value of the transfer is closer to £300m, explaining how the third-party endorsements come into play. It also explains why given Spanish football's recent tax problems and having been burned in the past with transfer auditing, La Liga wouldn't want to touch it with a ten-foot pole.

As a Frenchman I can shed some light on the Neymar transfer: it's despicable that money from a state that has morals closer to the middle ages than modern values has been allowed to bankroll a foreign football club with its dirty oil and human misery money.

 

Neymar won't care mind, unbelievable to think of what football has become in my lifetime.

And the train is showing no sign of stopping.

The Neymar transfer couldn't have happened to a worse club, Barca won't see any sympathy from me...

I've been reading that Neymar's wages as an ambassador for the Qatar World Cup will be around 300m so he can buyout his contract and thus bypass any FFP regulations. 

Don't know if there's any truth to it, but if there is, that is a prime example of how big of a failure the current version of FFP really is.

is it possible for the mods to close the old rivals thread? i keep getting confused which one is this season or last 

Juan Mata has pledged 1% of his pay to charity. He's always come across a genuine nice guy. Special Juan.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4171388/manchester-united-juan-mata-charity-one-per-cent-wage/

The Mail showing pictures of Mbappe with Sane in Manchester.

Mez

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4763848/Kylian-Mbappe-ignites-Manchester-City-transfer-rumours.html

Edited August 5, 20178 yr by mez

Can't see it. They already have an an unreal forward line with Aguero, Jesus, Sane, Silva, D.Silva and De Bruyne.