8 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Sell me then. Truth be told I’m ignorant on Nagelsmann and don’t know anything other than what my Bayern mates tell me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean Bayern fans are similar to Madrid, Barca and PSG fans since they all dominate their leagues and expect nothing other than first. Anything below first is sackable so I'm not surprised there are Bayern fans that don't rate him. To put it into context, Nagelsmann was only 1 point behind the top when he got fired and had great performances with Bayern in the CL. His firing was also backroom-related vs performance-related. There are several Bayern fans who also don't believe it was the right decision to sack him as well and are as disgruntled as Chelsea fans when we fired Tuchel. IMO he isn't a bad manager and is probably amongst the best of the ones that are available. It's why I'm confused he has a bad rep here and people keep comparing his CV to Potter. 

Think Naglesmann is about as good as we are going to get. Carlos, Klopp are a long shot, pretty sure Klopp wont come to us even if Liverpool sacks him. Bayern sacked Naglesmann because this is the first time in a long time they have got competitions for the title, the odds are still in their favour. He has done a good job, replacing Lewandoski's goals is never going to be easy. That CV compares to the last guy we had, it's no contest, sorry to be blunt to Graham but it's true.

2 hours ago, Ajbod said:

They're holding on in the hope of

a) Someone buys out his contract or

b) He resigns and forfeits his outstanding contract.

By appointing another coach in his place is already a breach of contract by Bayern. The contract is torn up since then and nothing to speak of except compensation and damages on Bayern for not honouring the contract. 

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Probably @Munkworth, he is the forum WUM after all.

Though would make sense if his posted sites links to closeups of cats...

How is posting something helpful being a wum? This just goes to help prove your credentials as forum c**t. 

So, I have this morning woken up with a real "spring in my step". I have NEVER been so glad to see the back of a Manager/coach at Chelsea as I am to see the back of Potter. The classic case of a Manager over-promoted and out of his depth. I wish him well in his future career except of course when (if) he ever comes up against Chelsea. Talkspite are putting him up for the Leicester job this morning, just about his level.

9 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

How is posting something helpful being a wum? This just goes to help prove your credentials as forum c**t. 

You post helpful things? I must have blinked and missed it  😉

On your second point:

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9 hours ago, Nick05 said:

Bayern sack Naglesmann to stop Tuchel from going to spurs. 

We sack Potter to stop Naglesmann from going too spurs ?

I was thinking the same Nick 🙂

This is the man we need, Soon to be fired by Real Madrid, lets get him back to finish the job he started.

If my maths are correct, Graham Potter's stats are:  Played 31. Won 12. Drawn 8. Lost 11.  For 32.  Against 31.  Sad he's lost his job but he wasn't good enough for us and this run of results couldn't go on. 

7 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Looking for our third manager in one season might be responsible for any hire and fire comment

Which of course nobody else has done either

With the new ownership coming in and the way they handled their business it made me believe:

A) We could be seeking for managerial stability

B) We could be breaking the cycle of hiring just the absolute top tier managers. We haven't really ever hired a one that is showing all the potential and with us he makes the break to the absolute top. I guess we tried and failed this time. By firing Potter we accepted defeat.

Anyway I am excited for the new appointment. Potter as a person is as interesting as a dusty tea set in the back of a cupboard. His pressers were extremely dull par a couple of nice interactions. He never revealed anything interesting. Tuchel's pressers were gold. Loved listening to him. 

Boehly and co are learning the ropes and we are all invited to watch the show...

Next chapter awaits.

3 minutes ago, evissy said:

B) We could be breaking the cycle of hiring just the absolute top tier managers. We haven't really ever hired a one that is showing all the potential and with us he makes the break to the absolute top. I guess we tried and failed this time. By firing Potter we accepted defeat.

 

Because it doesn't work, ever. We tried with Villas-Boas, we tried with Sarri, we tried with Lampard. For a top club, the absolute minimum requirement should be a coach who had won at least one trophy.

Anyone can talk tactics, philosophy etc but very few coaches can actually create a team that wins something.

 

 

i am sorry i dont feel elated.. or i told you so.. just sad on this.. How did we get this soo wrong from the start it was a bad project and bad time. If they wanted him they should have sacked TT before the preseason. The ownership cant be sacked but i feel sad for the club and for GP - no one turns down a CFC job.

I hope we do better with the next one - feel nothing around GP i think he got a lot wrong and didnt help his own cause.

What I'm also hearing is that Chelsea have reached an agreement with GP to pay a lower severance package than the ~50mil that we would have had to pay him for the remaining duration of his contract. If that's true, then I have no idea why he would agree to a lower payout. The dude lacks any kind of ruthlessness. He seems just too nice to be anywhere near a top job in the future.

I would think there will be turmoil in the dressing room today.  All those players that were supposedly leaving in the summer now have a chance to fight for their places. On top of that you have a dozen or so out there on loan somewhere that no doubt would have been out the door also now also given a life line.   While he had to go I think the timing has made matters worse TBH; leaving at the end of the season would have made more sense, given that there is nothing to play for league wise, unless they do have someone lined up that they believe is capable of competing against Real, or they are still praying they can still get a European spot in any of the competitions. Who ever comes in now will have what 40+ players to look at before the new season starts.  If Todd gets his grubbies on the squad before a new appointment has been announced and flogs the wrong players just to get around FFP who knows what mess he's going to create.

54 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

You post helpful things? I must have blinked and missed it  😉

That the accusation being thrown around. 
 

Anyway 12ft Ladder normally works for me and those little old paywalls. 

7 hours ago, azpi28 said:

can't Emma Hayes take over for the rest of the season

She's probably scare the sh*t out the young players who have never been sworn at and got more Participation Certificates than we have trophies...they all need cuddling these days.

8 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Well not someone so closely associated with Potter's tactics and decisions that it's unlikely to change anything?

 

8 hours ago, ozboy said:

Conte. Or my personal choice is postecogleu. Or Klopp 

It's an emergency interim, they aren't going to appoint someone who isn't already at the club. 

Tottenham literally have Contes right hand man as their manager at the moment. 

19 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

I would think there will be turmoil in the dressing room today.  All those players that were supposedly leaving in the summer now have a chance to fight for their places. On top of that you have a dozen or so out there on loan somewhere that no doubt would have been out the door also now also given a life line.   While he had to go I think the timing has made matters worse TBH; leaving at the end of the season would have made more sense, given that there is nothing to play for league wise, unless they do have someone lined up that they believe is capable of competing against Real, or they are still praying they can still get a European spot in any of the competitions. Who ever comes in now will have what 40+ players to look at before the new season starts.  If Todd gets his grubbies on the squad before a new appointment has been announced and flogs the wrong players just to get around FFP who knows what mess he's going to create.

You know we have a whole team of people who make those decisions now, not Todd or the manager. 

7 hours ago, azpi28 said:

Potter took östersunds into Europe (a bit similar to what Nagelsmann did with Hoffenheim) 

RB Leipzig didn't play any big teams in that CL run. Beating Tottenham and Atletico isn't that impressive. 

Knocked Atletico out tbf. 

19 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

She's probably scare the sh*t out the young players who have never been sworn at and got more Participation Certificates than we have trophies...they all need cuddling these days.

She’s too busy fighting for three trophies anyway. 

9 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Nagelsmann's record

 

Hoffeinheim

2015-16: Took over when they were 7 points from safety with 14 games to go, managed to win 7 out of the 14 and they survived by a point in 15th. Decent season.

2016-17: Ended up finishing 4th, qualifying for the Champions League play off. Amazing season.

2017-18: Finished 3rd, though only 3 points higher than 2017. Knocked out of CL in the play off and finished bottom of Europa League group. Still good season.

2018-19: Finished 9th and bottom of CL group. Poor season.

RB Leipzig

2019-20: Finished 3rd, same as last season under Rangnick. Won CL group and reached semi final, knocked out by PSG. Great season. 

2020-21: Finished 2nd, one point less than season before. Lost in German cup final. 2nd in CL group and knocked out last 16 by Liverpool. Good season.

Bayern Munich

2021-22: Won Bundesliga comfortably, scoring 97 goals. Destroyed CL group, but knocked out by Villareal in quarter finals. Decent season.

2022-23: Had dropped to 2nd in the Bundesliga, though scored 72 in 26 games. Destroyed CL group again. Fairly poor season. 

 

Overall from the outside I'd say he's a pretty big upgrade on Potter, though hasn't overachieved significantly since leaving Hoffenheim. His teams tend to score a lot of goals even with a poor squad like Hoffenheim which is a good sign. Potter every season at Brighton had trouble scoring in comparison.

 

He also managed to get a 34 goal season out of Timo Werner which is saying something 

Looks like to me that the only thing he has over Potter is that he has European experience, apart from that he's won about as much as Potter.   The next Manager has to have winning mentality and few trophies in his back pocket, but also embraces working with young players and there lies the problem, there aren't many of those lying around right now.   Todd has brought in some of the best young talent in the world, an experienced winning manager likely won't have the patience to take a couple years to build the winning mentality needed to win trophies and titles while binning the experienced players to the sidelines.  Look at the young players we've signed that are not at the club yet so I can't see Todd dumping the youngsters with the investment he's made, so that means most of the older players will be shown the door, and rightly so in some cases.   Nope, its certainly going to be a turbulent few months ahead that's for sure.

48 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Because it doesn't work, ever. We tried with Villas-Boas, we tried with Sarri, we tried with Lampard. For a top club, the absolute minimum requirement should be a coach who had won at least one trophy.

Anyone can talk tactics, philosophy etc but very few coaches can actually create a team that wins something.

 

 

It seems like it is working with Arteta, it worked with Pep when he started, it has propelled Nagelsmann to contention of the absolute top tier positions. At some point coaches need their big break. Chelsea has never been that place to anyone. Our culture and club is not willing to accept bad times and results. 

14 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

You know we have a whole team of people who make those decisions now, not Todd or the manager. 

They are 'advisors' not decision makers; they can provide advice and all the recommendations they want but Todd's in charge of the greenbacks and we need to make FFP + the new manager will no doubt want to bring in a player or two, although he'll be spoiled for choice with the amount of players we have.

With Nagelsmann we would first of all accept a major risk due to his lack of experience and I am 100% sure he would be here maximum of 2 seasons. If we hire him this is what we should expect. Admittedly he is more risk free than many of his peers but I see him more of a Tottenham coach to be fair.