On 15/12/2020 at 16:40, big blue said:

Werner isnt being used correctly, too wide, too restricted, too much tracking back required.

However he needs to show some fight and determination, he is coming is to his prime, and he should be hungry, I can excuse this sort of performance by Havertz to some extent, he is younger,  and has had covid hit him pretty hard, but Werner needs to start acting like a big player, and show some arrogance and grit.

You pay the big money for the big players, because they turn up against good teams and take responsibility to get the team a result. He has shown it in glimpses, but in this busy period, especially with Ziyech out, and Havertz way off the pace, Werner needs to step up.

I missed this post, but to me that is telling.  Yes we have a shortage of wingers, but we are limited ourselves in the way we cover.  That graphic is pretty shocking actually, and mismanagement.

To me, that is compounded by the style of football we adopt with Giroud leading the line.  We end up with soft floaty crosses from deep, easily defended by a low block.  I understand Giroud is arguably our most inform striker, but it is almost to the detriment of the team performance and plays into the opposition hands.

On 19/12/2020 at 15:21, mm24 said:

Feel sorry for Werner.The amount of times I see him making a run with nobody even trying to find that pass for him...Only ones that try and do that are Joringho and Ziyech and both of them are more on the stands than in the team.The guy was phenomenal for us up until a month ago.I really don't think he's the problem.

With James out, we only have Chilwell capable of finding a player. At this point it's a must to play Werner centrally and Mount and Havertz have to contribute more from now on.

His finishing is obviously becoming a massive problem.

It's atrocious,

He won't play in the middle any time soon, especially when Tammy is firing again. He needs to get used to playing wide.

At least he's not hiding and not even getting chances. Hopefully he'll score a couple soon and get some confidence back.

 

 

Sure I've posted this about 50 times over the years on this forum.

The amount of good chances he gets is ridiculous. Should be on 15 goals already. Really needs to show some composure. Ive been there myself, and when the confidence is high, time seems to stand still, like a sniper taking a breath before a shot, and you can put the ball wherever you want. 

At the moment, his touch is always an issue, and he us always chasing the shot and not giving himself thinking time. 

Still confident he will score a boatload of goals for us though, eventually the chances will go in, we have seen his record in Germany.

7 minutes ago, big blue said:

The amount of good chances he gets is ridiculous. Should be on 15 goals already. Really needs to show some composure. Ive been there myself, and when the confidence is high, time seems to stand still, like a sniper taking a breath before a shot, and you can put the ball wherever you want. 

At the moment, his touch is always an issue, and he us always chasing the shot and not giving himself thinking time. 

Still confident he will score a boatload of goals for us though, eventually the chances will go in, we have seen his record in Germany.

His mental strength is low and he's not in the zone at all he's just forcing it too much. Crazy how such a proven goal scorer is slowly becoming very inefficient, he should have scored twice tonight.

Badly needs a goal to help with his confidence.

He doesn’t go hiding though and I think he looks more dangerous when Tammy plays as Tammy is fast and can create space for Timo.

I say play him against Wycombe if we have to to help get him on track if it comes down to it.

His finishing is absolutely atrocious. His position has nothing to do with his ability to finish chances. If Frank is playing players on form then as soon as we have fit wingers, he’s out the team. He’s behind both Giroud and Abraham based on form. He’s missed so many sitters this year it’s incredible. It actually reminds me of Morata which is really, really worrying.

I totally get he’s out of position but that shouldn’t affect his ability to finish. 
 

Maybe a break out of the team would do him the world of good. I really hope he comes good as he seems like a really nice bloke.

Some of his shots today were ok, it's not Morata level pea roller to the keepers arms or rolling it out wide. But if he doesn't score soon it could get to that point, I feel like that last chance just had to go in but now who knows what is going through his head.

He'll come good. Today he should have scored at least 2. He just relies on shot volume, he scores lots and misses lots. Another day and both go in and he's getting all the praise. 

Real issue is that neither Pulisic or Werner really like playing on the right but one has to play there until CHO and Ziyech are back to full fitness.

Oh alright, next match I will not predict him as our first scorer as it has obviously jinxed him 4 matches in a row. He's surely to score now.

2 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Oh alright, next match I will not predict him as our first scorer as it has obviously jinxed him 4 matches in a row. He's surely to score now.

witch !!!!!!!!!

1 minute ago, coco said:

witch !!!!!!!!!

Awwww, that's the nicest thing you ever said to me 

10 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Awwww, that's the nicest thing you ever said to me 

i shall try harder.

I think there's both a huge amount of hyperbole and over-simplication as a football fan. In Timo's case, hyperbole in that when a player hits bad run of form, they are finished/lost their ability. Over-simplifcation also in his case, in that he fits the "Chelsea have a striker curse" narrative.

Timo isn't Morata, Shevchenko or Torres. All tier 1 strikers who - for reasons applying to their own style of play, our team and confidence in their surroundings at the time- didn't make it as our front man. Personally I feel we've seen far more in Timo's overall contribution (ie. stepping up as penalty taker, assists and overall tenacity and creativity) compared to any of them within their start and in any case- comparison is redundant as they are all completely different players.

14 games into our 2004/05 season another much-heralded striker hadn't made much of an impression.

48 minutes ago, big blue said:

The amount of good chances he gets is ridiculous. Should be on 15 goals already. Really needs to show some composure. Ive been there myself,

Your team mates from last season called, they said you still are

Werner has made a career out of blasting shots past the keeper yet this current version seems to have him overthink, mish*tting piddling shots that are easy saves. It almost certainly is a confidence thing but I genuinely think the solution is Lamps putting his arm around him and saying "when you get a chance, blast it and don't worry about the consequences".  

Werner's form reminds me a little of Drogba 04-05, who later admitted he was so mentally bogged down by the tactical role Mourinho had set him he couldn't focus on goalscoring. I suspect the same is true of Werner while he is asked to "fill in on the left".

 

That shot he had just before HT straight at the keeper is typical of his shots at the moment, you just want him to be a bit clever and tuck it under the keeper or lift it over him last minute.

20 minutes ago, coco said:

That shot he had just before HT straight at the keeper is typical of his shots at the moment, you just want him to be a bit clever and tuck it under the keeper or lift it over him last minute.

And when he did that, he nearly broke the bar, just shows when your luck is out, its right out..

33 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Your team mates from last season called, they said you still are

Werner has made a career out of blasting shots past the keeper yet this current version seems to have him overthink, mish*tting piddling shots that are easy saves. It almost certainly is a confidence thing but I genuinely think the solution is Lamps putting his arm around him and saying "when you get a chance, blast it and don't worry about the consequences".  

Werner's form reminds me a little of Drogba 04-05, who later admitted he was so mentally bogged down by the tactical role Mourinho had set him he couldn't focus on goalscoring. I suspect the same is true of Werner while he is asked to "fill in on the left".

 

Wish it was only last season i was still playing mate!

1 hour ago, coco said:

witch !!!!!!!!!

Typo on the first letter there fella...

Next penalty he should have it. For the good of the team

He's going to get four one game soon.  And we'll all say should have had eight.  

Just needs a goal badly.  It will come.  

5 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

He's going to get four one game soon.  And we'll all say should have had eight.  

Just needs a goal badly.  It will come.  

Hes on bad form. But who gets this many great and very good chances?  It is unbelievable how its just him and goalie so often.  At least thats a positive. His movement and speed get him where we need him. 

I’m keeping the faith. Not refuting what everyone says about the poor finishing. But there’s also no denying he gets into a lot of goal scoring positions. And he has pace to burn. He’s still adapting to a tough league, he’s still young and he seems to have a great attitude. I’m assuming his confidence will improve and the goals will come. He may never be super clinical but that, along with all the above, is why I see him much more as a number 11 than a number 9. Sorry for repeating myself on that. Whether that’s right or wrong, I’m fairly certain that all these comparisons to Morata and Torres are meaningless. This idea I keep seeing  that there’s some sort of lineage or Chelsea striker hoodoo is pretty nuts when you think about it (how does Drogba fit into that? How would we have ever won anything?) I imagine many others teams’ fans think similar things about their team.