On 14/09/2024 at 22:27, PloKoon13 said:

You think you can't recover from an ACL injury? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54625081

 

To be fair - aside from Virgil, none of those on there were ever players who relied on pace - and even Virgil is mostly positioning. This is unlike  chilly who as a wide player needs pace and lots of running

Edited September 17, 20241 yr by nonotnowjim

On 14/09/2024 at 19:27, PloKoon13 said:

Cucurella was part of a team who won an international trophy. This plodding ersatz of top-level football didn't quite exorcise Harry Kane, but it did admit dynamism enthusiast Jorginho a few years ago. International football is no longer relevant when talking about elite football.

You could ask the same question of everyone in the squad. Why is there any question about Chilwell specifically when his only real fault was the red against Réal when we has more or less given up on the season?

You think you can't recover from an ACL injury? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54625081

 

I think you can. My point of doubt is when said injuries manifest into a prolonged spell of bad form which at that point I question whether is it just form or if it is simply their present day level? It was the latter case with Essien and Torres.

James is out a lot but when he does play he more often than not walses back in like he hasn't missed a beat.

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

To be fair - aside from Virgil, none of those on there were ever players who relied on pace - and even Virgil is mostly positioning. This is unlike  chilly who as a wide player needs pace and lots of running

It's always a shot in the dark if a player comes back to full form. Azpilicueta did his knee early in his career also. 

With Chilwell I think its a combination of the knee injuries and multiple hamstring tears. 

I'm not sure where the narrative that Chilwell has been in poor form after injury is coming from. Since recurring injury he has played well in the team, despite being used chaotically out of role and position by several managers.

7 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

I'm not sure where the narrative that Chilwell has been in poor form after injury is coming from. Since recurring injury he has played well in the team, despite being used chaotically out of role and position by several managers.

I don't think Chilwell was great last season. 

If the plan is to play inverted fb, I there is no spot for Chilwell. But with Sancho as lw, it is crazy if we don't consider our best runner as lb. 

 

Edited September 18, 20241 yr by Bob stark

It’s awful to say but the modern game has just passed by Chilwell unfortunately, no ‘top’ team plays with a proper overlapping fullback anymore making him pretty redundant. With the wages he’s on as well those that are suited to him can’t afford him.

45 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

It’s awful to say but the modern game has just passed by Chilwell unfortunately, no ‘top’ team plays with a proper overlapping fullback anymore making him pretty redundant. With the wages he’s on as well those that are suited to him can’t afford him.

This simply isn't true unless your definition of top team includes only City and Arsenal. 

Just now, Remodez said:

This simply isn't true unless your definition of top team includes only City and Arsenal. 

Logically to move from us. Who is a contender in the Prem? Arsenal, City or Scousers. None of them would play to Chilwell’s strength. He’d have to move to a Wolves/West Ham level club to play in his best position.

I'm all on board for the Chilwell redemption arc.

21 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Logically to move from us. Who is a contender in the Prem? Arsenal, City or Scousers. None of them would play to Chilwell’s strength. He’d have to move to a Wolves/West Ham level club to play in his best position.

He do the Robertson role perfectly at Liverpool. 

4 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

He do the Robertson role perfectly at Liverpool. 

But he’s not better than Robertson. 

1 hour ago, The Boehly Babes said:

But he’s not better than Robertson. 

That wasn't your point though?

23 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

It’s awful to say but the modern game has just passed by Chilwell unfortunately, no ‘top’ team plays with a proper overlapping fullback anymore making him pretty redundant. With the wages he’s on as well those that are suited to him can’t afford him.

You said the modern game doesn't allow for players of the Chilwell architype.

22 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Logically to move from us. Who is a contender in the Prem? Arsenal, City or Scousers. None of them would play to Chilwell’s strength. He’d have to move to a Wolves/West Ham level club to play in his best position.

Then you said Liverpool wouldn't play to Chilwell's strengths. Only 'small' teams like Wolves or West Ham would dare play with a archaic traditional full back!

1 hour ago, The Boehly Babes said:

But he’s not better than Robertson. 

Now a top team like Liverpool play with a player in the style of Chilwell, but he simply isn't good enough. 

We absolutely can play and compete with modern full backs and seeing Chilwell overlapping Sancho would have more end product than cucurella doing it. Whether his body can handle it is another point. Fed up of this view that teams can only compete if their full back can invert and complete eighty 1-2's with a player 3 meters per game. I've never been more bored of football since Pep and Arteta made it popular to be risk averse to the maximum. 

Edited September 19, 20241 yr by Ukraine Bolt

On 18/09/2024 at 19:12, The Boehly Babes said:

It’s awful to say but the modern game has just passed by Chilwell unfortunately, no ‘top’ team plays with a proper overlapping fullback anymore making him pretty redundant. With the wages he’s on as well those that are suited to him can’t afford him.

Football had apparently passed by from 3-at-the-back formations, until Conte stormed to a league title in 2017.

Then in the 2020s we were told football had again passed by the 3-4-3, until Tuchel revived it to dominate Europe and give Guardiola an aneurysm.

More pertinently, we were told that football had passed by inverted fullbacks in the late 1990s, and overlapping fullbacks were the future - now look at us. Inverted fullbacks make for attacking and defensive tactics sheets that look like formations from the 50s and 60s.

Football never truly moves on from anything. Tactics are just a way to get your best players on the pitch to do their thing. Successful managers are the ones that realise this and consequently set trends, failures are the ones that merely try to adopt them.

Edited September 20, 20241 yr by SydneyChelsea

6 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Football had apparently passed by from 3-at-the-back formations, until Conte stormed to a league title in 2017.

Then in the 2020s we were told football had again passed by the 3-4-3, until Tuchel revived it to dominate Europe and give Guardiola an aneurysm.

More pertinently, we were told that football had passed by inverted fullbacks in the late 1990s, and overlapping fullbacks were the future - now look at us. Inverted fullbacks make for attacking and defensive tactics sheets that look like formations from the 50s and 60s.

Football never truly moves on from anything. Tactics are just a way to get your best players on the pitch to do their thing. Successful managers are the ones that realise this and consequently set trends, failures are the ones that merely try to adopt them.

Just a few years ago, everyone say big no 9 is useless, false 9 is the new way of playing . Now everyone want big no 9.

Anyone know what’s actually happened with Chilwell?

Not even a minute played. I wonder if he had a bust up with Maresca in pre season or something.

Just now, dansubrosa said:

Anyone know what’s actually happened with Chilwell?

Not even a minute played. I wonder if he had a bust up with Maresca in pre season or something.

He's not in the conference squad so can't play. He did play a league cup game

8 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Anyone know what’s actually happened with Chilwell?

Not even a minute played. I wonder if he had a bust up with Maresca in pre season or something.

Assume they just desperately want him gone and are excluding him completely to make sure he does so in January.

On 20/09/2024 at 02:17, SydneyChelsea said:

Football had apparently passed by from 3-at-the-back formations, until Conte stormed to a league title in 2017.

Then in the 2020s we were told football had again passed by the 3-4-3, until Tuchel revived it to dominate Europe and give Guardiola an aneurysm.

More pertinently, we were told that football had passed by inverted fullbacks in the late 1990s, and overlapping fullbacks were the future - now look at us. Inverted fullbacks make for attacking and defensive tactics sheets that look like formations from the 50s and 60s.

Football never truly moves on from anything. Tactics are just a way to get your best players on the pitch to do their thing. Successful managers are the ones that realise this and consequently set trends, failures are the ones that merely try to adopt them.

I know all systems are to a great extent but 3 at the back is player dependant to a whole new level (especially at wingback).

Could be quite the meta formation when you have them (as we found out twice) but when you don't it quickly looks disjointed (as we also found out twice).

Completely bonkers the way that him and Carney have pretty much been frozen out. Chilwell was last seasons vice captain and Carney was signed by the new owners for £20m. Really short sighted in my opinion. 

He deserves top flight football somewhere.

It's a disgrace - the treatment for of a player that helped us win the champions league has been absolutely disgusting. 

All while worse players (Baddy, Disasi, Wacko, Misha, Madueke) all regularly get games. 

From a footballing perspective, I trust Maresca’s judgment and it’s been clear since August that Chilwell was not in his plans. This is acceptable, albeit a tough pill to swallow from a player that was once so effective. His availability over last 3 years has been poor, and I wonder if he really rubbed Chelsea the wrong way last year being out for so long, playing for England and then being out for remainder of season 

That said, comparisons could be made to Reece regarding availability. Beyond that, the way we handled it does seem a little ruthless and tough for fans to see. 

Loved him for his contributions but I think he should be handing out CVs to other clubs. I wish him the very best, I'd rather see him play at like a Barca or Bayern and perform well.

Still only 27 with a lot of games to play and life to live. I know he can work in Maresca's team but as the great saying goes "The best Ability is Availability". After his injury playing for England, it's tough to say if he has the trust of the club

It's unfortunate, I like chilly but it's the same as chucky, he was told he won't be getting any playing time. 

Maybe he wants out of footy and is just staying to receive a paycheck. Or maybe hes looking to move on but no one came knocking so far...or maybe he's injured again.

Tbh, imo, that's really upto him, he's done quite a bit for the club and hold nothing against him. I'm sure one of the other clubs will go for him in the summer...if he has a decent price tag. Owners took a cut on Gallagher, I'm sure they won't stand in chillys way if he wants to go 

Last few transfer windows have been tough for everyone though. Every club was watching the pennies in and out. 

 

Wish him well, wherever he goes...

 

Not particularly that bothered tbh, get rid. He's been absolute pants for years and he's usually only available 1/2 of the season due to injuries.

Not worth the wage bill, agree with Maresca on this one.