1 minute ago, dansubrosa said:

Probably.

But this will sting for a very long time. This hurt more than the first time we sacked Jose.

I can't speak for you right now but I've felt like sh*t after a few manager sackings, Jose both times, Carlo (probably the worst one for me, loved him) and Di Matteo. 

I felt after Jose part 2, that was the club going to plummet. The cycle continued, we couldn't get long term success, the players rebelled against our greatest manager ever, a club legend at that. Awful feelings at the time... But then next season it all changed, it was actually amazing under Conte, football is very fickle. 

Just looked at the Jose thread when he was sacked, similar stuff. Blaming player's, claiming no one got the club like he did, how we've ruined our chance to get something meaningful, people saying they're becoming numb etc

Within a year we were all chanting "Antonio Antonio Antonioooooo"!!! 

Sad day. It is.

Just now, Argo said:

Just looked at the Jose thread when he was sacked, similar stuff. Blaming player's, claiming no one got the club like he did, how we've ruined our chance to get something meaningful, people saying they're becoming numb etc

Within a year we were all chanting "Antonio Antonio Antonioooooo"!!! 

Yep, exactly what I just said and how I remember it. 

I was depressed from a football perspective and when we hired Conte I wasn't exactly thrilled either, especially with all the match fixing in Italy. But f**k me did I enjoy that season, what a ride that was, shame the one after was so sh*t but he did win a trophy out of it still. 

It might seem absolutely grim now, but this time next year, you could be on the edge of your seat. 

It's like touching the cut even though you know it's gonna hurt. I keep on reading all the reports almost gloating at this.

Last season was one of the most enjoyable I've had in many years. Youth players brought on, some decent football, a sense of the club and what it has meant to me for all those years was back in me, and led by someone who was there throughout.

Hand on heart I knew it was going to end badly because it always does with us.

Frank will get over it and move on, so will I, but I'm gutted right now.

 

I was already prepared for this as soon as we signed him as a rookie manager, he's left as the only manager who received a public statement from Roman. When he is more experienced I reckon he will be back for round 2, it's not like we're going to have a long term manager anyway.

11 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Are you seriously trying to defend the boards hire and fire policy when it comes to stability and the point I’m making?

There's more than one way to gain stability.

Answer me this, how many captains did the supposed beacon's of stability United and especially Arsenal have in the 13 years of Terry's reign as skipper?

11 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

 we sack managers at any sign of trouble

Then why wasn't Lampard sacked last season when we lost 5/8? Why wasn't he sacked when we won a mere 4 out of 14? 

Why wasn't Sarri sacked when he had a three month rut which involved delivering our two worst negative scorelines in two decades in the space of three weeks?

Why was Jose given five months to fix an all time collapse?

Edited January 25, 20215 yr by Argo

Sad day. Frank's a legend and always will be. The job maybe came too soon in very difficult circumstances. Maybe he could have been given more time, in recent weeks however it seemed to me that he had taken this group of players as far as he could. 

Still a hero, Super Frankie Lampard.

Great players rarely make great managers ,, the tactics have been sh*t ... clueless... i was there when we were sh*t in the 70,s and 80,s.. i,d rather be sh*t again with proper fans....f**k OFF WHINGING

7 minutes ago, Argo said:

There's more than one way to gain stability.

Answer me this, how many captains did the supposed beacon's of stability United and especially Arsenal have in the 13 years of Terry's reign as skipper?

Then why wasn't Lampard sacked last season when we lost 5/8? Why wasn't he sacked when we won a mere 4 out of 14? 

Why wasn't Sarri sacked when he had a three month rut which involved delivering our two worst negative scorelines in two decades in the space of three weeks?

Why was Jose given five months to fix an all time collapse?

Are you trying to compare the stability of having the same captain as the same manager?? They are not synonymous.

 

in terms of those managerial points you’ve raised. To clarify you’ve managed to pick out 3 in the last 15-20 almost years of Romans ownership for examples so that’s not a great start, but anyway;

Example 1 - Lampard the rookie manager we hired integrating a team of young players during a transfer ban after losing the best player in the league. Oh yeah, and the club legend bit - quite obvious why not if you think of it.

 

Example 2 - good question, i truly do not know why either.

 

Example 3 - That’ll be the most successful and best manager that the club has ever had? - again quite obvious why he was given the time.

 

But congratulations, you have one example out of 15-20 years, if that successfully proves your point for you I’m happy for you. I’m satisfied Pep telling us to f**k off proves my point that well... Pep told us to f**k off which is what my original point here was that we could never be set up like City.

Edited January 25, 20215 yr by EdinburghBlue

Some time to reflect today and I know I am about to state the bleedin obvious as Basil fawlty would say but i think this sacking more than ever finally confirms to me that it is all about money (yes nieice prick I am)

In any other business if you bring in a young manager you training them and nurture them for the long term good. Or else you bring someone in of experience who can get the job done. 

so Roman, Bruce et al, tell us it is all about the dosh, we won’t mind, we will appreciate the honestly, it will finally distance you from us but who cares in this day and age you will have your take of the tV revenue, and when the time comes you will pack out the stadium to tourists. We really don’t care just be honest with us 

well that’s my view anyway 

best of luck Frank I got the feeling this is  not the end for you and Chelsea by a long way 

right where’s their bottle of Gin I started ? 

One thing is certain with football manager ship, the sack or a statue. Our owner and board are more than happy to wield the axe in search of success and largely this has worked. Football is a cutthroat business no time to hang about. I am though disappointed with some of our fan base who couldn’t even give ‘one of our own’ longer than 30 days to vociferously call for his head after a run of admittedly poor results. Surely Frank deserved better? maybe not this is now the voice of the modern fan. I look back now and realise I was lucky to share the terraces with fellow fans and be involved with the game in the 70s and 80s. Thanks Frank,one of the best.

14 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Example 1 - Lampard the rookie manager we hired integrating a team of young players during a transfer ban after losing the best player in the league - quite obvious why not if you think of it..

But it was a sign of trouble, and he wasn't sacked. Yes you can say reduced expectations and that's a fair point but that run was relegation fighting results, and it went on for months.

14 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Example 3 - That’ll be the most successful and best manager that the club has ever had? - again quite obvious why he was given the time.

So surely that alone proves that if a manager is successful they will get a decent amount of time to fix things if they have credit in the bank? If someone got half a season despite genuine relegation danger, then someone won't get sacked at "the first sign of trouble" if they win?

14 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

But congratulations, you have one example out of 15-20 years, if that successfully proves your point for you I’m happy for you. I’m satisfied Pep telling us to f**k off proves my point that well... Pep told us to f**k off which is what my original point here was that we could never be set up like City.

You say i've "only given one example" and you've literally done the exact same thing. Also funny you mention Pep because when asked about it in his presser today he pretty much gave his seal of approval to the decision.

https://twitter.com/StatCity/status/1353696381882544128

 

Edited January 25, 20215 yr by Argo

29 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

It's like touching the cut even though you know it's gonna hurt. I keep on reading all the reports almost gloating at this.

Last season was one of the most enjoyable I've had in many years. Youth players brought on, some decent football, a sense of the club and what it has meant to me for all those years was back in me, and led by someone who was there throughout.

Hand on heart I knew it was going to end badly because it always does with us.

Frank will get over it and move on, so will I, but I'm gutted right now.

 

Spot on carlo. Your second paragraph is the key part and reading through all the comments this evening, something I don't think posters like Argo, slojo and a good few others will ever understand or truly relate to.

Yes of course we will move on. Life is like that, but they are entirely, completely, missing the point. Next season Roman's new faddy fashionable manager may have Mbappe, Neymar and Varane playing in Blue and we win the Champions League against Madrid 3-0. Yeah, great. We will all enjoy that.

But I can tell you now, hand on heart, 100%, that personally I would rather have a League Cup Final win over Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool, insert rivals name here, with Frank in charge and a sprinkling of our own home grown players. Old fashioned, unrealistic? I don't care. That would mean more to me.  Because that to me would represent a club identity, a direction, an evolution. I could relate to that, savour that, identify with that far, far more.

Edited January 25, 20215 yr by just

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

But it was a sign of trouble, and he wasn't sacked. Yes you can say reduced expectations and that's a fair point but that run was relegation fighting form, and it went on for months.

So surely that alone proves that if a manager is successful they will get a decent amount of time to fix things if they have credit in the bank? If someone got half a season despite genuine relegation danger, then someone won't get sacked at "the first sign of trouble" if they win?

You say i've "only given one example" and you've literally done the exact same thing. Also funny you mention Pep because when asked about it in his presser today he pretty much gave his seal of approval to the decision.

https://twitter.com/StatCity/status/1353696381882544128

Are you feeling OK? I’ve only used one example because I only need one example. The post I was replying to was relating to City & their football operations set up. I don’t need any other examples? I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make. 
 

If you’re trying to say we could set up like city, the example I’ve given disproves that. If you’re making any other point I’m not sure why you’ve quoted that post of mine other than to he argumentative with me, which you’re welcome to do but at least put it on a relevant post. 
 

We are not set up like City and we will not be set up like City with Roman as owner and the hire and fire culture at the club remains. You can disagree if you want but as I’ve already said multiple times now. The Pep example is more than enough to prove that when we wanted him before he went to City.

4 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Are you feeling OK? 

Ah, mental health shade being thrown, i think i'll leave things here....

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Ah, mental health shade being thrown, i think i'll leave things here....

Jesus Christ that’s a massive leap there 😂 I’ve asked if you’re feeling OK and you’ve reached for that... Quite impressive.

At the end of the day, I guess it's Roman's business and he wants success to keep the sponsors paying good money. I did read that we need to be getting top four because it's super important to us (maybe more so than others) financially. I cannot imagine missing out on top four again would be a good look. It still stings, but I guess the business of football is more important than sentiment and loyalty in the long run. 

18 minutes ago, just said:

But I can tell you now, hand on heart, 100%, that personally I would rather have a League Cup Final win over Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool, insert rivals name here, with Frank in charge and a sprinkling of our own home grown players. Old fashioned, unrealistic? I don't care. That would mean more to me.  Because that to me would represent a club identity, a direction, an evolution. I could relate to that, savour that, identify with that far, far more.

Exactly this for me to.

The crux here for ME is both the club and Lampard should have waited before joining forces, all this could have been avoided had he learnt his trade like most top managers do elsewhere then move to manage Chelsea.
I do think some don’t appreciate the importance of experience especially in a job like this, when you have so many moving parts with players, agents, club officials, the board, sponsors and owner(the order is intentional). If you don’t have experience make sure your backroom staff does so you have wise counsel around you to navigate these choppy waters.

Lampard simply wasn’t ready, too many times he got out coached by managers who had more experience who were managing lower teams and to me it seems these managers got pleasure in beating him. 
Lampard needed at least 3 to 4 seasons at Derby or somewhere else maybe even longer to get a good  understanding of long term management and get good long term consistency in his tactics.

How can a novice manager be ideal for a long term project, with no history of building long term projects?

Like I said this was bound to end in disaster even before he was hire.

Do you think Liverpool fans want Gerrard to be manager, absolutely, would they want him after one year in management, from my Liverpool supporting neighbour and work colleagues absolutely not. 
 

He’s not ready yet.

5 minutes ago, Brutos said:

The crux here for ME is both the club and Lampard should have waited before joining forces, all this could have been avoided had he learnt his trade like most top managers do elsewhere then move to manage Chelsea.
I do think some don’t appreciate the importance of experience especially in a job like this, when you have so many moving parts with players, agents, club officials, the board, sponsors and owner(the order is intentional). If you don’t have experience make sure your backroom staff does so you have wise counsel around you to navigate these choppy waters.

Lampard simply wasn’t ready, too many times he got out coached by managers who had more experience who were managing lower teams and to me it seems these managers got pleasure in beating him. 
Lampard needed at least 3 to 4 seasons at Derby or somewhere else maybe even longer to get a good  understanding of long term management and get good long term consistency in his tactics.

How can a novice manager be ideal for a long term project, with no history of building long term projects?

Like I said this was bound to end in disaster even before he was hire.

Do you think Liverpool fans want Gerrard to be manager, absolutely, would they want him after one year in management, from my Liverpool supporting neighbour and work colleagues absolutely not. 
 

He’s not ready yet.

I concur. Gerrard can leave Rangers after they lift their 65th title 

Yes it was a case of too much, too soon- but I can't hold that against Frank. I really think he'll be back one day.

28 minutes ago, just said:

Spot on carlo. Your second paragraph is the key part and reading through all the comments this evening, something I don't think posters like Argo, slojo and a good few others will ever understand or truly relate to.

Yes of course we will move on. Life is like that, but they are entirely, completely, missing the point. Next season Roman's new faddy fashionable manager may have Mbappe, Neymar and Varane playing in Blue and we win the Champions League against Madrid 3-0. Yeah, great. We will all enjoy that.

But I can tell you now, hand on heart, 100%, that personally I would rather have a League Cup Final win over Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool, insert rivals name here, with Frank in charge and a sprinkling of our own home grown players. Old fashioned, unrealistic? I don't care. That would mean more to me.  Because that to me would represent a club identity, a direction, an evolution. I could relate to that, savour that, identify with that far, far more.

We were almost there! Beating Luton with a hat trick from Tammy, Gilmour dictating the play from the midfield, Mount as captain and Super Frankie Lampard in the dugout felt so good!

Players getting abused now on social media being called snake

 

 

Edited January 25, 20215 yr by Brutos

interesting from Pep