he's got huge technical and physical qualities, but no brain. no instinct for position, no instinct for self preservation, no instinct for working as a component in a team rather than as an individual who does as he pleases. that final point is why I just cannot understand why conte of all people would want him.

I think on the whole his performances in midfield were overrated, you had to laugh because at the time bashing steven gerrard for haring all over the place and launching passes in all sorts of directions whenever he got the ball was the forum hobby. yet when luiz did exactly the same thing for us in midfield he was hailed as some sort of genius. I guess it was because his mistakes had less immediate, less severe, less tangible consequences and that was the form our collective relief took. no longer was he conceding clear chances by stepping out to win 30/70 challenges in the opponents favour. now he was merely launching the ball out of reach of juan mata, or slowing a one touch move down so he could do a stepover, or vacating his position to dribble down a blind alley. occasionally he'd then belt one in from 30 yards with such incredibly pure technique. and we'd forget about all that other stuff and laugh about gerrard. until he did the same. then we'd say lampard was better. at least we were right about that one...

he is absolutely the opposite of what I would describe as a footballer. when cryuff died all those quotes from him did the rounds. my favourite is:

Quote

When you play a match, it is statistically proven that players actually have the ball 3 minutes on average … So, the most important thing is: what do you do during those 87 minutes when you do not have the ball. That is what determines wether you’re a good player or not.

david luiz is not a good footballer.

 

p.s. he does have a great amount of charisma though, and that isn't to be overlooked. just like drogba he could inspire players around him. and he took one of the greatest penalties against bayern in what was by far his final hour. to play so courageously, through an injury was amazing. but for all of the blocks, self sacrifice and courage, it wasn't a good 'technical' defensive performance from him or cahill, who was equally good. nine times out of ten we'd have lost that game- no-one will look at our defending in that match and commit it to a textbook.

Edited August 31, 20169 yr by g3.7

Does Luiz improve the first team, no way.

Does he improve the squad, yes. But is it worth paying 30m to improve the squad?

7 minutes ago, g3.7 said:

he's got huge technical and physical qualities, but no brain. no instinct for position, no instinct for self preservation, no instinct for working as a component in a team rather than as an individual who does as he pleases. that final point is why I just cannot understand why conte of all people would want him.

I think on the whole his performances in midfield were overrated, you had to laugh because at the time bashing steven gerrard for haring all over the place and launching passes in all sorts of directions whenever he got the ball was the forum hobby. yet when luiz did exactly the same thing for us in midfield he was hailed as some sort of genius. I guess it was because his mistakes had less immediate, less severe, less tangible consequences and that was the form our collective relief took. no longer was he conceding clear chances by stepping out to win 30/70 challenges in the opponents favour. now he was merely launching the ball out of reach of juan mata, or slowing a one touch move down so he could do a stepover, or vacating his position to dribble down a blind alley. occasionally he'd then belt one in from 30 yards with such incredibly pure technique. and we'd forget about all that other stuff and laugh about gerrard. until he did the same. then we'd say lampard was better. at least we were right about that one...

he is absolutely the opposite of what I would describe as a footballer. when cryuff died all those quotes from him did the rounds. my favourite is:

david luiz is not a good footballer.

 

p.s. he does have a great amount of charisma though, and that isn't to be overlooked. just like drogba he could inspire players around him. and he took one of the greatest penalties against bayern in what was by far his final hour. to play so courageously, through an injury was amazing. but for all of the blocks, self sacrifice and courage, it wasn't a good 'technical' defensive performance from him or cahill, who was equally good. nine times out of then we'd have lost that game- no-one will look at our defending in that match and commit it to a textbook.

Great post.

Just saw Gab Marcotti talking about this, basically rubbished it and put the chances of it happening at 2/10. Puts my mind at ease.

2 minutes ago, Charles Ryder said:

Just saw Gab Marcotti talking about this, basically rubbished it and put the chances of it happening at 2/10. Puts my mind at ease.

Seems it was just a rumour that Sky latched onto. They have laughed it of in France and most of the journos over here saying its not a goer.

1 hour ago, coco said:

lol

the whole idea of a nickname is to be a little bit offensive anyway isnt it ? least it was when i was at school.

Thats maybe more to do with you as a kid mate.....

31 minutes ago, g3.7 said:

he's got huge technical and physical qualities, but no brain. no instinct for position, no instinct for self preservation, no instinct for working as a component in a team rather than as an individual who does as he pleases. that final point is why I just cannot understand why conte of all people would want him.

I think on the whole his performances in midfield were overrated, you had to laugh because at the time bashing steven gerrard for haring all over the place and launching passes in all sorts of directions whenever he got the ball was the forum hobby. yet when luiz did exactly the same thing for us in midfield he was hailed as some sort of genius. I guess it was because his mistakes had less immediate, less severe, less tangible consequences and that was the form our collective relief took. no longer was he conceding clear chances by stepping out to win 30/70 challenges in the opponents favour. now he was merely launching the ball out of reach of juan mata, or slowing a one touch move down so he could do a stepover, or vacating his position to dribble down a blind alley. occasionally he'd then belt one in from 30 yards with such incredibly pure technique. and we'd forget about all that other stuff and laugh about gerrard. until he did the same. then we'd say lampard was better. at least we were right about that one...

he is absolutely the opposite of what I would describe as a footballer. when cryuff died all those quotes from him did the rounds. my favourite is:

david luiz is not a good footballer.

 

p.s. he does have a great amount of charisma though, and that isn't to be overlooked. just like drogba he could inspire players around him. and he took one of the greatest penalties against bayern in what was by far his final hour. to play so courageously, through an injury was amazing. but for all of the blocks, self sacrifice and courage, it wasn't a good 'technical' defensive performance from him or cahill, who was equally good. nine times out of ten we'd have lost that game- no-one will look at our defending in that match and commit it to a textbook.

your whole argument (and mine) can be summed up in one sentence. He is not, and never will be a centre back, ever.

Omeruo joins Alanyaspor on loan....

2 hours ago, coco said:

It's hard to think of a nickname that describes what he does without it sounding offensive.

He's, small, nippy, stubborn and he scurries around.

Terrier ?

Hamster ?

Rodent ?

Loz ?

Nothing small about me...

49 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Does Luiz improve the first team, no way.

Does he improve the squad, yes. But is it worth paying 30m to improve the squad?

Thing is people are viewing 30m as 30m, this window 30m is like 15m. The Pogba deal has completed overinflated everything, it's crazy. Would you pay 15m to improve the squad?

1 minute ago, MissouriBlue said:

Thing is people are viewing 30m as 30m, this window 30m is like 15m. The Pogba deal has completed overinflated everything, it's crazy. Would you pay 15m to improve the squad?

So you think PSG would sell Luiz for 15m after buying him for 50m?

9 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

So you think PSG would sell Luiz for 15m after buying him for 50m?

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying 30m today seems almost equivalent to 15m last season or a few seasons ago. The Pogba deal has devalued the transfer market. I mean look a couple of deals this window for example:

Benteke retaining a value of 30-32.5m. Would you not have expected for his value to go down after his Liverpool experience. I have no idea who in their right mind would think he is worth over 20m, it's a case of new tv money driving average players prices up.

Marcos Alonso, if it goes through for £25 million or so. Although that is more of a late in the window inflation the price of Alonso seems crazy high IMO. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that to me it seems you have to spend more to get the same amount of depth this window. Prices continue to go in one direction, upwards.

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 20169 yr by MissouriBlue

12 minutes ago, MissouriBlue said:

Thing is people are viewing 30m as 30m, this window 30m is like 15m. The Pogba deal has completed overinflated everything, it's crazy. Would you pay 15m to improve the squad?

It's not 15 million though lol, it's closer to £40 million......

14 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

So you think PSG would sell Luiz for 15m after buying him for 50m?

io dont think it was anywhere near £50 million in the end. i recall reading when the accounts were released it was closer to £40 million, makes buying him back for the figure quoted even stranger

7 minutes ago, MissouriBlue said:

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying 30m today seems almost equivalent to 15m last season or a few seasons ago. The Pogba deal has devalued the transfer market. I mean look a couple of deals this window for example:

Benteke retaining a value of 30-32.5m. Would you not have expected for his value to go down after his Liverpool experience. I have no idea who in their right mind would think he is worth over 20m, it's a case of new tv money driving average players prices up.

Marcos Alonso, if it goes through for £25 million or so. Although that is more of a late in the window inflation the price of Alonso seems crazy high IMO. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that to me it seems you have to spend more to get the same amount of depth this window. Prices continue to go in one direction, upwards.

 

 

 

Pogba was quoted around the same price last year.

Luiz still wouldn't be sold for anywhere near 15m so that doesn't make sense. PSG thought he was worth 50m at one point so want as much of that money back as possible.

Liverpool brought Benteke one season ago. They wanted there money back. His still young. I don't think prices have been that bad. Stones 50m but Chelsea had to pay that last year to get him.

Any deals done in the last week are always inflated as they know clubs are desperate.

Lee Clayton ?@LeeClayton_  4m4 minutes ago

BREAKING on @MailSport - David Luiz move 'edging closer' - expect it to happen today. #CFC

1 hour ago, Beerqueen said:

Would absolutely love him back - adore the guy!  My head says maybe not but my heart is saying yes, yes, yes far louder and telling my head to shut the f**k up!

This is exactly how i feel.

Sick of hearing the regurgitated paper bull that he was a midfielder. He was signed for 50M as a CB and played as a CB. 

I hear Matt Law has pretty much confirmed Luiz is coming back to Chelsea! 

Right i'm off to a meeting and when I come out, bored and dazed in two hours time, I hope to read that the Geezer is back.

I got to laugh at some people, telling everyone else to trust Conte in one breath, then dropping to the floor in the next breath with a coronary attack when they hear who Conte wants.

11 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

I hear Matt Law has pretty much confirmed Luiz is coming back to Chelsea! 

Yesterday he reported that Chelsea hadn't made a bid for Luiz

Now's saying:

And the Telegraph is now reporting that we are in fact in negotiations to re-sign him. 

Jumping on a transfer deadline day narrative to help their site generate clicks or are we actually attempting this right at the last minute? 

Either way, all eyes on Chelsea for transfer deadline day today. 

2 hours ago, g3.7 said:

he's got huge technical and physical qualities, but no brain. no instinct for position, no instinct for self preservation, no instinct for working as a component in a team rather than as an individual who does as he pleases. that final point is why I just cannot understand why conte of all people would want him.

I think on the whole his performances in midfield were overrated, you had to laugh because at the time bashing steven gerrard for haring all over the place and launching passes in all sorts of directions whenever he got the ball was the forum hobby. yet when luiz did exactly the same thing for us in midfield he was hailed as some sort of genius. I guess it was because his mistakes had less immediate, less severe, less tangible consequences and that was the form our collective relief took. no longer was he conceding clear chances by stepping out to win 30/70 challenges in the opponents favour. now he was merely launching the ball out of reach of juan mata, or slowing a one touch move down so he could do a stepover, or vacating his position to dribble down a blind alley. occasionally he'd then belt one in from 30 yards with such incredibly pure technique. and we'd forget about all that other stuff and laugh about gerrard. until he did the same. then we'd say lampard was better. at least we were right about that one...

he is absolutely the opposite of what I would describe as a footballer. when cryuff died all those quotes from him did the rounds. my favourite is:

david luiz is not a good footballer.

 

p.s. he does have a great amount of charisma though, and that isn't to be overlooked. just like drogba he could inspire players around him. and he took one of the greatest penalties against bayern in what was by far his final hour. to play so courageously, through an injury was amazing. but for all of the blocks, self sacrifice and courage, it wasn't a good 'technical' defensive performance from him or cahill, who was equally good. nine times out of ten we'd have lost that game- no-one will look at our defending in that match and commit it to a textbook.

Great post^.

Yes, he was terrific in Munich, playing with a torn hamstring and scoring a huge penalty when we desperately needed it. He scored some terrific goals and did bring a lot of excitement. I thank him for his past contributions.

However, the romance ends there for me. He is still the same defensive liability he always was and will mistakes time and time again. Several managers have tried to improve his defensive skills but to no avail. In fact, it almost seems as though he has regressed defensively since he left - he has made mistakes consistently in a poor league and also was atrocious in high profile games in the World Cup and in recent Champions League seasons. He still plays too much on emotion and hasn't developed the composure needed to play at the highest level. The Luiz experiment failed and we really don't need a maverick like him at the back. He's not the upgrade that we should be looking for at Centre-Half.

Edited August 31, 20169 yr by Celery1989

These reports are getting more and more concerning.

PSG, please do a Napoli on this. 

I see Luiz played well at the weekend. That game sums up Luiz in a nutshell. Reports I have read Luiz wouldn't be in the team once Silva and Marquinhos return. Chelsea must be mad if it's true. A couple of years ago we was laughing at PSG, if they get anything near there money back they will be having the last laugh.

I cannot believe this is happening, then again we haven't finalised anything yet.