16 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Let's see if he has the bollocks to joke about our attack not scoring and our goals only coming from Jorginho taking penalties. 

2 years and attack still non existent. 

Please Tuchel. Please joke again about our attack not scoring goals. 

Third time's a charm!

 

Awful from TT. We live week in week out with no service to forward players and a team riddled with individual mistakes. We are not dangerous. 
 

The buck stops with Tuchel. He has to show a way to  adapt - he’s been completely figured out by PL managers. 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Please Tuchel. Please joke again about our attack not scoring goals. 

What can he do about it? 

Bar Sterling who should have scored today they are quite frankly sh*t. Mount is overrated as hell and no more than a decent player and Havertz and the rest are useless. Broja may have potential but he was injured for all of pre-season and now he's injured again so he's not an option currently.

 

I’m not sure TT has the dressing room 

I don't know who could come in but I really wouldn't lose sleep if Thomas went.

3 games played, 3 goals scored: James, Jorginho, Koulibaly.

Tuchel doesn't know how to use any attacking player, any. Sterling 13 PL goals last season? He'll be happy if he gets 5 this time around.

Give us prime Drogba and he'll struggle here cause the one thing that is being done in training is to wait for Alonso/Chilwell/Cucurella to enter the box.

7 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

he’s been completely figured out by PL managers. 

We are one week out from trashing Tottenham in every way conceivable. Robbed by the ref as we all remember but that was a fantastic performance.

Jumping to conclusions on the back of one extremely poor game is silly.

10 minutes ago, Sindre said:

What can he do about it? 

Bar Sterling who should have scored today they are quite frankly sh*t. Mount is overrated as hell and no more than a decent player and Havertz and the rest are useless. Broja may have potential but he was injured for all of pre-season and now he's injured again so he's not an option currently.

 

Sterling was awful today. It's only a matter of time until his performances start to drop consistently and he will join the others. 

Secondly, Tuchel had genuinely every profile of an attacker at his disposal these past two years and not one of them has looked consistently good. Tammy, Giroud, Havertz, Mount, Sterling, Ziyech, CHO, Werner Pulisic, etc, etc. All of which are a different profile to work with and utilise and not one of them have consistently performed or have improved under Tuchel. Not One. Could it possibly be because we look genuinely clueless in attacking phases, which was made abundantly evident today? So many players in the box and the wrong decision was made every time. Not scoring against Leeds is an abomination. 

So what does Tuchel need to actually improve the attack? Prime Messi and Maradona?

 

This was a hard watch.  I didn't like a lot of things from Tuchel today.

But what is he supposed to do when his goal keeper is technically the worst footballer to ever play in the league?  The alternative is the keeper who was the worst keeper to ever play in the league when it came to actually saving shots.

2 of his 3 premier league quality centre mids are chronic sick notes.

He's stuck with attacking mids on the wings because his wingers are terrible.

And when we need to change a game he has to bring on these terrible wingers who average less than 4 goals a season outside of the Dutch league and hope they can change the game.

People were calling for subs but who on our bench could change a game?

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

It’s funny, people call for Tuchel to go or think he’s in trouble but nobody has any sensible alternatives as to who could realistically come in. 

I must’ve said it so many times. We lose TT and that gap to the top 2 gets even bigger. 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Sterling was awful today. It's only a matter of time until his performances start to drop consistently and he will join the others. 

Secondly, Tuchel had genuinely every profile of an attacker at his disposal these past two years and not one of them has looked consistently good. Tammy, Giroud, Havertz, Mount, Sterling, Ziyech, CHO, Werner Pulisic, etc, etc. All of which are a different profile to work with and utilise and not one of them have consistently performed or have improved under Tuchel. Not One. Could it possibly be because we look genuinely clueless in attacking phases, which was made abundantly evident today? So many players in the box and the wrong decision was made every time. Not scoring against Leeds is an abomination. 

So what does Tuchel need to actually improve the attack? Prime Messi and Maradona?

 

Sterling wasn’t awful. He was our most threatening player first half. Havertz for me was the worst player out there. Mount was poor first half. Slightly improved second half but generally speaking poor performance all around and Tuchel has a lot to answer to. Seems that he is not able to adapt to different tactics. Was totally outsmarted. 

His worst tactical performance since he's been here. Shambolic from the start then left us without a midfield after the subs. 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So what does Tuchel need to actually improve the attack? Prime Messi and Maradona?

We could start with bringing in someone with an ounce of creativity.

We have had hope that Mount would develop into that kind of a player but he's still the same player he was three or four years ago. We also hoped Havertz would bring some of that to the club but he's not delivered either under Lampard or now under Tuchel.

I don't care much about the profile. Actual quality is what we need and I don't care that Ziyech was good in Eresdivisie or Pulisic dangerous off the bench at Dortmund. Buying them in the first place was a major mistake. We need quality and we need it now.

I'll compare it to Liverpool when they were leaking goals early on in Klopps reign there. Everyone was making fun of how he couldn't organize a defence and that if he didn't address it sharply he would have to leave. Not much time passed and they brought in the best CB in the world and one of the best goalkeepers in the world and their fortunes turned around completely. Simply by adding two world class footballers.

And that is what we need to do.

1 minute ago, STATS said:

Sterling wasn’t awful. He was our most threatening player first half. Havertz for me was the worst player out there. Mount was poor first half. Slightly improved second half but generally speaking poor performance all around and Tuchel has a lot to answer to. Seems that he is not able to adapt to different tactics. Was totally outsmarted. 

I thought Sterling was very selfish in certain aspects and very individualistic. Completely out of sync with the other players and no doubt inconsistencies will start to arise because of this lack of cohesion. 

At this point in time, I cannot see our attacking problems change unless there is a drastic shift in tactics and ideology. 

 

 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

I thought Sterling was very selfish in certain aspects and very individualistic. Completely out of sync with the other players

Thats because Sterling actually knows how to play football and has a shred of technical ability.

3 minutes ago, Sindre said:

We could start with bringing in someone with an ounce of creativity.

We have had hope that Mount would develop into that kind of a player but he's still the same player he was three or four years ago. We also hoped Havertz would bring some of that to the club but he's not delivered either under Lampard or now under Tuchel.

I don't care much about the profile. Actual quality is what we need and I don't care that Ziyech was good in Eresdivisie or Pulisic dangerous off the bench at Dortmund. Buying them in the first place was a major mistake. We need quality and we need it now.

I'll compare it to Liverpool when they were leaking goals early on in Klopps reign there. Everyone was making fun of how he couldn't organize a defence and that if he didn't address it sharply he would have to leave. Not much time passed and they brought in the best CB in the world and one of the best goalkeepers in the world and their fortunes turned around completely. Simply by adding two world class footballers.

And that is what we need to do.

So throw more money at our problems and hope it will work? 

What's your excuse if Nkunku doesn't work? Bundesliga tax? Or Leao? Serie A is sh*t because Lukaku looked good?

So done with this regurgitated argument. 

Under Tuchel at least we seemed to sort things out defensively. But he has failed to improve our attack. In fact if anything we have gone backwards as an attacking force with a total reliance on goals from midfield/defense. The issue is now we are also leaking goals. If this continues Tuchel will not last long. The new owners may like him, but they won't want to risk financial losses over dropping out of Champs League.

9 minutes ago, Sindre said:

We could start with bringing in someone with an ounce of creativity.

We have had hope that Mount would develop into that kind of a player but he's still the same player he was three or four years ago. We also hoped Havertz would bring some of that to the club but he's not delivered either under Lampard or now under Tuchel.

I don't care much about the profile. Actual quality is what we need and I don't care that Ziyech was good in Eresdivisie or Pulisic dangerous off the bench at Dortmund. Buying them in the first place was a major mistake. We need quality and we need it now.

I'll compare it to Liverpool when they were leaking goals early on in Klopps reign there. Everyone was making fun of how he couldn't organize a defence and that if he didn't address it sharply he would have to leave. Not much time passed and they brought in the best CB in the world and one of the best goalkeepers in the world and their fortunes turned around completely. Simply by adding two world class footballers.

And that is what we need to do.

I don't see the similiarities with Klopp. Tuchel has been here over 1 1/2 years and started well, but the problems have grown in the last 1/2 year. We are not heading in a good direction, and most of the fans do not seem to be confident that the players we are linked with are right solutions either. 

4 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I don't see the similiarities with Klopp. Tuchel has been here over 1 1/2 years and started well, but the problems have grown in the last 1/2 year. We are not heading in a good direction, and most of the fans do not seem to be confident that the players we are linked with are right solutions either. 

There are no similarities.

Because Klopp inherited a team with a weak defence and was backed to sign an absolute top centre back and a top goal keeper.

Tuchel inherited a team with a poor attack and 18 months later he's still stuck bringing Pulisic and Ziyech on.

The one attacking signing we've made looks head and shoulders above the rest of our attackers but it isn't enough.

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

Imo we need a solid midfield. That along some tactical changes made us strong defensively (and as long as we had proper wingbacks we were dangerous attacking). I wonder how often we had the luxury of benching one of kante/jorgi/Kova with all three being fit? Unfortunately they seem to be unstable and the sooner we find a proper anchor there the better. 

3 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

There are no similarities.

Because Klopp inherited a team with a weak defence and was backed to sign an absolute top centre back and a top goal keeper.

Tuchel inherited a team with a poor attack and 18 months later he's still stuck bringing Pulisic and Ziyech on.

The one attacking signing we've made looks head and shoulders above the rest of our attackers but it isn't enough.

Hold on he is getting backed now though. He has signed an ageing top CB from Serie A, a top LWB/LCB and like you said an attacking signing. I reckon you feel he needs 8 more new players right?

Frenkie De Jong and Ivan Toney would improve this team incredibly but we'll spend £80m on fofana as a priority

7 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

There are no similarities.

Because Klopp inherited a team with a weak defence and was backed to sign an absolute top centre back and a top goal keeper.

Tuchel inherited a team with a poor attack and 18 months later he's still stuck bringing Pulisic and Ziyech on.

The one attacking signing we've made looks head and shoulders above the rest of our attackers but it isn't enough.

We just broke the record for a PL full back and brought in Sterling and Koulibaly. And the season before he gave the nod for the club breaking the bank on Lukaku. 

Our formation completely relies on defensive stability and wing backs being our creative players.

So much wrong with how we set up, it just doesn’t allow certain people to thrive.

A defensive midfielder should of been a priority this window but now something has to change regarding our formation.

We are so blunt up top it’s unreal.

2-0 down by half time and I had zero confidence of getting a draw out of that situation.

Concede first and we generally don’t win matches. If we go 2 goals down then the match is over.

The real top teams have a habit of coming back from losing positions.

We clearly ain’t at that level.