After a few good games, sums up football fans in an nutshell, Cucurella before that was horrendous.

3 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

After a few good games, sums up football fans in an nutshell, Cucurella before that was horrendous.

But clinging onto form from 3 years ago is fine....

6 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Negative. Limited system player that Maresca has found a role for in his current system. Lets not pretend Cucurella is some incredible athlete all of a sudden. 

Loved Chilwell a few years ago

But he's clearly missing something. And Cucu has been fantastic for us for a while now. 

15 hours ago, Argo said:

But clinging onto form from 3 years ago is fine....

 Hi Argo

 

I don't think anyone is saying Chilwell is the the same player he used to be.

Comments from supposedly Chelsea "fans" about one of our  players who has had injuries since his great contribution to the team just aren't what myself and others seem to be appropriate coming from the Chelsea fan community.  It's probably from just the internet community anyway, which is always full of hate and bile .

 

25 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

 Hi Argo

 

I don't think anyone is saying Chilwell is the the same player he used to be.

Comments from supposedly Chelsea "fans" about one of our  players who has had injuries since his great contribution to the team just aren't what myself and others seem to be appropriate coming from the Chelsea fan community.  It's probably from just the internet community anyway, which is always full of hate and bile .

 

I agree that the abuse is uncalled for (it's more on twitter/X than anything else, and they were still doing it when he was top anyway for some reason).

However I do feel when I hear he's our best LB that many are clinging onto to what he was, for me it's the equivalent of saying Essien was our best midfielder in 2012.

On 14/12/2024 at 22:30, Argo said:

Very much doubt they'll come back to us after Mount.

Unless we tell them that Chilly is the key that makes Mount work, mwah, mwah, mwah!!

I think judging Chilly is a bit harsh to be honest.

He certainly has been made of biscuits throughout and probably was never quiet as good as people think, due to the old absence making players indispensable myth.

But saying he is a shadow of his former self, might be true but might not. He was sidelined here through policy, not through form. It may have been dressed up as not being capable of playing to a certain system but everybody knows it was a policy decision. Why? Well Maresca has played a system before where the LB has played as a LB, getting up and down the wing but essentially defending. The LB hasn't always been the inverting one. Furthermore there are other examples of the club trying to "starve out" players that are no longer part of the model financially.

Whilst no football for 2 years or more should probably have had a negative affect, stating his form has rapidly declined when there has been no examples to cite this as any form of proof.  Ergo, if he hasn't played how do we know if he is suddenly sh*t.

The likeliest scenario of course is that Maresca could call him up for Everton to cover for Cucurella and Chilly will get bloody injured anyway.

 

Is it not a bit confusing that there seems to be no noise around Chilwell moving on somewhere? It's not like it's not been clear that he's not part of the plans for a while. You'd have thought a well-run org would have had the deal done for Jan 1st?

 

 

19 minutes ago, theGreenBaron said:

Is it not a bit confusing that there seems to be no noise around Chilwell moving on somewhere? It's not like it's not been clear that he's not part of the plans for a while. You'd have thought a well-run org would have had the deal done for Jan 1st?

So either we're not a well-run organisation or there is no deal in place for Chilwell.  Or both. I can see why you are confused 

So playing devil's advocate, no takers for a  highly injury prone left back whose best days are probably behind him, who isn't wanted even as a back up by his current club, who would cost a lot of money because his club somehow think he's still worth a lot of money, with the icing on the cake being that he's also on £200K a week. 

Hard to see how any deal gets done here ? 

I hope he gets at least a loan somewhere, but suspect we'll have to pay minimum half his wages even for that ... 

12 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

So playing devil's advocate, no takers for a  highly injury prone left back whose best days are probably behind him, who isn't wanted even as a back up by his current club, who would cost a lot of money because his club somehow think he's still worth a lot of money, with the icing on the cake being that he's also on £200K a week. 

Hard to see how any deal gets done here ? 

I hope he gets at least a loan somewhere, but suspect we'll have to pay minimum half his wages even for that ... 

It shouldn't be to hard to take him on loan at 50% wages... and as for his fitness issues.. it seems Seria A instantly cures all injury prone players. Its also pretty much now the reserve leage for english tallent who arn't quite top tier but don't want to drop down the lower end of the the prem 

24 minutes ago, theGreenBaron said:

It shouldn't be to hard to take him on loan at 50% wages... and as for his fitness issues.. it seems Seria A instantly cures all injury prone players. Its also pretty much now the reserve leage for english tallent who arn't quite top tier but don't want to drop down the lower end of the the prem 

Problem is Serie A clubs have no money. £17m was all we could get for Pulisic (who cost us £58m) for example

15 hours ago, theGreenBaron said:

It shouldn't be to hard to take him on loan at 50% wages... and as for his fitness issues.. it seems Seria A instantly cures all injury prone players. Its also pretty much now the reserve leage for english tallent who arn't quite top tier but don't want to drop down the lower end of the the prem 

They will take him but not for 100k + loan fee. 

 

47 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

They will take him but not for 100k + loan fee. 

 

That's also assuming Ben even wants to go to Italy. He may be happy enough to collect his pay till his deal runs out, as he is entitled to do.

Has any manager ever called his players the worst set of players in a club’s history and survived in the role?

Amorim’s approach seems to be that he is doing a club a favour by being there. I don’t understand how you pay off Ten Haag, pay off Amorim’s previous employers and he is allowed to just allow the club to go into free fall all in the name of “principles”. That is close to £30m just to tank the season. 

33 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

That's also assuming Ben even wants to go to Italy. He may be happy enough to collect his pay till his deal runs out, as he is entitled to do.

I think that is what is happening here, and I can’t blame him. Club tried to be too clever by telling these players to walk away from their contracts without paying them off. Normally you would think if they reduced their demands to around £20m instead of insisting on getting back the £50m fee paid, pay him off with £7.5m, and take a loss of £5m (think he has a book value of £17.5m) that would seem better than just watching him pick up £200k/w weekly for training. He isn’t walking away from £25m in wages unless he is paid off somehow. No other club will come close to those wages.

10 hours ago, ducavis said:

Has any manager ever called his players the worst set of players in a club’s history and survived in the role?

Amorim’s approach seems to be that he is doing a club a favour by being there. I don’t understand how you pay off Ten Haag, pay off Amorim’s previous employers and he is allowed to just allow the club to go into free fall all in the name of “principles”. That is close to £30m just to tank the season. 

I would love to see them get relegated.

10 hours ago, ducavis said:

I think that is what is happening here, and I can’t blame him. Club tried to be too clever by telling these players to walk away from their contracts without paying them off. Normally you would think if they reduced their demands to around £20m instead of insisting on getting back the £50m fee paid, pay him off with £7.5m, and take a loss of £5m (think he has a book value of £17.5m) that would seem better than just watching him pick up £200k/w weekly for training. He isn’t walking away from £25m in wages unless he is paid off somehow. No other club will come close to those wages.

I can't agree with your arithmetic, but the sentiment is spot on 🙂 

Another window passes and Chilwell unlikely to move again. 

What positive do we actually have in keeping him behind closed doors? Why have we not used him at least in cup games, he could have shone in the conference league and gained some interest. The people upstairs have no clue what they're doing. 

He may well end up going the way of Drinkwater.

Wages too high for other clubs to be interested in, Ben naturally does not want to give up money he has been promised, club not looking to pay him off to leave hoping if he sees his career rotting he will give the money up to leave.

There are just too many politics warped with incompetent practices that'll drive any fan mad. 

February 1st is going to be an interesting morning. 

13 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

There are just too many politics warped with incompetent practices that'll drive any fan mad. 

February 1st is going to be an interesting morning. 

February 4th.

Window shuts on 3rd at 23:00 !

25 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

He may well end up going the way of Drinkwater.

Wages too high for other clubs to be interested in, Ben naturally does not want to give up money he has been promised, club not looking to pay him off to leave hoping if he sees his career rotting he will give the money up to leave.

If they want him to leave, it will probably require a free transfer, and a settlement offer to Chilwell of £5-10m.

Chilly holding all the cards, as long as he's happy just to train and not play football

Edited January 29, 20251 yr by Sexyfootball

5 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

If they want him to leave, it will probably require a free transfer, and a settlement offer to Chilwell of £5-10m.

Chilly holding all the cards, as long as he's happy just to train and not play football

1) I highly doubt Chilwell is happy to stay another 2 years without playing football, especially not when England has a shortage of LB's at the moment and there's an upcoming world cup. 

2) The settlement fee there is around what they would get, if not more, if they just loaned him out. We are paying his wages regardless, might as well try and get some loan fees out of it with the upside of potentially getting more interest at top clubs and him more willing to leave. 

This whole situation has been badly mismanaged. 

9 minutes ago, Remodez said:

1) I highly doubt Chilwell is happy to stay another 2 years without playing football, especially not when England has a shortage of LB's at the moment and there's an upcoming world cup. 

2) The settlement fee there is around what they would get, if not more, if they just loaned him out. We are paying his wages regardless, might as well try and get some loan fees out of it with the upside of potentially getting more interest at top clubs and him more willing to leave. 

This whole situation has been badly mismanaged. 

Are you sure about this? If he wasn’t happy he could agree to mutually terminate his contract and walk away from a £30m contract. Willian walked away from his Arsenal contract when Arteta iced him.
 

Everton want him but our lot are being funny with terminating Broja’s loan deal.