6 hours ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Bohley should sack potter and then sack himself at the same time

What you'd have us go out of business would you, cos that's what we were on the brink of.

Who would you be a "forever" fan of then

Most of the injured ones are expected to be fit come end of February unless there's a setback. Will it be enough to salvage a season by then? 

I have heavily criticized Potter and I think he deserves quite heavy criticism for a lot of the things he'd done. The squad is lacking but Potter is the main reason we are 10th and sinking because the squad is far from that bad, even with all the injuries. But last night I actually just felt bad for the man. He looked like a defeated and confused man on the touchline towards the end of the game and after and it's never nice to see someone like that. Still hoping he will turn it around by hope is fading.

We have some poor players but Potter is dragging players we know are good down to levels I have never seen from them before. I'm talking about the likes of Mount, Kovacic, Chalobah and even T.Silva who's now looking poor himself. Gallagher looks like a complete mess every time he comes on, Cucurella who won Brighton's player of the year last season under Potter (so we know he's good) looks like an amateur and there are many more examples as well.

It just stinks of having lost the dressing room. When a few don't perform it can be down to form, when nobody performs it's usually far bigger things going on. And it happens every.single.time that we think the players are worse than they really are when a manager has lost them. When that happened with Villas Boas many wanted to get rid of Lampard, Drogba & Terry for goodness sakes because they were supposedly over the top. They obviously weren't.

Mount could still be one of the best midfielders/attackers in the league. And at this point he's been so poor that he should be behind young Carney in the pecking order...

3 hours ago, Night-T said:

We also finished always top 4 since Havertz arrived in 2020.

Pretty sure if Enzo would have played yesterday we would have seen a difference, while we looked average with the other mids previous games. 

We surely have seen a difference with Zakaria or with Jorginho last couple of weeks. 

Doesn't mean that Havertz was doing his role scoring 20 goals every season though. Our frontline has been poor and there is no denying that.

I wished we had signed Enzo, but it's not like Zakaria dominated Fulham, the main difference was a fresh Felix with minimal time spent on our training ground and that's it.

A reliable source tells me that Todd’s people are in touch with Guus Hiddinck. 

53 minutes ago, Tubbs Tattsyrup said:

A reliable source tells me that Todd’s people are in touch with Guus Hiddinck. 

You/they could at the very least make it believable.

3 hours ago, OriginalS said:

I have heavily criticized Potter and I think he deserves quite heavy criticism for a lot of the things he'd done. The squad is lacking but Potter is the main reason we are 10th and sinking because the squad is far from that bad, even with all the injuries. But last night I actually just felt bad for the man. He looked like a defeated and confused man on the touchline towards the end of the game and after and it's never nice to see someone like that. Still hoping he will turn it around by hope is fading.

We have some poor players but Potter is dragging players we know are good down to levels I have never seen from them before. I'm talking about the likes of Mount, Kovacic, Chalobah and even T.Silva who's now looking poor himself. Gallagher looks like a complete mess every time he comes on, Cucurella who won Brighton's player of the year last season under Potter (so we know he's good) looks like an amateur and there are many more examples as well.

It just stinks of having lost the dressing room. When a few don't perform it can be down to form, when nobody performs it's usually far bigger things going on. And it happens every.single.time that we think the players are worse than they really are when a manager has lost them. When that happened with Villas Boas many wanted to get rid of Lampard, Drogba & Terry for goodness sakes because they were supposedly over the top. They obviously weren't.

Mount could still be one of the best midfielders/attackers in the league. And at this point he's been so poor that he should be behind young Carney in the pecking order...

I see yesterday's game differently. The team tried, whether the intensity and willingness of Felix drove them or not is down for discussion, but I thought that we only lost due to the red card. Had he not been shown the red, I was sure we were on the winning path that second half. The players are just not very good, but mostly the defenders (shocking KK, Chalobah and Azpi). In the midfield, only Zakaria was good defensively and Kova was missing most of the first half. The attacking three ran their socks off and created chancces (together with Hall), but you can see that Mount and Havertz don't like to release the ball to space with a quick pass. Felix did at least two runs behind the defenders which Mount and Havertz did not see, and which would have set him on a 1v1. Overall, I didn't see last night a team that had downed the tools, unlike previous games, and even with 10 men I thought that we had the initiative in some periods.

Edited January 13, 20233 yr by RMH

Hello Roman-eraists. Potter will not be sacked and I think we will avoid relegation. It is really not important whether we are 10th or 15th in the league. 

I really feel we will win again when we get our players back from injuries.

What Potter showed is our players are so out of form and sh*te that a new signing only training a couple days shows he’s head and shoulders above everyone else.

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

It is really not important whether we are 10th or 15th in the league. 

15th this year, 14th next season and then 9th the one after that. Exactly how he did it at Brighton.

Funny thing is that I literally think some would be alright with that in the name of longevity. Astounding to me but I respect that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

3 hours ago, Tubbs Tattsyrup said:

A reliable source tells me that Todd’s people are in touch with Guus Hiddinck. 

From some of these posts about Felix it's almost implied he was good because he hadn't spend too much time with us training. Which breeds an interesting thought, it's a shame about the red card because we had a genuine experiment to observe. Theoretically if Felix started well and progressively got worse as the season went on I think we all know who's at fault, bless him.

Now he has to spend even longer in training and less time on the pitch due to the suspension. So let's see how he plays in a month from now. I'm predicting he still performs well, but if he doesn't look as good it's hard to completely reduce it down to Potter. Since Felix only played for us once so it's a small sample size. Nevertheless it would still raise some eyebrows and questions

 

Edited January 13, 20233 yr by LongtimerLurker

8 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

From some of these posts about Felix it's almost implied he was good because he hadn't spend too much time with us training. Which breeds an interesting thought, it's a shame about the red card because we had a genuine experiment to observe. Theoretically if Felix started well and progressively got worse as the season went on I think we all know who's at fault, bless him.

I think that’s bang-on! I had a similar concern when Sterling joined and looked really fresh the first few games, that the same would happen (and if I recall, got slightly ridiculed for it)

Then his form dropped and looked like he was just chasing the ball all the time, which pretty much confirmed my worry. I don’t know what it is, but it seems to happen with a lot of players. Instead of taking their form forward (Hazard, Drogba, Costa, etc) players coming to us, seem to go backwards.

There is an argument that it’s happened to players also coming back from the World Cup.

We need to fix the striker issue. We do not have a goal scorer. It needs addressing. I don't even know if Thuram is the answer, he's another young and inexperienced player. The problem is we are in a position where it's a struggle to find other good quality players. 

4 minutes ago, enigma said:

We need to fix the striker issue. We do not have a goal scorer. It needs addressing. I don't even know if Thuram is the answer, he's another young and inexperienced player. The problem is we are in a position where it's a struggle to find other good quality players. 

Thuram is 25 and has played about 300 professional games across 2 leagues, in europe, and at international level.

We'll win again

Don't know where

Don't know when

But II know we'll win again

Some sunny day....

5 hours ago, Tubbs Tattsyrup said:

A reliable source tells me that Todd’s people are in touch with Sam Allardyce.

 

fixxd that

I pretty much agree with the points Mark Goldbridge makes here. As a rival fan he is level headed and he is pretty much spot on here. 

 

21 minutes ago, enigma said:

I pretty much agree with the points Mark Goldbridge makes here. As a rival fan he is level headed and he is pretty much spot on here. 

 

That was great actually. I thought he was pretty much bang on.

Slept on it but I'm having a hard time seeing where this support of Graham Potter is coming from or why people are operating under the Delusion he did particularly well at Brighton. He didn't despite the media PR and constant ass licking he got he won 28% of his premier league games there and finished in the top half once.  

While having a worse win percentage than Pulis at Stoke, Big Sam across all his clubs, Roy Hodgson across his clubs, Moyes at Everton, all 4 managers significantly less money than Potter. All 4 scoring more goals per game as well. Is that really enough to be linked with a big side? He wouldn't be here if he wasn't English.

The man went 11 games without a league win last season. had another run of 6 conseuctive losses. Runs like that arent good enough for any serious side. I can strongly relate to how Newcastle fans felt about Steve Bruce were we quite clearly have a crap manager with the complete wrong mindset but because of his nationality and his friends in the media there's a complete lack of any deserved criticism

3 hours ago, OriginalS said:

15th this year, 14th next season and then 9th the one after that. Exactly how he did it at Brighton.

Funny thing is that I literally think some would be alright with that in the name of longevity. Astounding to me but I respect that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

If he shows improvement all the time. We have twice the players Brighton has. Longevity means just that.

Roman era was Roman era. Brilliant era but longevity in terms of... anything... was apparent.

We need to trust the process at some point.

I saw someone on twitter said we need just 5 wins for safety. I can't believe we've been reduced to hoping for safety, but that exactly it get safety guaranteed and we can all clock out emotionally from these performances. For those that aren't genuinely afraid, we are in relegation form whether you believe or not. 

We need to start picking up points, even if they're from draws at this stage. 1 win in 10 league games, 6 loses in 10 league games. That's a total of 6 points to from 30.....

 

Edited January 13, 20233 yr by LongtimerLurker

8 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I saw someone on twitter said we need just 5 wins for safety. I can't believe we've been reduced to hoping for safety, but that exactly it get safety guaranteed and we can all clock out emotionally from these performances. For those that aren't genuinely afraid, we are in relegation form whether you believe or not. 

We need to start picking up points, even if they're from draws at this stage. 1 win in 10 league games, 6 loses in 10 league games. That's a total of 6 points to from 30.....

 

I don't think we're in any real danger of getting relegated, but we'll most likely finish between 8th-14th, which is an insane underachievement considering we've spent the most in the league this year. Under any other manager, including Frank Lampard, that wouldn't be tolerated. But apparently its okay with Potter because he finished 9th with Brighton one time.

1 hour ago, enigma said:

I pretty much agree with the points Mark Goldbridge makes here. As a rival fan he is level headed and he is pretty much spot on here. 

 

Thats just bullsh*t

'if you stick with Potter it will get better', bollocks. This is only because it cant get any worse.

We lose the next 4 games we will be in 13-14th place. And then if James and co. comeback, of course we will improve but to what degree? finishing 10th at the end of the season? After inheriting a team that spend 300m, finished 3rd last season, got into 3 finals last season, FCWC winner, you dropped into 13-14th place in the middle of the season is already unforgivable, embarrassing and a disgrace and deserve the sack every single day of the week.

Even with so many injuries that team we sent out last night - is miles better than what Fulham had and not to forget Fulham didnt have Mitrovic. We had all the internationals - Havertz, felix, Dave, Silva, Kovacic, Mount, anyone of them are worth more than most of the opponent team player's combined transfer value. 

Not to mention to lose 8/10 games, 1W1D8L? This form can get you the sack even if you are Sunderland manager let alone a Chelsea manager

We are such a weird club. 

We are putting all of our faith and resources into this guy, from all the great managers we've had here in the history of the club, we're putting all our faith in Potter... Even if we do start picking up some wins, it'll all be for nothing because we're going to waste years of "transitioning" for the sake of this man who has relatively done nothing in the game whatsoever. 

That to me is more painful than any of the defeats we're getting right now. As fans we've unfortunately predicted so many bad signings and just had to cope and ride the nonsense out. Now it's the same with the manager, it's obvious this guy isn't the man for the job, injuries and bad form aside you can see he's not up to it. But we have to put up with it regardless until the club actually realises it...