3 minutes ago, RMH said:

But seriously, do people believe that successful business people like Boehly and co will go agreeing verbally an amount to then lowball on their agreement? I’m not a businessman nor do I know how multimillion companies do business, but I find it really hard to believe that that’s how they operate. If Boehly gives an verbal agreement I trust that their word is good, he wouldn’t be where he is trying to scam people. It’s more likely chancers pretending to be journalists creating sh*t news to gain their living. 

That Trump fella is pretty successful no?

Journos are fed what the clubs want them to know. Someone mentioned a while back that 8/10 stories that you read on transfers are false, so until this deal is over with, whether he signs or not, then we've no idea. 

Whole situation is cringe, if you want him then get him. Don't lead him and the fans on to think you're willing to meet the requirements for Benfica to sell only to low ball them. 

Sets a bad precedent for any future deals with Boehly, say what you want about Marina but she was always praised by the people she did dealings with.

4 minutes ago, enigma said:

Journos are fed what the clubs want them to know. Someone mentioned a while back that 8/10 stories that you read on transfers are false, so until this deal is over with, whether he signs or not, then we've no idea. 

The Benfica fan on here seems pretty knowledgeable. And the Benfica manager has been open about it. Let's see if anyone at our club says anything. If they dont then really someone from Benfica is the best source on the matter.

Just now, axman2526 said:

The Benfica fan on here seems pretty knowledgeable. And the Benfica manager has been open about it. Let's see if anyone at our club says anything. If they dont then really someone from Benfica is the best source on the matter.

To be fair, he's a fan. Just like you or I, we aren't experts on what is going on in the boardroom. They are going to be fed pro-Benfica reports. Benfica want to make themselves appear strong in the negotiations. I am sure Boehly isn't used to the dealings of football as he is with dealing with American sports, but we will only get one side of the story that will favour Benfica as they want to keep one of their most important assets. Benfica are known to be savvy and wise operators due to their ability to sell on players for big fees. People keep putting too much faith in these journos and their "tiers" of reliability, but none of them are behind the scenes so they are all pretty much pissing in the wind. Romano and Di Marzio have been unreliable before, and they are the supposed most reliable journos out there. 

It's like groundhog day with Chelsea these days, just never ending negativity. I wish the world cup had never ended.

2 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Boehly and Vivell have embarrassed the club. Did they really think lowballing was going to work? If anything this has just burnt a bridge with Benfica and now other clubs are going to be wary when negotiating with us. 

 

 

So bad so so bad... Makes whole CFC look like a small club with this!

I can't believe they offered less than the buyout and in 3 payments + players LOL that garbage stuff doesn't even work in Football Manager game... If this was Roman and Marina I would be 100% sure they are super drunk or something...

Edited January 5, 20233 yr by Gol15

18 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Whole situation is cringe, if you want him then get him. Don't lead him and the fans on to think you're willing to meet the requirements for Benfica to sell only to low ball them. 

Sets a bad precedent for any future deals with Boehly, say what you want about Marina but she was always praised by the people she did dealings with.

How have they led the fans on?

17 minutes ago, enigma said:

To be fair, he's a fan. Just like you or I, we aren't experts on what is going on in the boardroom. They are going to be fed pro-Benfica reports. Benfica want to make themselves appear strong in the negotiations. I am sure Boehly isn't used to the dealings of football as he is with dealing with American sports, but we will only get one side of the story that will favour Benfica as they want to keep one of their most important assets. Benfica are known to be savvy and wise operators due to their ability to sell on players for big fees. People keep putting too much faith in these journos and their "tiers" of reliability, but none of them are behind the scenes so they are all pretty much pissing in the wind. Romano and Di Marzio have been unreliable before, and they are the supposed most reliable journos out there. 

We don't have to go by what some fan or journo says. The information comes from the Benfica manager who made public statements on the matter in a press conference today.

 

42 minutes ago, RMH said:

But seriously, do people believe that successful business people like Boehly and co will go agreeing verbally an amount to then lowball on their agreement? I’m not a businessman nor do I know how multimillion companies do business, but I find it really hard to believe that that’s how they operate. If Boehly gives a verbal agreement I trust that their word is good, he wouldn’t be where he is trying to scam people. It’s more likely chancers pretending to be journalists creating sh*t news to gain their living. 

This 100%,  but you know Kevin on a CFC forum knows better.

2 minutes ago, abramovich said:

We don't have to go by what some fan or journo says. The information comes from the Benfica manager who made public statements on the matter in a press conference today.

 

And we know that managers never ever lie ....ever....

8 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Love it how the so called "in the knows" never admit when they have it so wrong! All made up nonsense and click bait headlines.

I have said it once, and will say it again - I miss Colin Hutchinson who would just pull transfers out of the hat without media picking up a thing.

Agreed. Like i said elsewhere, you don't get any of the sh*t with the scouse. None of this rambling bollox over Gakpo was there. First anyone heard, it was job done. Not a three week medical or requesting Klarna terms, Todd Boehly's air miles voucher and offering half the youth squad on loan.

If what is mentioned above is true, and would i really be surprised, we deserve all we are going to get really.

21 minutes ago, dkw said:

And we know that managers never ever lie ....ever....

Of course they do, but 99% of the time they refrain from making public statements on ongoing transfer negotiations, for obvious reasons. If he made an exception in this case, there must have been a reason for that. You may think he's lying and you're entitled to your opinion but I'm inclined to believe he's telling the truth.

24 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Agreed. Like i said elsewhere, you don't get any of the sh*t with the scouse. None of this rambling bollox over Gakpo was there. First anyone heard, it was job done. Not a three week medical or requesting Klarna terms, Todd Boehly's air miles voucher and offering half the youth squad on loan.

If what is mentioned above is true, and would i really be surprised, we deserve all we are going to get really.

Actually that's not true. In summer 2017 they pissed Southampton off with their pursuit of VVD to the point it collapsed all be it they fixed things the following window. Infact it sounds like almost an identical story to this (ala convinced the player then upset the buying club).

What most people don’t realise was the extent of which the landscape changed at this point. The race for the defender had been won, with Van Dijk’s heart set on a move to Merseyside.

Through their actions however, along with leaked reports, the Reds had scuppered it for everyone.

The apology—produced only to curry favour with authorities in the event of an investigation—was Liverpool’s response to Southampton reporting their actions.

 

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/09/happened-liverpools-virgil-van-dijk-pursuit-can-bid-january/

A few years ago granted but it was the same as there current setup so pretty relevant in this context.

If you're not p*****g the other party off during negotiation with terms you're probably doing something wrong.  

That said, our recent pattern of public negotiation is not doing much for the image and brand of the club, especially as other clubs seem to form some kind of resentment towards the club. 

1. Club X has said to Players Agent Y, that they will trigger the clause

2. Club X and Player Agent Y has agreed the contract

3. Club X has made an offer less than the clause to Club U

4. Club U and Agent Y are confused and both are very angry 

5. Agent Y customer is very confused and cant belive this is true, made some stupid decisions not to follow club rules because though deal was done

 

 

Sidenote; Club X will not be trusted in this business.

 

Youtube channel: Sport Lisboa e Benfica for interview 

4 hours ago, dkw said:

How have they led the fans on?

By pursuing Enzo without true conviction. Look you can say they're trying to get the best possible deal for the club, but if they verbally agree something and go back on their word 2 things happen. One they lose the trust of the party they are negotiating with, secondly they make us as a club look untrustworthy we'll doing business with. We don't want to find ourselves getting a reputation under Boehly and Co for bad transfer etiquette.

 

42 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

By pursuing Enzo without true conviction. Look you can say they're trying to get the best possible deal for the club, but if they verbally agree something and go back on their word 2 things happen. One they lose the trust of the party they are negotiating with, secondly they make us as a club look untrustworthy we'll doing business with. We don't want to find ourselves getting a reputation under Boehly and Co for bad transfer etiquette.

 

But you don't know if Any of that is true, its all on twatter hearsay, random know nothing f**kwits filling you full of sh*te. If you choose to believe that nonsense then that's on you, nobody else. To claim the club have led the fans on is utter tosh.

3 minutes ago, dkw said:

But you don't know if Any of that is true, its all on twatter hearsay, random know nothing f**kwits filling you full of sh*te. If you choose to believe that nonsense then that's on you, nobody else. To claim the club have led the fans on is utter tosh.

If someone can lie to potential players of the club, who can trust them? Football business is gentleman game. If you burn yourself in that game, you are done.

12 minutes ago, dkw said:

But you don't know if Any of that is true, its all on twatter hearsay, random know nothing f**kwits filling you full of sh*te. If you choose to believe that nonsense then that's on you, nobody else. To claim the club have led the fans on is utter tosh.

Mate their coach literally came out and said they're not happy with us for the reason we're discussing. It's literally being reported from reputable sources how we agreed verbally and then went back and low ball. I appreciate you're willingness to try and take a step back and be 'impartial' or maybe you just support the board blindly idk but this is on them they've made a mistake whether you agree or not

I’m sorry, but having listened to the coach interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPWMgu3bhZw) it’s all BS from the journalists. According to the coach we: 

1) negotiated with the player and he wants to come;

2) Benfica never wanted to sell, so the only way to get him was by paying the full rescission clause;

3) there was no negotiation between the clubs but maybe a lower offer from Chelsea.

Therefore, we can say that those saying that we had reached an agreement with SLB for £35m in 3 years instalments to then lowballing them were lying since there was no negotiation with Benfica other than them saying that they did not want to sell, and us offering below the rescission (which is also not for sure how much it was offered). In any negotiation, there are two starting positions and you reach an agreement at the point agreeable by the two sides. It’s normal to start with a lower offer than the asking price. Benfica has not negotiated since they don’t want to sell, so we could not have reached a verbal agreement with them in the first place. It’s all BS from the journalists, as always. 

 

48 minutes ago, PrinceOfPortugal said:

If someone can lie to potential players of the club, who can trust them? Football business is gentleman game. If you burn yourself in that game, you are done.

Football hasn't been a gentleman's game since the days before colour tv. Rugby maybe but not football. That soul was sold decades ago.

Boehly and his crew learnt nothing from the previous window, it's pure comedy if it happens to any other club.

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Boehly and his crew learnt nothing from the previous window, it's pure comedy if it happens to any other club.

Still is pure comedy gold. Just for everyone else mate.

12 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Spot on. Rather than paying well over the odds for a player who has played under 20 games in Europe, why not actually get our scouts to earn their salary, and buy the players direct from source.

If they cant find them, then how about hire the Benfica and Porto scouts? They never seem to do badly and recruiting cracking players.

That's the thing though, we blew a ton of money on Casadei and Chukwumeka saying "this is one for the future" when an actual good player that can improve us now and "one for the future" was available, we didn't go for him. 

What was so good about Casadei and Chukwumeka that we overlooked Enzo Fernandez?