25 minutes ago, dkw said:

He isn't fast, but claiming he now slower than referees because this one time at band cap he was ran past by a ref is ludicrous.  Why is speed do important though, in his position its way down the list of attributes.  

I assumed the claim that he's slower than referees is tongue in cheek. But one of my main weaknesses is that I regularily underestimate the stupidity of people, so it's possible that I'm wrong.

9 hours ago, dkw said:

You keep using that gif as an example, just that one gif. Do you have any other examples rather than just one isolated incident in one game? If I wanted to I could find something similar for pretty much every player in football to hold them in a poor light.

Cmon mate are you really asking for multiple pieces of evidence that Jorginho is slow and poor defending counter attacks? I can go back and find them, but I'm not sure it would say anything that you and I don't already know.

I raise the gif because it captures it so nicely.

6 hours ago, Gol15 said:

These were his numbers at some point:

 

 

6th in interceptions in the whole league, nobody from our club is above him, most passes in final third (again another myth about how he passes backwards all the time, destroyed).

 

 

Only behind Dave when it comes to tackles, I guess another myth destroyed?

Now be a man and admit that you've lost the plot...Thanks in advance. Gilmour with Jorginho as a mentor can become an amazing leader.

 

Gol we can go around again on this but the numbers don't capture the whole picture and the simple facts are that you like Jorginho and Sarriball and I prefer Kante and defensive stability.

Jorginho has lots of assets that honestly we don't really need in Frank's football and lots of weak spots that are an issue. We can go back and forward for a few posts again but I'm not convinced either of us is really going to convince the other.

25 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Gol we can go around again on this but the numbers don't capture the whole picture and the simple facts are that you like Jorginho and Sarriball and I prefer Kante and defensive stability.

Jorginho has lots of assets that honestly we don't really need in Frank's football and lots of weak spots that are an issue. We can go back and forward for a few posts again but I'm not convinced either of us is really going to convince the other.

You're basically going around in every possible thread from different players to different transfers and still talking about the vice captain like he's Drinkwater 

Why don't you reflect on that for a few days, re-evaluate if you honestly know better than Frank Lampard, what Frank Lampard needs, it's very annoying but funny at the same time 

Edited June 17, 20206 yr by Gol15

10 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Gol we can go around again on this but the numbers don't capture the whole picture and the simple facts are that you like Jorginho and Sarriball and I prefer Kante and defensive stability.

Jorginho has lots of assets that honestly we don't really need in Frank's football and lots of weak spots that are an issue. We can go back and forward for a few posts again but I'm not convinced either of us is really going to convince the other.

TBH Jorginho has more assets suited to Frank's football than Kante does. Lamps likes to keep the ball and move. It worked so well throughout large parts of this season, to a point where many fans were not even missing Kante, because Jorginho and Kante looked so good together.

15 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Gol we can go around again on this but the numbers don't capture the whole picture and the simple facts are that you like Jorginho and Sarriball and I prefer Kante and defensive stability.

Jorginho has lots of assets that honestly we don't really need in Frank's football and lots of weak spots that are an issue. We can go back and forward for a few posts again but I'm not convinced either of us is really going to convince the other.

Does Kante even offer defensive stability as a sitting DM? He's a proactive hunter by nature and when he gets bypassed that basically leaves opponents with a free run at our back four. My prime example to that point will be Ozil's goal against us in 16/17.

He's been played in that position in two circumstances from my memory. Once was in Euro16 when he was dropped for the knockout rounds and the other was Conte's first few games which went so well Antonio overhauled the entire system.

I do hope Gilmour is given more minutes to improve on his fabulous first couple of Showings, Kante isn't the instinctive Ball player of Gilmour or Jorginho, but can we utilise his presence and ball winning skills, or is Lampard going to properly revamp our midfield for next season?

Poor performance from Billy today.Never really looked at it from the start, possibly why he hasn't been getting the starts the last two games.  Quite rightly hooked at HT. He will though learn a lot more from today than his previous MoM performances. Pro sport is a demanding life and you get your place in the team cos you deserve it not because your young. Good lesson given by Frank today, expectations are still very high for the young lad.

I guess Messi comparison is put on hold for the moment. 😄 

Poor performance. These are the games that build a succesful career

He is still a very talented kid, and I look forward to seeing more of him. Like I said before, he's still very young. Let the kid learn and grow, don't jump the gun and start putting unnecessary pressure on him.

Because of one very decent pass last week, folks are already calling for him to immediately start every game. Non sense.

 

 

First game after not playing any competitive football for 3 months? I'm not going to hold it against him or any player that played their first game since returning today.

Played out of position, it's no coincidence his best moment of the game came when he dropped to regista which lead to him breaking the lines and culminated in our best chance of the half (Pulisic shot) just like it's no coincidence his best overall performances have come playing regista and his worst higher up.

Edited June 28, 20206 yr by Argo

A Game of opportunities always, because Ross came on and bossed it.

KDB, Messi and Ronaldo had poor games. 

Lampard did right to get him off in the second half, but it does mean nothing, He's still a kid, he's a real baller.

Head up Billy, it happens to every player in the world!

Edited June 28, 20206 yr by IliyaKrostin

Over hyping a talent after a couple good performance always turns out well, I said before stop hyping let him prove himself consistently then hype.

 

I have seen so many young UK talent get hype and fall away

9 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Over hyping a talent after a couple good performance always turns out well, I said before stop hyping let me prove himself consistently then hype.

I have seen so many young UK talent get hype and fall away

He's Scottish but point taken

10 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Over hyping a talent after a couple good performance always turns out well, I said before stop hyping let me prove himself consistently then hype.

I have seen so many young UK talent get hype and fall away

 

It's even worse in the US. Ever heard of Freddy Adu? Yeah, he was supposed to be the next Pele.

He's Scottish but point taken

Scotland is part time of the UK for now anyway...

 
It's even worse in the US. Ever heard of Freddy Adu? Yeah, he was supposed to be the next Pele.

Mate there are so many I can't even list them going all the way back to Theo Willcot who they said would be better than Ronaldo(Brazilian) or Pele the disrespect being shown is unreal.

There is such a looooong list, I can't remember the last truly world class talent maybe Gareth Bale who could have walked into any team worldwide but the rest are just hot air hype. World class talent isn't made over one or two matches you have to prove it week in week out with the caveat there will be the odd bad game here or there.


You never see talent abroad just hype like this by their local media /country.

Before hyping the young man give him at least a half to full season

And people wonder why I was having a go at people comparing him to Scholes after one game, he's still a very young player and those types of comparisons aren't helpful. A poor 45 minutes is nothing, and I hope the sub didn't knock his confidence. 

2 minutes ago, Brutos said:

You never see talent abroad just hype like this by their local media /country.

As a regular visitor to Spain i can assure you that's not true. They went absolute gaga over Ansu Fati!

44 minutes ago, IliyaKrostin said:

KDB, Messi and Ronaldo had poor games. 

Lampard did right to get him off in the second half, but it does mean nothing, He's still a kid, he's a real baller.

Head up Billy, it happens to every player in the world!

Yea I wouldn't be too hard on him, we have been toe to toe against Leicester in recent times it was always going to be a tight game. Though if that had been Jorginho with a bad pass here and there a lot of people would go out of their caves 

The problems for him started after probably 20 seconds in. Hard to come back from massive mistakes. Leicester is a tough side with good midfielders. He got a bit scared and never bounced back. He will bounce back and keep on learning.

1 hour ago, Brutos said:

Over hyping a talent after a couple good performance always turns out well, I said before stop hyping let him prove himself consistently then hype.

 

I have seen so many young UK talent get hype and fall away

Two MOTM on the trot, then 3 months off, then a bad 45 minutes on his return.  i bet you was dying for that 45 minutes to come around, just so you could say 'told you not to hype him'.

Don't you understand people getting excited by young players breaking into the team ? yes some of us do get over zealous, but so what, why should it be a problem for you ? I just dont get it ?