2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

These stats are pointless.. I saw this throughout last season. People will look at those stats and say "Chelsea are playing well" but we're not, we were sh*te against Wimbledon, West Ham (second half) and Forest. We never have a period in a game where we create mutiple chances in quick succession. We can make one big chance and it will be another 20 or 30 minutes until we make another one. The big misses every game are an issue that needs sorting, but I see all of the top 6 miss big chances in almost every game, but it's more noticeable when we miss an easy chance because we fail to create another good one. Look at Arsenal against United, Havertz completely misses the ball with a fresh air shot. If he was a Chelsea player, that would be costly, but because he plays with a team that will create many more chances, it's not a big deal.

As for the possession. It's another meaningless stat without context. Teams allow us to have the ball, and for good reason. When we have a ton of possession, we almost always end up making a big error that leads to us losing the ball and conceding a big chance. Teams just need to bide their time and they know we will make a big error. We do it in every single game. Even in the Liverpool game that we were the better side in, Sanchez gave the ball away to Nunez and he should have punished us to win the game for Liverpool. If we're not making mistakes, teams just sit back and watch us create nothing, because they know how pathetic we are at creating chances.

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I am confused the stats shows that we are creating chances at one of the highest rate but we can't score.

Yet you say if that Kai misses happen to us, it will be costly because we can't create another chance. 

Your conclusion make no sense. I think the conclusion that you can take is that Kai can't finish but it doesn't matter because arsenal has other player who can score. 😅😅

Edited September 7, 20232 yr by Bob stark

I think I can sum up a lot of people opinion about our performance so far.

If we have Haaland instead of this st who scored only 12 goals in la liga, poch is a genius but because we have Nicholas Jackson, we didn’t play well. 

 

Edited September 7, 20232 yr by Bob stark

I'd also divide the stats into the pre carney injury and after. I don't want to over rate one player but when he was fit we had a balanced attack down both wings, once he is out chilwell is supposed to do the attacking, with conor and caicedo trys to do the kante/jorginho job on his own then the team has gone down hill.

There are various answers, shifting sterling back to the left and playing madueke, actually giving Mudryck a decent 2-3 game spell (the option I favour) or playing Palmer at 10 and  on the left (not as I understand it where he naturally plays). What ever the answer is, it doesn't involve having chilwell trying to be the new Gareth Bale

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

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I am confused the stats shows that we are creating chances at one of the highest rate but we can't score.

Yet you say if that Kai misses happen to us, it will be costly because we can't create another chance. 

Your conclusion make no sense. I think the conclusion that you can take is that Kai can't finish but it doesn't matter because arsenal has other player who can score. 😅😅

It makes perfect sense. We don't create big chances in quick succession. We create one chance, then it goes quiet in front of goal, or we just create a bunch of 50/50 chances that end with a weak shot. The stats are misleading because it implies we are creating a ton of chances, and if you watch our games, this is clearly not the case. Anybody that says otherwise is not watching live. Havertz misses that chance for Arsenal and what do Arsenal do? they go and create another, and another, and another. They keep applying pressure, they don't go 20-30 minute periods not creating good chances. We miss a good chance and you know that it's going to be a while before we create another one just as good, and if the opposition score, we often don't create one at all, because they sit back and we can't break through. Even against Luton, we were sh*t after Sterling's first goal. It wasn't until just before the 2nd goal that we looked comfortable.

All of these stats are misleading, even the possession one. Even with all of that possession, I never think we are in control of a game. Teams are allowing us to have possession. It's not like we are keeping possession because the opposition can't live with us. 

Edited September 7, 20232 yr by Scott Harris

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Only Stat that matters is the final score.

Yep. I remember when Arsenal used to use possession as an excuse for why they were the better team against us, but we kept beating them. They would huff and puff, but Cech was often untested because they couldn't get past our wall. Then when we had the ball, we powered our way through and won the game. We were ruthless, they were weak, now it's the opposite, but we are much weaker now than Arsenal were back then.

I hate how prolific stats are now in football, just following on from American sports. We now have pre-assists for f**ks sake, wat a moronic stat that is.

All we have now is Nerds creating spreadsheets to prove how better their team is, ok we lost but we had loads more XG and also our right winger covered 1km more than your right winger. 

Edited September 7, 20232 yr by dkw

I agree. In the end it comes down to who wants it more and who has better luck.

2 hours ago, ozboy said:

I'd also divide the stats into the pre carney injury and after. I don't want to over rate one player but when he was fit we had a balanced attack down both wings, once he is out chilwell is supposed to do the attacking, with conor and caicedo trys to do the kante/jorginho job on his own then the team has gone down hill.

There are various answers, shifting sterling back to the left and playing madueke, actually giving Mudryck a decent 2-3 game spell (the option I favour) or playing Palmer at 10 and  on the left (not as I understand it where he naturally plays). What ever the answer is, it doesn't involve having chilwell trying to be the new Gareth Bale

All I know is, this back 3 formation doesn't work and it hasn't worked for us for a long time now, yes Tuchel made it work and won the CL but afterwards it was clear that we are playing for a narrow 1:0 victory which simply put isn't good enough. 

We're the only team that still tries to constantly play it, even after spending 1billion euros for all these new players and that makes no sense. Usually when you spend that much, you see a change but we're still not scoring goals and not winning enough matches. 5 goals scored in 4 matches is only there because Luton is just a bottom feeder team and we also conceded the same amount.

What we need to do is to play 2 central defenders in a 4-2-3-1 and just play it out, in the long run it will benefit the whole squad. Poch needs to find where he put his balls and start playing football.

The most telling statistic weekly is the final result of a game. The most telling statistic seasonally is the Premier League table.

All other statistics are secondary. Secondary statistics are discussed about when there are no results to discuss about.

When you have one result a week on Saturday you are talking about secondary statistics every other day of the week. So it seems that is more important.

The same phenomenon is in every walk of life these days of the social media. Sometimes it is highly frustrating.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

It makes perfect sense. We don't create big chances in quick succession. We create one chance, then it goes quiet in front of goal, or we just create a bunch of 50/50 chances that end with a weak shot. The stats are misleading because it implies we are creating a ton of chances, and if you watch our games, this is clearly not the case. Anybody that says otherwise is not watching live. Havertz misses that chance for Arsenal and what do Arsenal do? they go and create another, and another, and another. They keep applying pressure, they don't go 20-30 minute periods not creating good chances. We miss a good chance and you know that it's going to be a while before we create another one just as good, and if the opposition score, we often don't create one at all, because they sit back and we can't break through. Even against Luton, we were sh*t after Sterling's first goal. It wasn't until just before the 2nd goal that we looked comfortable.

All of these stats are misleading, even the possession one. Even with all of that possession, I never think we are in control of a game. Teams are allowing us to have possession. It's not like we are keeping possession because the opposition can't live with us. 

If you want us to have sustain attack like arsenal, then it is time to sell all this raw attacker. 

We overloaded the right hand side with Madueke, Palmer and Gusto against forest and it led to nothing. 

Our biggest source of attack so far is Sterling attacking the right hand side and put the ball to the box for Jackson and Chilwell to attack. 

Our the left hand side is meant for Nkunku who can attack the box and connect play. Chilwell can attack the box but can't connect. Murdyk can't do either. So it is a bit of a dead end.

We can surely move Sterling to lw who can connect and attack the box. But who will feed Sterling? Madueke can beat player slowly but his final ball is very lacking. 

Just imagine if we have Saka or madison instead of murdyk, madueke, palmer. You put Madison on the left or 10. Keep Chilwell as lw and you will say different things about our offense. We are talking about the exact same system here, just one player difference. 

Right now the fact that we can still create chances with this limitation is the story. We are playing well. We just need James, carney n Nkunku back. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

If you want us to have sustain attack like arsenal, then it is time to sell all this raw attacker. 

We overloaded the right hand side with Madueke, Palmer and Gusto against forest and it led to nothing. 

Our biggest source of attack so far is Sterling attacking the right hand side and put the ball to the box for Jackson and Chilwell to attack. 

Our the left hand side is meant for Nkunku who can attack the box and connect play. Chilwell can attack the box but can't connect. Murdyk can't do either. So it is a bit of a dead end.

We can surely move Sterling to lw who can connect and attack the box. But who will feed Sterling? Madueke can beat player slowly but his final ball is very lacking. 

Just imagine if we have Saka or madison instead of murdyk, madueke, palmer. You put Madison on the left or 10. Keep Chilwell as lw and you will say different things about our offense. We are talking about the exact same system here, just one player difference. 

Right now the fact that we can still create chances with this limitation is the story. We are playing well. We just need James, carney n Nkunku back. 

 

 

All well and good except, against Forest, Jackson flubbed 3 gilt-edged chances in the 6 yard box. Twice he couldn't sort out his feet, for the third he somehow managed to put it over the bar. 

18 minutes ago, dermott said:

All well and good except, against Forest, Jackson flubbed 3 gilt-edged chances in the 6 yard box. Twice he couldn't sort out his feet, for the third he somehow managed to put it over the bar. 

I was going write about Jackson at the end but he has been so good, I don't want to criticize him. 

Jackson imo has been a pleasant surprise. He has been better then I expected. His movement is unbelievable but his finishing will take time. Hopefully he can get better. Right now he is far from finished product. 

I think @forbzy was the one who said that we should let Lukaku fight to get into the team and I disagree because I said Lukaku didn’t need to fight, he will get into the team straight away. 

In perfect world you want an established st to start and Jackson as lw and then bring him into CF slowly. Hopefully, Jackson will continue making his run and doesn't lose confidence. 

 

26 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I was going write about Jackson at the end but he has been so good, I don't want to criticize him. 

Jackson imo has been a pleasant surprise. He has been better then I expected. His movement is unbelievable but his finishing will take time. Hopefully he can get better. Right now he is far from finished product. 

I think @forbzy was the one who said that we should let Lukaku fight to get into the team and I disagree because I said Lukaku didn’t need to fight, he will get into the team straight away. 

In perfect world you want an established st to start and Jackson as lw and then bring him into CF slowly. Hopefully, Jackson will continue making his run and doesn't lose confidence. 

 

I agree. He does so many things right. I doubt he will lose confidence. Composure in the 6 yard box is his issue. He had an air shot in one of the earlier games. Hopefully composure will come with experience.

Do people honestly think we played bad against Forest? I'm not talking about the finishing i mean the actual game dominating and creating chances etc.

12 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Only Stat that matters is the final score.

When we were unbeaten for a lot of games at the start under Potter but not looking convicing no one was saying that then, can't work both ways.

27 minutes ago, Argo said:

When we were unbeaten for a lot of games at the start under Potter but not looking convicing no one was saying that then, can't work both ways.

As you said Argo, that was during a period we were unbeaten for the majority of games. The odd loss happens but in majority we were winning or at least drawing. Final score being what matters.

So as the majority turned to losses and draws, the attitude got a lot more hostile to Potter and the team. 

Majority here is 1 win, 2 losses and a draw, so the place, and the Bridge, is hostile.

Really like Poch, but it's very worrying how he's playing 5 out and out defenders each week and at least one defensive minded midfielder. Ofc we can't score goals with 7 defensive players on the pitch.

Everyone needs to stop copying Tuchel, and come up with their own blueprint. I have no doubt Pochettino is the right man for the job and will have us do well. I kept my targets realistic for this season as soon as he was announced I will take top 6 with a trophy if no trophy then top 6 and win Europa League next season is par imo.

Nkunku's injury hurt us badly as you can see Pochettino changed tactics from what had been working in pre season. I still think it was a mistake to send that Brazilian lad to France he looked ready now and seemed one of the more creative players in pre season.

Rather than sign Cole Palmer who tbf to him could turn out to be a great player for us, I would have kept the other left footed lad and looked at a genuine attacking talent in their prime who could help us now not if (not when) they reach their potential.

Edited September 7, 20232 yr by LongtimerLurker

Saw a clip this afternoon. Not sure at what press conference but he was asked about Malang Sarr and he genuinely didn't know who the reporter was talking about. Asked, who? About twice and said I don't know him 🤣🤣

Saw that Sarr thing in the presser. It was a few weeks back now.

Saw this posted by ESPN

1 hour ago, Modueke said:

Saw that Sarr thing in the presser. It was a few weeks back now.

Saw this posted by ESPN

Where is our medical department ranked?

3 hours ago, Modueke said:

Saw that Sarr thing in the presser. It was a few weeks back now.

Saw this posted by ESPN

Possession, shots and touches champions, you'll never sing that!

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Where is our medical department ranked?

Edited September 8, 20232 yr by Kev56

On 07/09/2023 at 03:34, Bob stark said:

I was going write about Jackson at the end but he has been so good, I don't want to criticize him. 

Jackson imo has been a pleasant surprise. He has been better then I expected. His movement is unbelievable but his finishing will take time. Hopefully he can get better. Right now he is far from finished product. 

I think @forbzy was the one who said that we should let Lukaku fight to get into the team and I disagree because I said Lukaku didn’t need to fight, he will get into the team straight away. 

In perfect world you want an established st to start and Jackson as lw and then bring him into CF slowly. Hopefully, Jackson will continue making his run and doesn't lose confidence. 

 

Jackson may not have scored many but he has contributed well to the team so far. He is young and is going to have days like he did against Forest. But I think he is worth persisting with. Lukaku didn't seem to have any desire to stay with the club, and the owners also wanted him out. So he was never going to be an option. I think we could have benefited from another experienced striker to help Jackson though. Shame we don't have Giroud any more.

13 hours ago, forbzy said:

Jackson may not have scored many but he has contributed well to the team so far. He is young and is going to have days like he did against Forest. But I think he is worth persisting with. Lukaku didn't seem to have any desire to stay with the club, and the owners also wanted him out. So he was never going to be an option. I think we could have benefited from another experienced striker to help Jackson though. Shame we don't have Giroud any more.

Never a truer word. Freezing him out when he had so much to offer was ridiculous.

#PochOut

#VineIn