10 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Hold on he is getting backed now though. He has signed an ageing top CB from Serie A, a top LWB/LCB and like you said an attacking signing. I reckon you feel he needs 8 more new players right?

Given we have a single attacking player signed by Tuchel in our squad and he looks head and shoulders above the rest of our attackers I think we could risk making another one.

The 2 Centre back options simply replace the 2 players Marina lost on frees due to her incompetence, Cucurella being an upgrade at LWB is a bonus but it isn't like we've handed him a much stronger squad. 

We didn't offer £60m for Raphina and play attacking midfielders on the wings because our squad is just full of quality wingers.

 

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

3 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Frenkie De Jong and Ivan Toney would improve this team incredibly but we'll spend £80m on fofana as a priority

Even if we get Aubameyang, Fofana and De Jong... Tuchel is still instructing the players to wait for Cucurella to enter the opposition box. Literally Sterling running on the counter, passes to Mount and the attack stops because Cucurella isn't there yet.

I feel like he is going to have a tough season, but those calling for him to be sacked are delusional. Do they not realise where we are as a club right now? We have literally just had a complete change in ownership of the club, a change nobody was asking for or wanted. Not many people even really understand where we are going right now. It's madness to suggest that we just pick up and carry on as normal after everything that has happened. 

Our squad is a mess and has been for years now, it's like a never ending rebuild. We lost 2 first team CB's on a free transfer, no club instantly recovers from that. The same thing is set to happen again with our CM's this season. We have been filling the squad up with flavour of the month type players and players that don't suit what the manager is looking for. 

Please explain how sacking Tuchel helps our situation out now? It would just add to the ever growing list of problems we currently have at the club.

8 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Even if we get Aubameyang, Fofana and De Jong... Tuchel is still instructing the players to wait for Cucurella to enter the opposition box. Literally Sterling running on the counter, passes to Mount and the attack stops because Cucurella isn't there yet.

That's probably more to do with Mount not being very good and not knowing what to do 

I love Tommy T but I can't take a blunt attack for too long. If this system is responsible for how bad we are up top, then it might be time for a change. Its unacceptable how bad we are in attack. Its really really concerning.

3 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I feel like he is going to have a tough season, but those calling for him to be sacked are delusional.

Not sure I've seen any saying he should be sacked, just that he might be the problem, and that I agree with!

Maybe we should've had a complete staffing change when Boehly took over.

31 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So throw more money at our problems and hope it will work? 

What's your excuse if Nkunku doesn't work? Bundesliga tax? Or Leao? Serie A is sh*t because Lukaku looked good?

So done with this regurgitated argument. 

No, he will obviously have to take the consequences if he brings in his own players and we still don't deliver.

But I am not prepared to judge him on the back of the dross that the previous and failed administration with Marina is responsible for. And I believe it's important to remember they didn't perform for Lampard either. Had they proved that they were top class attackers and then looked poor all of a sudden under Tuchel I would agree with you. But that is quite simply not the case.

I just really hope Gallagher doesn’t end up being Tuchel’s scapegoat for this result.

Lots of players wasn’t good today but the ones who wasn’t the big money signings tend to be the ones dropped for long periods.

I still don’t understand why Chalobah doesn’t get a sniff of football anymore.

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by 2211

18 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Given we have a single attacking player signed by Tuchel in our squad and he looks head and shoulders above the rest of our attackers I think we could risk making another one.

The 2 Centre back options simply replace the 2 players Marina lost on frees due to her incompetence, Cucurella being an upgrade at LWB is a bonus but it isn't like we've handed him a much stronger squad. 

We didn't offer £60m for Raphina and play attacking midfielders on the wings because our squad is just full of quality wingers.

 

I genuinely think bringing in Raphinha or Dembele, we would still have same issues. It's a system thing. for me

We need to sign Mitrovic lol

last season it took us 13 games before we conceded 5 goals total

2 minutes ago, STATS said:

I genuinely think bringing in Raphinha or Dembele, we would still have same issues. It's a system thing. for me

 

If you're being honest with yourself, this team has more than enough offensive talents to not score a goal in 3 straight games. Luck, or lack of it, has nothing to do with it.

Tammy couldn't get a minute under TT, yet he's a scoring machine in Serie A. Sure Serie A is a notch below EPL, but he was also banging in goals before TT arrived. 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, azpi28 said:

last season it took us 13 games before we conceded 5 goals total

 

TT have been found out.

I Really don't like how sometimes TT sets up, he'd of been better playing RLC in the Middle, and Conor in his preferred further forward position

1 minute ago, haviet1 said:

 

TT have been found out.

but against spurs we played really well

it's very confusing

On current form we are the SIXTH BEST team in London .... ahead of only West Ham who are bottom. Something has to change, and quickly !

I don't know whether it is the system or the players, but I'd be amazed if Tuchel had been telling them *not* to shoot, and on the odd occasion when someone forgets not to shoot, to shoot wide and high, or at the keeper, or to run offside all the time, or to stand static in the final third, or to hit crap crosses at no-one in particular. It's f**king basic stuff that should have been automatic in them since the age of 8 ffs ... if they are actually decent players it shouldn't matter if we had the worst manager in the world, they should still be doing so much better than they are ... in particular I don't understand how you can be so up for it last week against Spurs, and then have ONE player drop out through injury, and then his replacement and the other 10 perform like that. Utterly f**king pitiful ... 

 

1 minute ago, haviet1 said:

If you're being honest with yourself, this team has more than enough offensive talents to not score a goal in 3 straight games. Luck, or lack of it, has nothing to do with it.

All of them have already had a bucketload of chances but have missed every single one.

Sterling, Loftus Cheek and Mount should all have scored inside 20 minutes today. It was the same story v Tottenham. Tuchel can't finish for anyone.

 

He really thinks we were the better team? 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He really thinks we were the better team? 

No way, i'm usually pretty honest, if not a tad biased, but the first 2 minutes we were better, they wanted it more, they were faster, more physical, and worked harder, come on TT, need to update this crap style...

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

What can he do about it? 

 

 

 

City and 'Pool scored almost 100 goals last year, roughly 20 more than Chelsea.

Sure, Pep and Klopp has absolutely nothing to do with it because they weren't running around on the pitch themselves.

With all due respect, that is a very lazy excuse. The manager has complete responsibility in the team's performance. There's a reason why he occupies the title "manager" or "head coach".

 

 

2 minutes ago, haviet1 said:

 

City and 'Pool scored almost 100 goals last year, roughly 20 more than Chelsea.

Sure, Pep and Klopp has absolutely nothing to do with it because they weren't running around on the pitch themselves.

With all due respect, that is a very lazy excuse. The manager has complete responsibility in the team's performance. There's a reason why he occupies the title "manager" or "head coach".

 

 

City and Liverpool also have much more talented attacking players than we do.

Guardiola has literally never coached an attacking player as bad as Pulisic or Ziyech in his entire career.

The managers job is to get the most out of the talent he has, I'd argue Tuchel has done that with our results but the talent actually has to be there to challenge for the title and I don't think it is.

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

2 minutes ago, haviet1 said:

 

City and 'Pool scored almost 100 goals last year, roughly 20 more than Chelsea.

Sure, Pep and Klopp has absolutely nothing to do with it because they weren't running around on the pitch themselves.

With all due respect, that is a very lazy excuse. The manager has complete responsibility in the team's performance. There's a reason why he occupies the title "manager" or "head coach".

 

 

Would have thought it was more than 20 with such a huge gap in actual quality. Klopp & Guardiola have handpicked their attack themselves. 

Tuchel inherited a bunch of dross that didn't perform for Lampard either. See the difference?

Outside of Sterling not one of our attackers would be anywhere near City or Liverpools teams. We don't even have a striker for goodness sakes. Us hoping Armando Broja breaks through while the others can field Kane, Nunez, Haaland, Ronaldo etc should probably illustrate the problem well enough.

 

The excuses will run dry soon enough. 

45 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

That's probably more to do with Mount not being very good and not knowing what to do 

Yet he'll never get called out despite numerous mediocre performances, Sterlings our only good attacker at this point

I'm just waiting for the inevitable snowball effect of Tuchel out,
Ok, i'l play devils advocate, who do we get, that can get a tune out of us, and play reasonably unrestricted football
Brentfords manager excites me....