5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Todd likes the Red Bull model. A former Ded Bull manager just became available for free.

Ralph Hasenhuttl anyone?

Not for free. For anybody coming in means GP will need to be compensated at 12m a year. Boehly has already nailed his flag tot he mast. We now have to make this work.

We're already the laughing stock, sacking more managers just adds to the mountain of mockery.

18 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Well the performances certainly show that and can guess several of the ones that want out.

Ziyech, Pulisic, Havertz, Aubameyang easily for starters.

I mean we were only a crises club five months ago, about time we were again. Lol

Also please if they feel this way get shot of them ASAP. 

Yeah but these overhyped self absorbed mediocre dross will only leave if somebody else will pay them the same money. Sadly there are no other mugs around like us.

48 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Top source: A lot of players are unsettled at the club, some are unhappy with life in London & at the club in general, some want out immediately. Half the squad don’t even engage together."

@siphillipssport 

Potter is managing a mess, difficult job.

Hope we show a lot of them the door. These players are being paid thousands of dollars weekly and they act like Primadonnas.

3 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Not for free. For anybody coming in means GP will need to be compensated at 12m a year. Boehly has already nailed his flag tot he mast. We now have to make this work.

We're already the laughing stock, sacking more managers just adds to the mountain of mockery.

Why on earth is he getting paid that much. Is it a 5 year contract?

3 hours ago, JM7 said:

Top source: A lot of players are unsettled at the club, some are unhappy with life in London & at the club in general, some want out immediately. Half the squad don’t even engage together."

@siphillipssport 

Potter is managing a mess, difficult job.

I don’t buy a word of that tbh, a lot of these players have been ‘found out’ and any grumblings stem from their own insecurities. I’d imagine Pulisic is having an identity crisis and delusional guys like Ziyech are protecting their ego’s “it can’t be me, it must be the club and the best city in Europe to be a multi-millionaire.. yes that’s it, not a GOAT like moi”. 

I think a rebuild from back to front is required ,very few of the present players should survive (apart from the obvious)but unfortunately that will cost and

not being in CL will hurt .We no longer have bottomless pockets so this could be long and drawn out . The club structure needs sorting and proper people appointed

basically we are a bit of a mess but we are Chelsea and that's how we roll .

23 minutes ago, hawkster said:

I think a rebuild from back to front is required ,very few of the present players should survive (apart from the obvious)but unfortunately that will cost and

not being in CL will hurt .We no longer have bottomless pockets so this could be long and drawn out . The club structure needs sorting and proper people appointed

basically we are a bit of a mess but we are Chelsea and that's how we roll .

I don't think missing CL for one season will hurt us much. We've missed out twice in the last decade and it didn't badly affect us. Also, winning the Europa league gives a chance of getting into the CL, so there is that benefit. Well, that's if we make EL. I would probably prefer EL, but if not then it means we don't play midweek games. 

5 hours ago, enigma said:

I don't think missing CL for one season will hurt us much. 

That depends on how much Boehly/Clearlake's financial expenditure is dependent on Champions League qualification. 

We are potentially missing out on £40m-£60m by failing to qualify. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

That depends on how much Boehly/Clearlake's financial expenditure is dependent on Champions League qualification. 

We are potentially missing out on £40m-£60m by failing to qualify. 

So we would need to sign one less Sterling or Cucurella then. What a shame....

16 hours ago, Upsetter said:

Sindre was never banned though. Reading between the lines, this is what happened:

Following a fairly mild pisstake - when I asked him if he was expecting Tuchel’s baby, or if he was just a bit of a tart, Sindre lost it completely, demanding for me to be banned. Then when this demand of his was refused, he insisted that his own account should be closed.

Shame really, but it does answer my question: Sindre is a right tart.

Now I understand your user name !😂😂

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So we would need to sign one less Sterling or Cucurella then. What a shame....

It's based on amortization. Sterling on the books for 2022 would only be £9.5m, whereas qualifying for the Champions league, along with the knock out fixtures and any other revenue that comes in, would be the whole amount. This is how we've been able to bypass FFP all these years. 

18 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Apparently Liverpool and Klopp are in deep sh1t, Conte's project is falling apart, but not many pundits are having a go at Chelsea, to be honest both these teams would rip us apart right now. Acknowledge Potter only had a dozen games and he looked a nice guy, but he's getting a free pass right now. Tuchel and Frank have got away with it after 2 heavy losses and 4 games without a win. Somehow all the blames are on the players as they are over past it, most of them are part of the team that got us the top 3, and that was a season full of bad injuries and Covid isolations. What's our expectation now, top 6 or top half of the table?

He's not getting a free pass at all , the complete opposite in fact

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It's based on amortization. Sterling on the books for 2022 would only be £9.5m, whereas qualifying for the Champions league, along with the knock out fixtures and any other revenue that comes in, would be the whole amount. This is how we've been able to bypass FFP all these years. 

Ergh you have to spoil a good joke with facts eh?

Not mine but this tweeted - a good reminder to stay patient:

“People forget that Pep Guardiola spent £200m in his first summer in charge & proceeded to lose 4-2 at Leicester, battered 4-0 at Everton, failed to beat Celtic home & away in CL, lost to Monaco in the knockout rounds, ended up trophyless & 15 points off the summit in the league.

It’s almost like he needed that free hit to get to grips with everything at the club, in this country and understand what was required to get it right - and then a further £300m the following summer of course.

Not sure why I, or anyone for that matter bothers on here  - “comparing Guardiola to Potter, Pep is one of the best ever” - that ENHANCES my point ffs, even the very, very best to have ever done it in management need TIME. If anything managers like GP need MORE TIME.”

Difference though is that everything was ready for Pep to come in, hence why it took him literally only a season to get a grasp on things. With Potter he's in a sticky situation given our whole infrastructure has changed to match the likes of City and Liverpool. 

Edited November 8, 20223 yr by Sconnie Blue

32 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Not mine but this tweeted - a good reminder to stay patient:

“People forget that Pep Guardiola spent £200m in his first summer in charge & proceeded to lose 4-2 at Leicester, battered 4-0 at Everton, failed to beat Celtic home & away in CL, lost to Monaco in the knockout rounds, ended up trophyless & 15 points off the summit in the league.

It’s almost like he needed that free hit to get to grips with everything at the club, in this country and understand what was required to get it right - and then a further £300m the following summer of course.

Not sure why I, or anyone for that matter bothers on here  - “comparing Guardiola to Potter, Pep is one of the best ever” - that ENHANCES my point ffs, even the very, very best to have ever done it in management need TIME. If anything managers like GP need MORE TIME.”

City were a lot better than results suggested though, their finishing that season was crap and Claudio Bravo was letting in every shot which held them back but it was pretty clear the trajectory.

I'd have absolute full faith in Potter if we finish 3rd/4th while all the metrics suggest we should be doing even better.

Edited November 8, 20223 yr by Argo

47 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Not mine but this tweeted - a good reminder to stay patient:

“People forget that Pep Guardiola spent £200m in his first summer in charge & proceeded to lose 4-2 at Leicester, battered 4-0 at Everton, failed to beat Celtic home & away in CL, lost to Monaco in the knockout rounds, ended up trophyless & 15 points off the summit in the league.

It’s almost like he needed that free hit to get to grips with everything at the club, in this country and understand what was required to get it right - and then a further £300m the following summer of course.

Not sure why I, or anyone for that matter bothers on here  - “comparing Guardiola to Potter, Pep is one of the best ever” - that ENHANCES my point ffs, even the very, very best to have ever done it in management need TIME. If anything managers like GP need MORE TIME.”

Potter has not spent anything, Todd and Co have. 

45 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Difference though is that everything was ready for Pep to come in, hence why it took him literally only a season to get a grasp on things. With Potter he's in a sticky situation given our whole infrastructure has changed to match the likes of City and Liverpool. 

Yup Potter is up sh*t creak without a paddle 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

 

I'd have absolute full faith in Potter if we finish 3rd/4th while all the metrics suggest we should be doing even better.

Roman for instance let Mourinho have the time till December before he sacked him and it didn't really change anything as we finished 10th, Boehly probably thought the sooner a big change is done the better but I believe that Potter won't be able to do what Tuchel did after taking over from Lampard.
Lampard had a loose-style and once Tuchel came in he brought the structure and stability with him but in time that stopped working so if you ask me, Potter has no chance to finish top 3 and we'll only finish top 4 if the teams around us fail massively, the Arsenal match convinced me of that...

After last season I'm sure many fans expected Tuchel to do better than top 4, to improve the squad and once again re-invent our style. But we had a terrible start of the season and despite the fact that Tuchel was fully backed by the club our team looked worse, 7 matches before he was sacked and a winning rate of about 50% along with 10 conceded goals was alarming, maybe not alarming for him to lose his job just yet but if the people in charge estimated that he's not the right person to lead and were aware that they are probably sacrificing a whole season just in order for someone like Potter to begin to rebuild the team, then they should see that through and stick with Potter during these bad times and give him the chance to rebuild the squad for the future.

So even if Potter doesn't finish top 4 (which I strongly believe he won't be able to do), Boehly's decision to trust in him has to have some longer term meaning than just the casual "bring us to top 4 ASAP" mentality. Meaning that if Potter gets sacked after finishing top 6 for example, Boehly will prove to have no real strategy for this club and in essence, that would be a huge sign that we're not going to do well under these new owners at all.

Edited November 8, 20223 yr by Gol15

I suppose we’ll find out when we don’t get top 4 how patient Todd will be. It’s all very well have a “philosophy” but it’s when it hits the balance sheet that it really counts. Will you trust your process and manager or throw it away?

We need to do something because even under Roman, we were nowhere near winning the league for a number of years. We’d dropped down the pecking order. Conte’s league title was abit of a fluke due to his world class coaching. Jose 2.0 was the first time a manager was able to build something but unfortunately, Jose lost his head. 

4 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Now I understand your user name !😂😂

Oi oi, be fair, I even offered the fellah my condolences, and sincere ones at that!

As for my username, it’s of musical origin, as in Upsetter by Lee Perry & The Upsetters. Decent enough, going on classic tune - and it seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

Edit: wrong thread, please see my input on the thread with the question about Tuchel's sacking and Potter replacing him

Edited November 8, 20223 yr by LongtimerLurker

9 minutes ago, Upsetter said:

Oi oi, be fair, I even offered the fellah my condolences, and sincere ones at that!

As for my username, it’s of musical origin, as in Upsetter by Lee Perry & The Upsetters. Decent enough, going on classic tune - and it seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

I’d forgotten this song. I’d always thought you’d got the name from Return of the Django

17 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Why on earth is he getting paid that much. Is it a 5 year contract?

Yep, 5 year deal. I think Brighton were looking to try and keep GP by offering him 4m a year. We went a tad north of that in order to get him.

6 hours ago, Argo said:

I'd have absolute full faith in Potter if we finish 3rd/4th while all the metrics suggest we should be doing even better.

I don't think you want to see a graph of rolling xG for vs xG against right now then...

2 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

I don't think you want to see a graph of rolling xG for vs xG against right now then...

Here is the one that matters to groups like Clearlake:

Liverpool bought for 330mill, now valued at 5bill after 1 title, 1 CL and a couple of cups in FSGs time of ownership.

Maybe in 10 years they can sell Chelsea for 7bill after 0 titles and 0 CLs. If so, happy investors.

Edited November 9, 20223 yr by axman2526