5 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

We don't win but we at least don't get embarassed. Our striking issue is obvious so just wanted to point out a part of the team that hasn't been addressed and gone out of the radar all summer.

It's irrelevant though, any loss vs Leeds is just embarrassing, had it stayed 1:0 it would hurt equally as a bad as this.

We’ve spent millions and in attack we’ve been toothless for years. New signings and youth players coming through. Over hyped and overrated. 

Tuchel can’t keep spending millions to try and get it right. He’s been here a while now and nothing has changed. I don’t see it changing either.

Auba, Ronaldo are just more bandages. This should be Tuchels Conte/Arsenal moment. Time to change it up and drop players.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

IMO too many overreaction. 

I don't care about our attacker. They are not great but that is the same old story. Today problem is simple. Jorgi + Conor. I don't want to talk about Jorgi, but this nonsense of Jorgi being tempo setter need to stop. 

Conor Gallagher imo was the worse player in the 1st half. I said it in Gallagher thread before he can do Gallagher thing he need to play as dm and he was struggling big time. Leeds targeted him which is not a surprise. 

Btw for people who kept saying why don't we play with back 4. You have another reminder here. 

No way Gallager was the worst player in 1st half - not all the time you have Mendy and Havertz to choose from!

Gallagher started well and will always be better going forward and he set up a couple of nice moves that should have ended with a goal.

I'm honestly not sure which was the bigger collapse this afternoon, us on the field or us in the thread. I can understand people being pissed off, but the knee-jerk nonsense was really unnecessary: Tuchel out, Mendy out, Koulibaly is sh*t, Gallagher is sh*t, Mount is sh*t, all of our attackers are sh*t. I saw some shameful sh*t today; no 'mentality monsters' here, no sir.

What bothered me most about this game wasn't so much the first half; we were mostly on top despite the questionable Jorginho-Gallagher midfield partnership, then suffered a goalkeeping brain fart and conceded from a set piece immediately afterwards (also no way was that a foul). Fair enough, sh*t happens. What bothered me was how we lost our heads in the second half: Was that pullback from Koulibaly really necessary? Was taking off two-thirds of our midfield and throwing on Ziyech (fair enough, he'll try some high-risk stuff) and Pulisic (hard to say what he offers beyond 'scores sometimes') at the total expense of our team structure when we were dominating really necessary? Was drilling every other pass and shot into the nearest opposition player's shins really necessary?

I think we as a team and as a fanbase need an hour in a darkened room with a moist towelette. We're already down our best two centre mids and one of our centre-backs; if we're lucky enough that Brenda is still Leicester manager by next weekend, we cannot be bringing this nonsense into that game.

Just now, Nibs said:

No way Gallager was the worst player in 1st half - not all the time you have Mendy and Havertz to choose from!

Gallagher started well and will always be better going forward and he set up a couple of nice moves that should have ended with a goal.

Did you watch how many times he lose the ball deep in our area? 

That is a big No as a dm. 

5 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Is it the players or the system? He has signed Sterling who looks like he is struggling 3 games in. 

System...and as a tactics go, we still have not worked out how to play against teams that press us, or find a way to break down a team that sits deep in a low block.  This has been going on for 2 or 3 seasons now and TT's view on the game has IMO only added to the misery of us not being able to score goals.  The players we have do not become bad overnight, they seemingly look bad when they are played out of position and his system that does not allow them the freedom to play to their abilities.  Anyone who has been watching the EPL over the last 30 years knows, that a strong midfield and a solid defence will invariably win the title.  The players in the middle must be able to adapt to the conditions the opposition offer.  Our midfield can only play when the opposition allow them to and when they have space and time.  We will continue to struggle against the likes of Leeds, Brentford, Brighton and likely Fulham when we come up against them.    

TT's best hope is too really have a long hard look at what he's trying to do because right now its continuing to be a team, following on from the last half of last season, of inconsistent performances because IMO he doesn't pick his team to play the opposition.  The same 11 each week you would think would be ideal but if the opposition is going to out run and bully you off the park you don't need the technicians, you need a good part of the team to be made up of grit and determination type players, the Essien's, Ballack's, Wise and Lampard's of the world, not the most technical but provided the muscle and fight in the middle...something sadly we lack at the moment, although Kova is likely the nearest to it. 

1 minute ago, PloKoon13 said:

I'm honestly not sure which was the bigger collapse this afternoon, us on the field or us in the thread. I can understand people being pissed off, but the knee-jerk nonsense was really unnecessary: Tuchel out, Mendy out, Koulibaly is sh*t, Gallagher is sh*t, Mount is sh*t, all of our attackers are sh*t. I saw some shameful sh*t today; no 'mentality monsters' here, no sir.

What bothered me most about this game wasn't so much the first half; we were mostly on top despite the questionable Jorginho-Gallagher midfield partnership, then suffered a goalkeeping brain fart and conceded from a set piece immediately afterwards (also no way was that a foul). Fair enough, sh*t happens. What bothered me was how we lost our heads in the second half: Was that pullback from Koulibaly really necessary? Was taking off two-thirds of our midfield and throwing on Ziyech (fair enough, he'll try some high-risk stuff) and Pulisic (hard to say what he offers beyond 'scores sometimes') at the total expense of our team structure when we were dominating really necessary? Was drilling every other pass and shot into the nearest opposition player's shins really necessary?

I think we as a team and as a fanbase need an hour in a darkened room with a moist towelette. We're already down our best two centre mids and one of our centre-backs; if we're lucky enough that Brenda is still Leicester manager by next weekend, we cannot be bringing this nonsense into that game.

Ahhh... the mandatory throw Pulisic and Ziyech under the bus post. Wow... how many shots from Havertz and Mount on goal this year. When will you guys realize it is little Tommy T's system that is killing this team. Even us Yanks who call it soccer can see that. Spineless and gutless soccer from him.

2 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

What's worrying is that these stats are very accurate. We are in serious trouble this season. Top 6 I'm certain of. Top 4 is a massive worry.

Top 4 will be a massive fight. Already 5 points behind le Arse and struggling with the same problems since the past 3-4 years.

1 minute ago, CFCCAN said:

System...and as a tactics go, we still have not worked out how to play against teams that press us, or find a way to break down a team that sits deep in a low block.  This has been going on for 2 or 3 seasons now and TT's view on the game has IMO only added to the misery of us not being able to score goals.  The players we have do not become bad overnight, they seemingly look bad when they are played out of position and his system that does not allow them the freedom to play to their abilities.  Anyone who has been watching the EPL over the last 30 years knows, that a strong midfield and a solid defence will invariably win the title.  The players in the middle must be able to adapt to the conditions the opposition offer.  Our midfield can only play when the opposition allow them to and when they have space and time.  We will continue to struggle against the likes of Leeds, Brentford, Brighton and likely Fulham when we come up against them.    

TT's best hope is too really have a long hard look at what he's trying to do because right now its continuing to be a team, following on from the last half of last season, of inconsistent performances because IMO he doesn't pick his team to play the opposition.  The same 11 each week you would think would be ideal but if the opposition is going to out run and bully you off the park you don't need the technicians, you need a good part of the team to be made up of grit and determination type players, the Essien's, Ballack's, Wise and Lampard's of the world, not the most technical but provided the muscle and fight in the middle...something sadly we lack at the moment, although Kova is likely the nearest to it. 

Finally, some sanity. Thank you.

1 minute ago, USATim said:

Ahhh... the mandatory throw Pulisic and Ziyech under the bus post. Wow... how many shots from Havertz and Mount on goal this year. When will you guys realize it is little Tommy T's system that is killing this team. Even us Yanks who call it soccer can see that. Spineless and gutless soccer from him.

Yes, the summary of my post is definitely throwing Ziyech (whom I complimented) and Pulisic (whom I did not) under the bus.

Have you considered becoming a Leeds fan? They might be more to your taste.

Starting to lose faith in Tuchel.  These players have often played well elsewhere.  Gallagher was CP's player of the year.  Sterling was a mainstay for Man City.  

It is not like these guys can't play.  Starting to wonder if the manager is not the problem.  He has spent almost 300 million in transfer fees and the team looks worse than when he took over.

16 minutes ago, USATim said:

And Mount and Havertz? Please comment - three games in, any shots on target from these two Goliaths? Please tell me you know nothing about football without telling me you know nothing about football.

Harsh, we were just sh*t, and against Spuds we were very good

This reoccurring theme of blaming the attacking players moreso than Tuchel is well and truyly bizarre at this stage. So quick to call the player sh*t over Tuchel's inability to improve any one of them.

Look at bloody Kulusevski at Spurs. Had zero output at Juventus and now under Conte at Spurs he has 6 goals and 9 assists in months of being there and is among the highest chance creators in the league. 

Hate losing to them. Mendy got away with being pressed earlier in the first half. He’d three chances to simply kick the ball away from the danger. Hopefully he’s now learned a hard footballing lesson.

Didn't think it was a free kick from which their second goal came from. 

The first goal lifted Leeds and they fed off their home support.

A needless pullback from Koulibally for his sending off.
 

 

Just now, PloKoon13 said:

Yes, the summary of my post is definitely throwing Ziyech (whom I complimented) and Pulisic (whom I did not) under the bus.

Have you considered becoming a Leeds fan? They might be more to your taste.

Already a Leeds fan. And a Chelsea fan. Just not as apt as you to throw two dudes who played for 20 minutes in an absolutely uncreative, nonsensical attacking scheme under the bus when the three starters, who have played almost 4 times as much, have zero goals and very few shots between them. 

18 minutes ago, USATim said:

And Mount and Havertz? Please comment - three games in, any shots on target from these two Goliaths? Please tell me you know nothing about football without telling me you know nothing about football.

Mount and havertz have been poor as well but at least they've had a string of good performances over the course of the last couple of seasons. I can count the number of good performances Ziyech has had and Pulisic has been sh*t since his run of good games in the pandemic season.

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

This reoccurring theme of blaming the attacking players moreso than Tuchel is well and truyly bizarre at this stage. So quick to call the player sh*t over Tuchel's inability to improve any one of them.

Look at bloody Kulusevski at Spurs. Had zero output at Juventus and now under Conte at Spurs he has 6 goals and 9 assists in months of being there and is among the highest chance creators in the league. 

I think it is a little bit of both. But you are right the way we setup is not optimal for attacker but we all know this. 

 

1 minute ago, Valpo said:

Starting to lose faith in Tuchel.  These players have often played well elsewhere.  Gallagher was CP's player of the year.  Sterling was a mainstay for Man City.  

It is not like these guys can't play.  Starting to wonder if the manager is not the problem.  He has spent almost 300 million in transfer fees and the team looks worse than when he took over.

I feel like the only bright spot is always our full-back. The best and only chances that should have been a goal was when RLC made a few good moves and ended up in the box and passed to Cucurella for an easy finish from maybe 10 yards or so which went wide. Everyone else looks lost in our attack, I believe that at this point it's not a coincidence, Tuchel's tacticis falling apart.

2 minutes ago, USATim said:

Already a Leeds fan. And a Chelsea fan. Just not as apt as you to throw two dudes who played for 20 minutes in an absolutely uncreative, nonsensical attacking scheme under the bus when the three starters, who have played almost 4 times as much, have zero goals and very few shots between them. 

Well that's not at all what my post said, but I don't expect you to engage with the forum in good faith considering your history here.

What I actually bemoaned was the lack of structure caused by the substitutions, which is quite different from criticising the individuals in question.

2 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Mount and havertz have been poor as well but at least they've had a string of good performances over the course of the last couple of seasons. I can count the number of good performances Ziyech has had and Pulisic has been sh*t since his run of good games in the pandemic season.

I can say the same as Havertz. I will give Mount a great last season; this season he has been the most disappointing player on the pitch. Save some vitriol for him.

4 minutes ago, Valpo said:

Starting to lose faith in Tuchel.  These players have often played well elsewhere.  Gallagher was CP's player of the year.  Sterling was a mainstay for Man City.  

It is not like these guys can't play.  Starting to wonder if the manager is not the problem.  He has spent almost 300 million in transfer fees and the team looks worse than when he took over.

I mentioned after the first game/or the friendlies where Sterling (and the new blood) looked bright and hope they didn't fall into this lull the rest are (and have been) in.

Looking at it today, I think that has already happened.

Sterling looked ok, he can't do it all on his own, but Cucurella looked a completely different player to last week.

 

14 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Did you watch how many times he lose the ball deep in our area? 

That is a big No as a dm. 

Yeah, we all know he is not a DM, but he was still nowhere near our worst player.

3 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Well that's not at all what my post said, but I don't expect you to engage with the forum in good faith considering your history here.

What I actually bemoaned was the lack of structure caused by the substitutions, which is quite different from criticising the individuals in question.

That structure put two shots on goal, was held scoreless, gave up three goals, and got their collective arses kicked for 70 minutes. What game did you watch?

16 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Did you watch how many times he lose the ball deep in our area? 

That is a big No as a dm. 

Gallagher is not a DM though. Why does Tuchel play him in that role?

Our two best players last week were Koulibally and Cucurella…they havent become bad players overnight, theyve just had Tuchel training them for another week.