14 minutes ago, BiafranBlue said:

Hey there, this is a complete piece of crap you have as a reply to me.

There is no privilege I should feel like I’m being given to visit this forum or be an active member.

The owners or mods are the ones privileged to have members who are active and constantly exchanging opinions to keep it alive.

Without constant web hits and traffics from visitors, this place would be a dry zone and probably with no funds raised to run it and it’d die a natural death.

Spare me that ‘privilege’ bull crap.

So long as no o e is violating any known civil or internet laws or forum laws in this case, no person has the right to shout down other people’s opinions because the other party is “new” to this forum.

Please let it go.

The funds used to run this site are provided by members who regularly donate money towards the running of the site.  They have DONOR written under their avatar.

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by moi
Sigh! a typo as usual!

The members on these forums fall into two categories. Those that are always moaning. And the rest that always moan about those moaning.

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, moi said:

The funds used to run this site are provided by members who regularly donate money towards the running of the site.  They have DONOR written under their avatar.

Lady Moi, and yes too if no member visited here, none of them would like the forum enough to donate in running the site.

It’s a privilege for the owner(s) to have visitors (members), not the other way round.

12 hours ago, BiafranBlue said:

.............................. no person has the right to shout down other people’s opinions because the other party is “new” to this forum.

Please let it go.

I think you might have missed the point.  No-one is "shouting down other people's opinions" whether they are new or have been here for years. 

But anyone who expresses an opinion must accept that others can disagree with that opinion, and express an opposing one.

Apart from obvious racism and hate speech, show me one post from anyone ever that said "you are not allowed to post that". 

There will have been thousands that said something along the lines of "you must be a silly person to have posted that", but no-one has ever said it can't be posted.

Did anyone see Chiellini and Buffon locking horns after a save last night? That's the type of passion I would like to see on the pitch.

13 hours ago, BiafranBlue said:

Hey there, this is a complete piece of crap you have as a reply to me.

There is no privilege I should feel like I’m being given to visit this forum or be an active member.

The owners or mods are the ones privileged to have members who are active and constantly exchanging opinions to keep it alive.

Without constant web hits and traffics from visitors, this place would be a dry zone and probably with no funds raised to run it and it’d die a natural death.

Spare me that ‘privilege’ bull crap.

So long as no o e is violating any known civil or internet laws or forum laws in this case, no person has the right to shout down other people’s opinions because the other party is “new” to this forum.

Please let it go.

Ok, I get it now. We should be grateful to you for everything you have done to make the forum what it is, which amounts to literally dozens of posts over a couple of years. It truly is a privilege to be able to read enlightening posts from such interesting characters as yourself, and I'm sure the recent influx of rejects from 'TalkChelsea', or whatever it is, will revitalise this otherwise dry and lifeless forum.

By the way, you're wrong that nobody has "the right to shout down other people’s opinions". We can absolutely do that if we want to, however it could risk coming across as a bit rude. Politeness is apparently not a priority for you, at least if the first line of your post is anything to go by, but my preference is simply to avoid engaging with people whose opinions I have no respect for. Sometimes it can take quite a while for me to realise that engaging with a person is a complete waste of my time, in your case it took only two posts. So I should thank you for that.

Bit late to this thread, but whilst I completely agree with the frustration towards the pathetic performance against City, it's not even the worst it's been in two years, let alone 35 years. 

Is it worse than being (the defending champions) in a relegation dog fight under Mourinho (whilst at the same time he picked a fight with everyone at the club ranging from the doctor to the match going fans? No. 

Is it worse than when we sacked Di Matteo after winning the Champions League and appointed Benitez? No. 

There is plenty to moan about at the moment, don't get me wrong, but let's not wet the bed. 

 

5 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

Bit late to this thread, but whilst I completely agree with the frustration towards the pathetic performance against City, it's not even the worst it's been in two years, let alone 35 years. 

Is it worse than being (the defending champions) in a relegation dog fight under Mourinho (whilst at the same time he picked a fight with everyone at the club ranging from the doctor to the match going fans? No. 

Is it worse than when we sacked Di Matteo after winning the Champions League and appointed Benitez? No. 

There is plenty to moan about at the moment, don't get me wrong, but let's not wet the bed. 

 

"Is it worse?" No of course not, but does that make it right?

That game against Man City was an embarrassment. I put my thoughts on the situation a page or so back on that game. But when you've got City and Liverpool playing the way they are at the moment, and even Spurs, regardless of last nights result, giving everything for their respective shirts. And then we get served up that shower of sh*te on Sunday! So again, "Is it worse?" No, but it isn't any better either!

The worst in recent living history (50 years) ??

Has to be 1988. The talk was already ongoing about a new premiership league, just three season before the EPL started, and we were going in the wrong direction.

 

Not much has changed with Arsenal F.C position in the table.

39 minutes ago, coco said:

The worst in recent living history (50 years) ??

Has to be 1988. The talk was already ongoing about a new premiership league, just three season before the EPL started, and we were going in the wrong direction.

 

I see your 1988 and raise you a 1978/79. Kids today don't know true misery.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978–79_in_English_football

Pos	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Qualification or relegation
1	Liverpool	42	30	8	4	85	16	+69	68	Qualified for the European Cup
2	Nottingham Forest	42	21	18	3	61	26	+35	60
3	West Bromwich Albion	42	24	11	7	72	35	+37	59	Qualified for the UEFA Cup
4	Everton	42	17	17	8	52	40	+12	51
5	Leeds United	42	18	14	10	70	52	+18	50
6	Ipswich Town	42	20	9	13	63	49	+14	49
7	Arsenal	42	17	14	11	61	48	+13	48	Qualified for the Cup Winners' Cup
8	Aston Villa	42	15	16	11	59	49	+10	46
9	Manchester United	42	15	15	12	60	63	?3	45
10	Coventry City	42	14	16	12	58	68	?10	44
11	Tottenham Hotspur	42	13	15	14	48	61	?13	41
12	Middlesbrough	42	15	10	17	57	50	+7	40
13	Bristol City	42	15	10	17	47	51	?4	40
14	Southampton	42	12	16	14	47	53	?6	40
15	Manchester City	42	13	13	16	58	56	+2	39
16	Norwich City	42	7	23	12	51	57	?6	37
17	Bolton Wanderers	42	12	11	19	54	75	?21	35
18	Wolverhampton Wanderers	42	13	8	21	44	68	?24	34
19	Derby County	42	10	11	21	44	71	?27	31
20	Queens Park Rangers	42	6	13	23	45	73	?28	25	Relegated to the Second Division
21	Birmingham City	42	6	10	26	37	64	?27	22
22	Chelsea	42	5	10	27	44	92	?48	20

Edited March 8, 20188 yr by charierre

I was only a kid then, dont even remember that far back

28 minutes ago, Famous CFC said:

Not much has changed with Arsenal F.C position in the table.

lmfao and in 1978^

23 hours ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

I was talking more about the desire and belief the players showed, not the actual performance, although that was Dire. To me it felt as though we went out there with a "lets get this one out of the way" attitude. Especially when we went behind and still no pressing the City players. Ive never seen that from a Chelsea side, it was very strange.

 

I agree with you on this point. From the moment the teams were announced, it felt just like you said, a "we have no chance of winning this game, let's just get it over and done with" feeling. The attitude from everybody but our away supporters was unacceptable in my opinion. I have never seen a Chelsea team approach a game with such a defeatist attitude before. I have seen us turn up to games being overly confident and expecting a win only to get undone by the opposition, but i have never seen what i seen on Sunday before. We laugh at how gutless Arsenal are, well that performance from us was as gutless as Arsenal are when they are at their worst. The scoreline doesn't tell the whole story. If City felt like it, they could have gone up several more gears.

6 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

Bit late to this thread, but whilst I completely agree with the frustration towards the pathetic performance against City, it's not even the worst it's been in two years, let alone 35 years. 

Is it worse than being (the defending champions) in a relegation dog fight under Mourinho (whilst at the same time he picked a fight with everyone at the club ranging from the doctor to the match going fans? No. 

Is it worse than when we sacked Di Matteo after winning the Champions League and appointed Benitez? No. 

There is plenty to moan about at the moment, don't get me wrong, but let's not wet the bed. 

 

I think the main reason some people think it's worse now than 2 years ago is because of the possible ramifications to come from this season. 2 years ago, the only real damage that was done was us missing out on a season of Champions League. The squad was still pretty good, there was a lot to work with to get us back on track, we didn't lose our top players to other teams, and we managed to sign one of the best players in the league (Kante). I can't help but feel that if we end up missing out on the top 4 again, we won't recover anywhere near as well as we did last time. The squad isn't healthier than it was 2 years ago, it's mentally weak, it's lacking character and leadership and from what i can see, a lack of quality in certain areas as well. I also think if we finish outside of the top 4, Hazard and Courtois will definitely leave. There is a reason why they are both stalling on signing a new contract. If they really wanted to be here regardless of what will be happening next season, then they would have signed by now. Courtois is replaceable, i don't think he is as good as some people make him out to be, but losing Hazard isn't something we will recover well from. We are already overly reliant on him as it is, much more than 2 years ago (seeing as he was poor that season) If he goes, who comes in to get us back competing for top 4 again? with how slow we react in the summer transfer market, the type of players we go for and no Champions League football, i wouldn't exactly have much hope for us becoming competitive again.

This is technically the worst for me as I’m just short of 31. Spare a thought for us who are currently at rock bottom 

5 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

This is technically the worst for me as I’m just short of 31. Spare a thought for us who are currently at rock bottom 

31 !! i can remember getting relegated through some crazy fcuking play off !!

10 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I agree with you on this point. From the moment the teams were announced, it felt just like you said, a "we have no chance of winning this game, let's just get it over and done with" feeling. The attitude from everybody but our away supporters was unacceptable in my opinion. I have never seen a Chelsea team approach a game with such a defeatist attitude before. I have seen us turn up to games being overly confident and expecting a win only to get undone by the opposition, but i have never seen what i seen on Sunday before. We laugh at how gutless Arsenal are, well that performance from us was as gutless as Arsenal are when they are at their worst. The scoreline doesn't tell the whole story. If City felt like it, they could have gone up several more gears.

I disagree with one part. I dont think the team was set up with a defeatist attitude. Going to City away and trying to play them in their style or play into their hands would have been sure defeat. Knicking a 1-0 or a 1-1, 0-0 draw was the plan. 

I agree the players turned in a half hearted effort but I don't think that was the intention. I know Conte said it's better to lose 1-0 than 4-0 but in my mind theres no other way to play against City with the team we have and expect a positive or neutral result. 

You're probably not the only one who shares your sentiment but I saw this first. 

I knew what this thread had in store before I clicked on it. Hopefully we can all be more positive in general and stop expecting a top class performance every time out regardless of who we play

31 minutes ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

I disagree with one part. I dont think the team was set up with a defeatist attitude. Going to City away and trying to play them in their style or play into their hands would have been sure defeat. Knicking a 1-0 or a 1-1, 0-0 draw was the plan. 

I agree the players turned in a half hearted effort but I don't think that was the intention. I know Conte said it's better to lose 1-0 than 4-0 but in my mind theres no other way to play against City with the team we have and expect a positive or neutral result. 

You're probably not the only one who shares your sentiment but I saw this first. 

I knew what this thread had in store before I clicked on it. Hopefully we can all be more positive in general and stop expecting a top class performance every time out regardless of who we play

BIB. I'm confused by this bit, not because of your opinion, but because I'm still trying to place our team among the rest of our rivals. I was under the impression that we had better players than Liverpool. But, Liverpool have played City twice, beat them comfortably once, and probably had got a result the first time, if not for the red card. How come they can do that and we can't? Have Liverpool got better players than us? Are they a better team? Have they got a better Manager?

On 3/6/2018 at 03:11, yorkleyblue said:

Yeah, but where were you when we were good?

Its not about when we were good. We should have maintained the legacy of our game. Sunday's defeat was actually a shame. All our hopes were brutally killed.

Edited March 9, 20188 yr by janecollen

Blame would be on the players for this one. The first game was not as bad people thought : Hazard and Morata up until his injury had legit chances !!! Also, how come we played a thousand times better against barça to fail to show anything against City?? Btw, the game vs united was a robbery... one legit goal disallowed and a goal that shouldn't have have been given. Plus Moses fcking up things in attack and hazard and morata wasting 2 important chances but that's not as bad as those ref's antics (again) !

13 hours ago, charierre said:

I see your 1988 and raise you a 1978/79. Kids today don't know true misery.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978–79_in_English_football

Pos	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Qualification or relegation
1	Liverpool	42	30	8	4	85	16	+69	68	Qualified for the European Cup
2	Nottingham Forest	42	21	18	3	61	26	+35	60
3	West Bromwich Albion	42	24	11	7	72	35	+37	59	Qualified for the UEFA Cup
4	Everton	42	17	17	8	52	40	+12	51
5	Leeds United	42	18	14	10	70	52	+18	50
6	Ipswich Town	42	20	9	13	63	49	+14	49
7	Arsenal	42	17	14	11	61	48	+13	48	Qualified for the Cup Winners' Cup
8	Aston Villa	42	15	16	11	59	49	+10	46
9	Manchester United	42	15	15	12	60	63	?3	45
10	Coventry City	42	14	16	12	58	68	?10	44
11	Tottenham Hotspur	42	13	15	14	48	61	?13	41
12	Middlesbrough	42	15	10	17	57	50	+7	40
13	Bristol City	42	15	10	17	47	51	?4	40
14	Southampton	42	12	16	14	47	53	?6	40
15	Manchester City	42	13	13	16	58	56	+2	39
16	Norwich City	42	7	23	12	51	57	?6	37
17	Bolton Wanderers	42	12	11	19	54	75	?21	35
18	Wolverhampton Wanderers	42	13	8	21	44	68	?24	34
19	Derby County	42	10	11	21	44	71	?27	31
20	Queens Park Rangers	42	6	13	23	45	73	?28	25	Relegated to the Second Division
21	Birmingham City	42	6	10	26	37	64	?27	22
22	Chelsea	42	5	10	27	44	92	?48	20

On a personal level between the ages of when I was 9 and 18 Chelsea only played in the top tier for 2 seasons ( period 75-84)

I was too young to remember the glimmer or success we had in the early 70s, and was 31 when we won the FA Cup in 97 which was our first major trophy in 26 years. 

We were half decent from then on and won a few things prior to RA taking over in 2003 ( probably my most favourite times)

When Roman arrived we effectively won the lottery, and since then have won every trophy it's possible to win more or less.

Im rambling on a bit, but I suppose we've become accustomed to the status quo or us being a top team- a bit like euromillions winners I'm sure don't wake up every morning years after the win thinking " isn't this great", they have become used to it and it's the norm.

I think my generation of CFC fans are a bit more happy go lucky about team performance because we've experienced the downs, whilst fellow fans under 25 say have only known success. ( Not a criticism just an accident of birthdate)

One thing I will say is that there was probably as much if not more laughter and fun at the Bridge when we were sh*t, because there was no expectation.

Thats just my take on things 

Edit- never mind probably more laughter and fun when we were sh*t, there definitely was. We were the loudest, wittiest, most bonkers fans in the land.

Edited March 9, 20188 yr by Ewell CFC

13 hours ago, charierre said:

I see your 1988 and raise you a 1978/79. Kids today don't know true misery.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978–79_in_English_football

Pos	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Qualification or relegation
1	Liverpool	42	30	8	4	85	16	+69	68	Qualified for the European Cup
2	Nottingham Forest	42	21	18	3	61	26	+35	60
3	West Bromwich Albion	42	24	11	7	72	35	+37	59	Qualified for the UEFA Cup
4	Everton	42	17	17	8	52	40	+12	51
5	Leeds United	42	18	14	10	70	52	+18	50
6	Ipswich Town	42	20	9	13	63	49	+14	49
7	Arsenal	42	17	14	11	61	48	+13	48	Qualified for the Cup Winners' Cup
8	Aston Villa	42	15	16	11	59	49	+10	46
9	Manchester United	42	15	15	12	60	63	?3	45
10	Coventry City	42	14	16	12	58	68	?10	44
11	Tottenham Hotspur	42	13	15	14	48	61	?13	41
12	Middlesbrough	42	15	10	17	57	50	+7	40
13	Bristol City	42	15	10	17	47	51	?4	40
14	Southampton	42	12	16	14	47	53	?6	40
15	Manchester City	42	13	13	16	58	56	+2	39
16	Norwich City	42	7	23	12	51	57	?6	37
17	Bolton Wanderers	42	12	11	19	54	75	?21	35
18	Wolverhampton Wanderers	42	13	8	21	44	68	?24	34
19	Derby County	42	10	11	21	44	71	?27	31
20	Queens Park Rangers	42	6	13	23	45	73	?28	25	Relegated to the Second Division
21	Birmingham City	42	6	10	26	37	64	?27	22
22	Chelsea	42	5	10	27	44	92	?48	20

League Division 2
                              P   W  D  L   F   A   W  D  L   F   A  Pts
 1. QUEENS PARK RANGERS      42  16  3  2  51  16  10  4  7  26  20   85
 2. WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS  42  14  5  2  42  16   6 10  5  26  28   75
 3. LEICESTER CITY           42  11  4  6  36  15   9  6  6  36  29   70
 4. Fulham                   42  13  5  3  36  20   7  4 10  28  27   69
 5. Newcastle United         42  13  6  2  43  21   5  7  9  32  32   67
 6. Sheffield Wednesday      42   9  8  4  33  23   7  7  7  27  24   63
 7. Oldham Athletic          42   8 10  3  38  24   6  9  6  26  23   61
 8. Leeds United             42   7 11  3  28  22   6 10  5  23  24   60
 9. Shrewsbury Town          42   8  9  4  20  15   7  5  9  28  33   59
10. Barnsley                 42   9  8  4  37  28   5  7  9  20  27   57
11. Blackburn Rovers         42  11  7  3  38  21   4  5 12  20  37   57
12. Cambridge United         42  11  7  3  26  17   2  5 14  16  43   51
13. Derby County             42   7 10  4  27  24   3  9  9  22  34   49
14. Carlisle United          42  10  6  5  44  28   2  6 13  24  42   48
15. Crystal Palace           42  11  7  3  31  17   1  5 15  12  35   48
16. Middlesbrough            42   8  7  6  27  29   3  8 10  19  38   48
17. Charlton Athletic        42  11  3  7  40  31   2  6 13  23  55   48
18. Chelsea                  42   8  8  5  31  22   3  6 12  20  39   47
19. Grimsby Town             42   9  7  5  32  26   3  4 14  13  44   47
20. ROTHERHAM UNITED         42   6  7  8  22  29   4  8  9  23  39   45
21. BURNLEY                  42  10  4  7  38  24   2  4 15  18  42   44
22. BOLTON WANDERERS         42  10  2  9  30  26   1  9 11  12  35   44

 

Top year that was, probably only missed 4 games home and away. Close to getting relegated to 3rd division.

Don't remember to much moaning and bitching in those days.

51 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

On a personal level between the ages of when I was 9 and 18 Chelsea only played in the top tier for 2 seasons ( period 75-84)

I was too young to remember the glimmer or success we had in the early 70s, and was 31 when we won the FA Cup in 97 which was our first major trophy in 26 years. 

We were half decent from then on and won a few things prior to RA taking over in 2003 ( probably my most favourite times)

When Roman arrived we effectively won the lottery, and since then have won every trophy it's possible to win more or less.

Im rambling on a bit, but I suppose we've become accustomed to the status quo or us being a top team- a bit like euromillions winners I'm sure don't wake up every morning years after the win thinking " isn't this great", they have become used to it and it's the norm.

I think my generation of CFC fans are a bit more happy go lucky about team performance because we've experienced the downs, whilst fellow fans under 25 say have only known success. ( Not a criticism just an accident of birthdate)

One thing I will say is that there was probably as much if not more laughter and fun at the Bridge when we were sh*t, because there was no expectation.

Thats just my take on things 

Edit- never mind probably more laughter and fun when we were sh*t, there definitely was. We were the loudest, wittiest, most bonkers fans in the land.

And we used to take thousands away and sometimes have more support than the home team.

1 hour ago, Kev56 said:

Don't remember to much moaning and bitching in those days.

I agree with you to a point. 82/83 was my first season of going to games and it was terrible but, as an 8 year old going with my dad there wasn't much opportunity to complain much, and I knew nothing else anyway.

I think that key difference today is simply that for 15, even 20 years now Chelsea have been a high profile club with star players and an impressive trophy haul and all done in the era of blanket sports coverage and social media. So anyone under 30 years old is likely to have an attitude very different to those of us who are 40 plus. The rights and wrongs of it are all very well, but that's just the way it is. I don't blame individuals, I don't like a lot of it but, I understand it.

And if I'm being perfectly honest, despite having witnessed some poor periods in Chelsea's history (and the same as others here - look back fondly on those times) I can't claim that I have not been completely untouched by the last twenty years and have not seen my own outlook and expectations change somewhat. I do believe that in this era our football clubs are now as much business institutions as sports clubs and that it is not always easy to view it the same way I did quarter of a century ago.

And as for the internet and social media; well I'll probably even regret typing this and clicking submit in about five minutes.