9 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Scored half an hour into his second debut with Leipzig.

I'd be happy to bet £100 with anyone on here than Werner scores at least 3x as many league goals this season than Pulisic or Ziyech.

Out of all the dross we had up front Werner was clearly the most talented and the one who you could easily see performing again in a different team or a different league that suits his limited but specialist skillset.

Edited August 13, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

There you are. Your a foxes expert. Fofana not being sold right?

I have no idea, I haven't worked there for over five years.

31 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

I have no idea, I haven't worked there for over five years.

Damn another source dried up...

Werner already scored for Leipzig

A lot of space for him there to run into but he takes a long shot instead which he never did for us. Then the shot was an easy save but goes in..

8 hours ago, azpi28 said:

Werner already scored for Leipzig

Built up play instead of just playing players out of position. 

It' a different league with different standard, how much time he had on the ball to aim a spot to hit, even after that it's a regulation save for most Championship level GK.  I'm happy for him, but let's not make it as he just became a great player because he left Chelsea.

5 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

It' a different league with different standard, how much time he had on the ball to aim a spot to hit, even after that it's a regulation save for most Championship level GK.  I'm happy for him, but let's not make it as he just became a great player because he left Chelsea.

I said in another thread that I laughed when I watched the goal. Not just at the goal-keeper howler, but at Werner's appalling first touch where the ball bounces off him 5 yards away. 90 times out of a hundred in the EPL that awful touch allows opponents to hoover it up.

19 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

I'd be happy to bet £100 with anyone on here than Werner scores at least 3x as many league goals this season than Pulisic or Ziyech.

Out of all the dross we had up front Werner was clearly the most talented and the one who you could easily see performing again in a different team or a different league that suits his limited but specialist skillset.

I don't disagree with you but looking at some of the evidence in front of us Ziyech would score three times as many goals in a weaker league like the Bundesliga or Serie A than he would for us this season.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

I don't disagree with you but looking at some of the evidence in front of us Ziyech would score three times as many goals in a weaker league like the Bundesliga or Serie A than he would for us this season.

Well most players score more goals in weaker leagues.  Everyone but our American flop anyway.

But it's quite telling there's no interest in either Pulisic or Ziyech from any league.  We've apparently offered Pulisic to 2 Serie A clubs this season who turned him down.  Milan aren't keen on paying 8m for Ziyech. No one is keen on paying our 8m asking price apparently.

It's a sad state of affairs when we're moving on players like Werner before much less talented and capable options because he was the only one any club is actually interested in.

Edited August 14, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

22 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Well most players score more goals in weaker leagues.  Everyone but our American flop anyway.

But it's quite telling there's no interest in either Pulisic or Ziyech from any league.  We've apparently offered Pulisic to 2 Serie A clubs this season who turned him down.  Milan aren't keen on paying 8m for Ziyech. No one is keen on paying our 8m asking price apparently.

It's a sad state of affairs when we're moving on players like Werner before much less talented and capable options because he was the only one any club is actually interested in.

What also concerns me is that it us the same in house team doing this which is slowing everything up.

We need to commit the funds that we can pay now  recoveries from sales should bolster the following pot, not this. We need to have an inwards team and an outwards team.

The inwards team need to get their deals done no later really than next weekend to allow the other clubs to replace.

The outwards team need to separately move on Alonso,  Ziyech, RLC, CHO (maybe loan)  Gilmour, Possibly Barkley and Pulisic if the US owners allow it. Maybe Jorginho as he is in his last year.

Any money from sales then can go towards the winter window if necessary 

28 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

What also concerns me is that it us the same in house team doing this which is slowing everything up.

We need to commit the funds that we can pay now  recoveries from sales should bolster the following pot, not this. We need to have an inwards team and an outwards team.

The inwards team need to get their deals done no later really than next weekend to allow the other clubs to replace.

The outwards team need to separately move on Alonso,  Ziyech, RLC, CHO (maybe loan)  Gilmour, Possibly Barkley and Pulisic if the US owners allow it. Maybe Jorginho as he is in his last year.

Any money from sales then can go towards the winter window if necessary 

Boehly should have got rid of Marina on day 1 given how terrible she was at her job.

But it's a concern how he didn't have a negotiating team to bring in immediately, you'd have hoped he'd at least spoken to possible candidates who would be able to come in and handle our transfer window during the bidding process.

Boehly deciding to lone wolf it and do everything himself was a big shock and while he's primarily been focused on bringing people in I think he's likely been shocked himself on how little interest there is in our deadwood.

Seems like he was still operating under the framework of American sports were you can just package a player you don't want as part of a trade deal and ship them off.

1 hour ago, HazardousChoice said:

Boehly should have got rid of Marina on day 1 given how terrible she was at her job.

But it's a concern how he didn't have a negotiating team to bring in immediately, you'd have hoped he'd at least spoken to possible candidates who would be able to come in and handle our transfer window during the bidding process.

Boehly deciding to lone wolf it and do everything himself was a big shock and while he's primarily been focused on bringing people in I think he's likely been shocked himself on how little interest there is in our deadwood.

Seems like he was still operating under the framework of American sports were you can just package a player you don't want as part of a trade deal and ship them off.

It's not just the lack of interest in our outgoing players but few people want to come here. Maybe due to the strength of our league, maybe due to an over estimation of our standing in European football by us fans but the reality it that few elite players seem to want to come here. So in my mind they need to lower expectations of player type, trust to the managers system and get players to fit that system.  If it fcks up then well we all know what the problem is.

3 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

Well most players score more goals in weaker leagues.  Everyone but our American flop anyway.

You should give pulisic a rest sometimes there isn’t a need to pull him into every conversation. It’s not his fault we paid 70 mil for him .. and he did a couple of seasons ago be our best player when a system suited him.. 

he also contributed well in our UCL win..the current managers approach to have 10 touches before we enter the final third doesn’t help any of our forwards and this system where he has to play either as a 10 or a wingback is madness .. no wonder he looks so bad..

he is no messi or hazard but still man just chill with your vendetta

7 minutes ago, Jangz said:

You should give pulisic a rest sometimes there isn’t a need to pull him into every conversation. It’s not his fault we paid 70 mil for him .. and he did a couple of seasons ago be our best player when a system suited him.. 

he also contributed well in our UCL win..the current managers approach to have 10 touches before we enter the final third doesn’t help any of our forwards and this system where he has to play either as a 10 or a wingback is madness .. no wonder he looks so bad..

That doesn't explain why he was so bad before Tuchel.  Pulisic has actually had the 2 of the best seasons of his career since Tuchel took over.

He's been the worst attacking player at the club since the day he signed.  In his 1st season we went with a front 3 of Puli - Tammy and Willian for much of the season with the latter 2 looking levels above him all season and outperforming his even considering his once in a career purple patch.

And his lack of talent is the reason it wasn't a good decision to sell Timo.

Timo hasn't worked for us and I think we can all see he isn't suited for us but he's drastically outperformed Pulisic in both seasons he's been here.   Timo averaged more goals a season for us than Pulisics highest goal scoring season in his career.  There's just a massive gulf between them.

And because the replacements are so bad we've indisputably weakened the squad by selling Timo and we're now in a position where we're desperate for Aubameyang and imo at least 1 other forward to come in after the season has started.

90% of our problems stem from a lack of talent in attacking areas, the player that has been poor for all 7 seasons of his career going into an 8th season here exemplifies that.

 

He was at the game today. Good lad.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChP_wAygeYa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

6 hours ago, CaitlinCFC said:

Caitlin if that is actually a genuine quote from Silva it raises a few interesting questions. Who are those players that "pretend" to love Chelsea?

45 minutes ago, just said:

Caitlin if that is actually a genuine quote from Silva it raises a few interesting questions. Who are those players that "pretend" to love Chelsea?

Jorginho, obviously 😉

On 14/08/2022 at 14:30, WhiteWall said:

It's not just the lack of interest in our outgoing players but few people want to come here. Maybe due to the strength of our league, maybe due to an over estimation of our standing in European football by us fans but the reality it that few elite players seem to want to come here. So in my mind they need to lower expectations of player type, trust to the managers system and get players to fit that system.  If it fcks up then well we all know what the problem is.

Truth of matter is that, we like to big up our league and yeah it may be a pretty darn good league however let's not forget, in top European Leagues,  all the cities the elite clubs are from blow every top club in England's home cities. 

Maybe there's an argument for London but even then, the crap weather in UK p quickly dilutes the strength of that attraction. 

At the level elite players are at, in terms of pay, they will be happy to earn less in what they might perceive to be a city that provides them and their family a better quality of life. 

Why do you think our (league in general) USP for sometime now has been the huge wages we could offer compared to the rest of Europe. We've got players on the bench earning more than some players in good first teams across Europe.

Knock on effect..... When they don't do well or become deadwood as some would call them, they are difficult to shift. 

1 hour ago, just said:

Caitlin if that is actually a genuine quote from Silva it raises a few interesting questions. Who are those players that "pretend" to love Chelsea?

Lukaku is a major one, but you can't really accuse anyone of pretending to love us if they never said they did so looking at our squad nobody else is guilty of that.

What a classy guy! 🙌

16 hours ago, just said:

Caitlin if that is actually a genuine quote from Silva it raises a few interesting questions. Who are those players that "pretend" to love Chelsea?

I cannot validate it as it was sent to me like that just but it looks clickbaity from social media. Timo seems to be like that but I dunno if Thiago actually said that. Thiago's wife had a different opinion about a year or so ago 🙂

All gone a but quiet on here since Werner wasn't impressing against a German team with a milkman in midfield and a nursery teacher in nets 

Latest performance by him brought about this report.

'Christopher Nkunku and Timo Werner were barely heard from all day'

He has gone backwards, at least with us he got caught offside.