1 hour ago, just said:

Interesting take on how differently Klopp and TT prepared for the penalty shoot out.

https://www.givemesport.com/88008340-jurgen-klopp-got-psychological-edge-over-tuchel-before-fa-cup-final-penalty-shoot-out

 

Good analysis.

End of the day TT is a very good manager. He is not as good as Pep or Klopp imo, and thus showed one way Klopp is ahead.

Tuchel is a comfortable 3rd imo. But yes I still believe he's ways from Pep/Klopp. 

Give him time and backing, who knows where he'll be. 

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22 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

I think a lot of it is that our transfer policy in the 6 years since Emenalo left has been dreadful and has been papered over due to the success of our academy prospects. 

I would pay Michael Edwards whatever he wants 

2 hours ago, just said:

Interesting take on how differently Klopp and TT prepared for the penalty shoot out.

https://www.givemesport.com/88008340-jurgen-klopp-got-psychological-edge-over-tuchel-before-fa-cup-final-penalty-shoot-out

 

Interesting but at the end of the day, penalties are a lottery. It helps when you have a better keeper (Alison being better than Mendy - not just at penalties). mane missed one and Mendy got a hand to two, which another keeper probably saved and we win.

 

44 minutes ago, rtwelch said:

I would pay Michael Edwards whatever he wants 

I honestly think Marina escapes an unbelievable amout of criticism.

The amount of blunders she's made since she absorbed Emenalo's role into hers in 2017 isn't excactly frivolous.

If this is the end for her at the club she will leave us with a completely messed up wage-structure, essentially no defence, an ageing and declining midfield and a set of forward that doesn't impress anyone.

20 minutes ago, Sindre said:

I honestly think Marina escapes an unbelievable amout of criticism.

The amount of blunders she's made since she absorbed Emenalo's role into hers in 2017 isn't excactly frivolous.

If this is the end for her at the club she will leave us with a completely messed up wage-structure, essentially no defence, an ageing and declining midfield and a set of forward that doesn't impress anyone.

She gets praised for the Hazard deal but he was the best player in the league at that time. Apart from that, all other deals were not that impressive. 

Emenaulo was harshly removed in my opinion. He did a good job.

I don't believe Tuchel is inferior to Klopp or Guardiola. Conte got the best of both of them in his first season. Klopp and Guardiola are in a better position only because they have a superior team to us  atm. If we make some smart signings this summer i truly believe that we will compete for the title next year.

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21 minutes ago, Sindre said:

I honestly think Marina escapes an unbelievable amout of criticism.

The amount of blunders she's made since she absorbed Emenalo's role into hers in 2017 isn't excactly frivolous.

If this is the end for her at the club she will leave us with a completely messed up wage-structure, essentially no defence, an ageing and declining midfield and a set of forward that doesn't impress anyone.

Wasted a lot of Roman's money, and the new owners don't have bottomless pockets. Cannot afford to blow this transfer window on Lukakus, Saul, Bakas and Werners.

our 2017 transfer window ruined our club

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A little something to cheer us up

49 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Wasted a lot of Roman's money, and the new owners don't have bottomless pockets. Cannot afford to blow this transfer window on Lukakus, Saul, Bakas and Werners.

I would hope that Marina is only working on the negotiating table, and not picking out transfer targets. I think the scouting team has to be questioned too. At least Emenalo had a football background. Either way we've mostly done pretty poorly both identifying targets and negotiating transfers in recent years. For example when you think we paid 60m for Pulisic, and Diaz went for less than half that. Pulisic isn't a bad player but he was way overpriced. There are still good deals to be had out there in the transfer market but we currently don't seem to have the right people to identify them.

51 minutes ago, yaz said:

A little something to cheer us up

I know sweeping statements has been the trend here of late but there's not a snowball in hells chance we lose both these two home games and even if we do what's the odds of both Arsenal and Spurs punishing us by winning out?

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24 minutes ago, Argo said:

I know sweeping statements has been the trend here but there's not a snowball in hells chance we lose these two home games and even if we do what's the odds of both Arsenal and Spurs punishing us by winning out?

Indeed.

 

32 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I would hope that Marina is only working on the negotiating table, and not picking out transfer targets. I think the scouting team has to be questioned too. At least Emenalo had a football background. Either way we've mostly done pretty poorly both identifying targets and negotiating transfers in recent years. For example when you think we paid 60m for Pulisic, and Diaz went for less than half that. Pulisic isn't a bad player but he was way overpriced. There are still good deals to be had out there in the transfer market but we currently don't seem to have the right people to identify them.

Aye why I want them all gone.

 

Hopefully TT actually knows how to identify players that are both good footballers and mentally are winners. 

I just see a summer of over priced, sub par recruitment and TT pinning over the loss of Rudiger.

9 hours ago, CFCCAN said:

We all have opinions....All I see is a defensive style of football except when it comes to teams that are so poor e.g. Norwich where scoring umpteen goals really doesn't prove much.  I'm not saying he has to go mad offensively and ignore the defensive side of our game. IMO has built a team tactically (although that might be questionable of late) that will be hard to score against, while not attacking teams that are in the top half of the league which are your main rivals; he'd rather sit back and pick a team of 6+ defensive players and hope that we get a break AND hope that one of his forwards is actually capable of putting the ball in the net.  He's got the players frightened to lose the ball so much so that they'd rather pass back to Mendy when they are on the opponents 18 yard box rather than keep playing forward or have a shot at least on goal....or they keep cycling the ball around the box until it eventually goes back to Mendy anyway and its f**king boring as hell to watch.  Other teams with half our supposed talent play better football than we have since his arrival, and I'm not talking Liverpool and City here.  We have stunk the joint out at home this season, SB used to be a ground no-one was going away with 3 points, now..come and help yourself.   To me he's missing the big calls, non use of subs that may change a game.It appears that he's frightened of losing and doesn't trust half his players. He's a professional coach / Manager, getting millions in the process to sort it out, and while he may have won the CL, which all of us enjoyed, he hasn't taken us forward from there.  Injuries for me don't come into it; all teams have injuries it's how you cope thereafter, he has a 23+ man squad and IMO he's not using them to our advantage by selecting players that are not fully fit over those that are but are out of favour with him....I don't need him to go, but if there is not improvement next season, and there has to be because Newcastle, Spurs, Utd, Arsenal and even West Ham will all improve, getting a top 4 place isn't going to be as easy as it was this year...and even then we are hanging on by our fingernails. 

Yes, everyone has an opinion but they're not all equal. It's like someone saying Terry was the worst defender in the PL era. It completely defies logic, eye tests, and statistics. You saying all you see is defensive football when other than man city, and arguably Liverpool, no other teams dominate games like we do. Meaning controlling the game (mostly in the opponents half), majority of possession, and creating more chances than the opposition. Chelsea under Jose and Conte played defensive football.

And then you say other teams outside the top 3 play better football - which then includes Arsenal, Tottenham and MAN UTD. That's an utterly ridiculous take. City played 180 mins against Madrid and never matched our second leg performance. 

Injuries 'don't come into it for you' (again for some reason defying logic) but it's been the worst injury season for about a decade and worse than Liverpool were hit last season when they crawled into the CL spots and finished with a lower points total than we will this season. This is not opinion, I could gladly provide you with the data. 

You don't enjoy the football, that's fine as that is personal to you. Hopefully it will be more to your taste going forward. 

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3 hours ago, yaz said:

A little something to cheer us up

Basically me and brother right now 😆

To moan about Tuchel after everything that has happened this season... I don't know, I just don't get it. Not everybody has to love him and a cult like mentality has to be created around him, but the guy has been through a lot this season, both as a Chelsea manager and in his personal life and what has he done so far for this club in less than one and a half year is incredible and we must respect him.

Maybe the league campaign was not as we would have wished for, although we started very good  but the cup competitions we were in, we truly showed we are the real deal and could match everybody in the world of football.

2nd leg in Madrid was one of the highlights of this UCL season.

In the other two Cup Finals we have played against one of the best clubs in the world and the UCL finalists and did not concede for 240+ minutes and matched them in every department.

Tuchel got a divorce. The season was derailed for us when the war started. Chilwell got injured earlier. Half of the defence were on their way out already. The attack was and still is dysfunctional.

I mean this things affect a club and a manager and it is not like we had to come up against Arsenal and Spurs in our quest for all this trophies. The two clubs that we have come up against were Liverpool and City, both in their prime under their current managers. And Real Madrid who in the end has managed to knock City out and are in the UCL Final and if Liverpool play that final the same way they played the two finals at Wembley against us this year, then I give Madrid a huge chance to win it.

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DP SORRY

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1 hour ago, petre ispirescu said:

To moan about Tuchel after everything that has happened this season... I don't know, I just don't get it. Not everybody has to love him and a cult like mentality has to be created around him, but the guy has been through a lot this season, both as a Chelsea manager and in his personal life and what has he done so far for this club in less than one and a half year is incredible and we must respect him.

Maybe the league campaign was not as we would have wished for, although we started very good  but the cup competitions we were in, we truly showed we are the real deal and could match everybody in the world of football.

2nd leg in Madrid was one of the highlights of this UCL season.

In the other two Cup Finals we have played against one of the best clubs in the world and the UCL finalists and did not concede for 240+ minutes and matched them in every department.

Tuchel got a divorce. The season was derailed for us when the war started. Chilwell got injured earlier. Half of the defence were on their way out already. The attack was and still is dysfunctional.

I mean this things affect a club and a manager and it is not like we had to come up against Arsenal and Spurs in our quest for all this trophies. The two clubs that we have come up against were Liverpool and City, both in their prime under their current managers. And Real Madrid who in the end has managed to knock City out and are in the UCL Final and if Liverpool play that final the same way they played the two finals at Wembley against us this year, then I give Madrid a huge chance to win it.

Pretty accurate. The bigger question is will he be one to take us back to the next level or will it be someone building on his foundations. The winning of trophies is fundamental to clubs at the top level, it distinguishes the difference between Chelsea circa the 1990s to the team since 2003. That said trophies within the game have tended to be won cyclical, in my time watching the game I've seen some very good sides who didn't quite have what it takes to win a trophy simply because the team above them was the best of that era.  We have been lucky enough to have sat at the top table for 19 years and had some tremendous memories, similarly ManU in an extended period, however, presently there are two teams who are better than us in their consistency. A period of dominance for them that may last a little longer than we desire. We will bounce back as will ManU and Arsenal along with the new money at Newcastle, Spurs are a lost cause 🙂 Football has thrown up differing winners over the decades, it will continue its what makes the game great. 

 

12 hours ago, Argo said:

I know sweeping statements has been the trend here of late but there's not a snowball in hells chance we lose both these two home games and even if we do what's the odds of both Arsenal and Spurs punishing us by winning out?

Tuchel has many times in interviews told us this team needs to play 'on the edge'. We lack the ruthless consistency that City and Liverpool have. Given a choice, we'd have snapped the handoff, anyone, knowing we only need a point from two home games to qualify for the top four. Let's face it, it should be two wins. That said though playing a weakened side like @axman2526 advocates sends out totally the wrong message to the team whose biggest weakness as a group is being too complacent. Hopefully, the Barcodes do us a favour tonight, other than that we need to get the point and then party! 

8 minutes ago, charierre said:

Tuchel has many times in interviews told us this team needs to play 'on the edge'. We lack the ruthless consistency that City and Liverpool have. Given a choice, we'd have snapped the handoff, anyone, knowing we only need a point from two home games to qualify for the top four. Let's face it, it should be two wins. That said though playing a weakened side like @axman2526 advocates sends out totally the wrong message to the team whose biggest weakness as a group is being too complacent. Hopefully, the Barcodes do us a favour tonight, other than that we need to get the point and then party! 

To be honest i find it hard to get too tense for top 4 races anyway (2003 the exception for obvious reasons), if the Wolves game happened in a title race or relegation fight it would still be pissing me off now but i was over it in 10 minutes in this circumstance. 

I do agree we need the consistentcy those 2 have.

16 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Good analysis.

End of the day TT is a very good manager. He is not as good as Pep or Klopp imo, and thus showed one way Klopp is ahead.

TT is very much on par with both of those managers. Showed Pep levels in the CL final and matches Klopp in both cup finals this year, only to be let down on penalties. I find this a very bizarre take. Give him 6 years to build a squad like both Pep and Klopp have had and he either matches or outdoes them. 

8 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Give him 6 years to build a squad like both Pep and Klopp have had and he either matches or outdoes them. 

Exactly - not saying he should get a card blanche but imho people need to realize that the "old days" where a new manager could come in and instantly win a league title are gone as long as those two teams (City&Pool) don't drop off a cliff all of a sudden. As a club you'd need a very cultivated long term approach - not necessarily with one and the same manager - so that you have a grown structure, also and especially within the squad, to compete with those two powerhouses that did exactly that. 

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Tuchel is right when he said about Liverpool strengthening every window whereas we’re getting weaker. 
 

It’s true - we’ve even weakened ourselves buying Lukaku and disrupting things. £320m spent on forwards - look at our forwards compared Liverpools. It’s shocking. 

4 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Tuchel is right when he said about Liverpool strengthening every window whereas we’re getting weaker. 
 

It’s true - we’ve even weakened ourselves buying Lukaku and disrupting things. £320m spent on forwards - look at our forwards compared Liverpools. It’s shocking. 

Though it has to be said that Tuchel is also responsible for that, he wanted Lukaku...

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Though it has to be said that Tuchel is also responsible for that, he wanted Lukaku...

Do you think Klopp went to the board and said he wanted Dias or Tsimikas? 

We need a better scouting department to get players that fit the managers play style. Too often we have players that have no right being in our team. Looking at what i've seen, it looks like Boehly is going to bring a more statistic driven scouting setup to Chelsea, similar to what they do at LA Dodgers and similar to Liverpool's.

16 hours ago, Nibs said:

Interesting but at the end of the day, penalties are a lottery. It helps when you have a better keeper (Alison being better than Mendy - not just at penalties). mane missed one and Mendy got a hand to two, which another keeper probably saved and we win.

 

Agree that it is interesting analysis but we lost both of these shoot outs by incredibly narrow margins, so I have to say that it does feel a bit like being smart after the fact. If we won this one you could reverse engineer a narrative where klopp is over emotional and tuchel's coolness won the day.

There are criticisms to make of the fact that we haven't closed the gap in the league like we had hoped, but in general I feel about tuchel what I felt about Jose and conte - this guy knows what he's doing and we're lucky to have him. 

 

On a personal note I also love his style of football and consider it very attractive and attacking, but then I like patterned, precise play, and control in midfield. It's a totally subjective thing really, impossible to measure in the end.