I think he may have suffered a bit of a knock as I saw him limping around with an ice bag at the final whistle. Lets hope its not too serious.

Didn't do enough in the game and I question the wisdom in Southgate starting him. He hasn't been playing well yet gets a start.

He needs to get fit and work harder when on the pitch. I didn't watch the whole game but only saw one run across the D with a shot the goalkeeper didn't have too much trouble with. Saw a sideways pass and another gifting possession. Maybe he did more but they did take him off so he obviously didn't impress.

Needs more time. Only 19 last week. He's got the rest of the season to improve so I think he keeps his place on the bench for big games and maybe a start in the FA Cup. Too early to give up on the guy. Still has huge potential.

2 hours ago, Jangz said:

People need to calm down talent and pace doesnt disappear overnight.. the more games CHO plays the more confidence he will get in his game and achilies.. I think he will be fine.. as a 19 year old he will always have periods like this.. maybe its good for him in a way that now some expectations of him will be lowered.

No-one's saying he's done at 19... He's just looking a bit slower than he did last season, and we all know he's had an injury. Your bolded part though...

 

 

Edited November 18, 20196 yr by GhostOfDembaBa

3 minutes ago, GhostOfDembaBa said:

No-one's saying he's done at 19... He's just looking a bit slower than he did last season, and we all know he's had an injury. Your bolded part though...

 

 

to be fair to Torres it didnt disappear overnight for him either, he was gradually ruined by the FSW who kept playing him when he was only at 70-80% as he was the only proper striker he had... this and Torres wanting to please meant that he never fully recovered and by the time he came here was pretty much a busted flush. I felt he really wanted to perform for us but it just wouldnt happen. 

38 minutes ago, GhostOfDembaBa said:

No-one's saying he's done at 19... He's just looking a bit slower than he did last season, and we all know he's had an injury. Your bolded part though...

 

 

Torres problem was he relied on acceleration and athleticism which meant he was f**ked after losing both. How many goals came from him knocking it one step forward and letting his burst of pace get to the ball before the defender? His natural technique left a lot to be desired even at Liverpool.

43 minutes ago, GhostOfDembaBa said:

No-one's saying he's done at 19... He's just looking a bit slower than he did last season, and we all know he's had an injury. Your bolded part though...

 

 

People are definitely writing him off, not just this thread but on Twitter he is getting loads of stick online for that poor first half. 

When you're young and you don't play regularly, you're bound to be inconsistent. Jadon Sancho has actually been pretty poor this season in many of his games, where the manager has taken him off at halftime. Callum was outstanding against Newcastle, but poor against Ajax, and he had a bit of a crap performance last night. Nothing significantly bad though, people are just expecting too much. 

First of all, I do understand all the possible reasons for his recent poor form. His young age, coming back from a bad injury, lack of confidence as a result of that, not having the loan experience our other young players profited from, all that I can understand and I'm totally on board when it comes to being patient.

My problem with CHO has nothing to do with any of the above. It's his attitude on the pitch that I'm puzzled with. I can live with an occasional mistake, a misplaced pass or poor judgment due to lack of experience or a long layoff because of an injury. But where's the effort? Where's the hunger, the desire to prove himself on a big stage, to impress Southgate and stake his claim for the Euro squad? Am I missing something? Or is he a prime Messi who doesn't have to concern himself with the  ball recovery especially since he was the biggest culprit last night when it came to conceding possession? When his team is without the ball, he may as well take a day off. Most of the time he seems to be strolling around, like he doesn't have a care in the world.

He lost his starting spot to Pulisic and rightly so. He needs to adjust his attitude nad realize he needs to fight for the place just like everybody else and start delivering on that promise everyone keeps talking about.

To be "writing him off" would mean fans saying he's not good enough, never will be good enough, so we might as well get rid. I haven't seen anyone on here say anything like that, just as they never said it about Pulisic either!

I personally think CHO has been a bit overrated and overhyped which has led to expectations being too high and him being pushed too quickly, resulting in him being in the England team when he's clearly not ready for it or done anything to deserve it. None of that is doing him any favours at all!

He should be left to quietly get on with improving his game over the next couple of years, not this got til the end of the season nonsense.

If he's not good enough in a couple of years,  then it will be time to start saying he's not good enough for Chelsea.

 

4 minutes ago, abramovich said:

First of all, I do understand all the possible reasons for his recent poor form. His young age, coming back from a bad injury, lack of confidence as a result of that, not having the loan experience our other young players profited from, all that I can understand and I'm totally on board when it comes to being patient.

My problem with CHO has nothing to do with any of the above. It's his attitude on the pitch that I'm puzzled with. I can live with an occasional mistake, a misplaced pass or poor judgment due to lack of experience or a long layoff because of an injury. But where's the effort? Where's the hunger, the desire to prove himself on a big stage, to impress Southgate and stake his claim for the Euro squad? Am I missing something? Or is he a prime Messi who doesn't have to concern himself with the  ball recovery especially since he was the biggest culprit last night when it came to conceding possession? When his team is without the ball, he may as well take a day off. Most of the time he seems to be strolling around, like he doesn't have a care in the world.

He lost his starting spot to Pulisic and rightly so. He needs to adjust his attitude nad realize he needs to fight for the place just like everybody else and start delivering on that promise everyone keeps talking about.

How can you assume he's not bothered about any of that and is just extremely self entitled? And please don't bring up the contract situation, that's most likely his agent. 

When does he look like he's not trying? I don't understand, he's having some bad games and some good games, he was very consistent last season but he has came back from a big injury. Is he really doing less defensive work than say Raheem Sterling and every other England/Chelsea attacker? I haven't noticed these lazy performances you're talking about. Pulisic is 2 years older than him and was signed by a hefty fee, we expect Pulisic to be the better out of the two, he's still getting plenty of game time and rotation is important. 

Again I think we are jumping to conclusions far too early, a bad 45 minutes for England doesn't warrant this much pessimism towards him. Let's wait to see how he does by the end of the season, I think he'll eventually find his form this season and start being more consistent. Pulisic and Willian had their patchy starts. 

33 minutes ago, abramovich said:

First of all, I do understand all the possible reasons for his recent poor form. His young age, coming back from a bad injury, lack of confidence as a result of that, not having the loan experience our other young players profited from, all that I can understand and I'm totally on board when it comes to being patient.

My problem with CHO has nothing to do with any of the above. It's his attitude on the pitch that I'm puzzled with. I can live with an occasional mistake, a misplaced pass or poor judgment due to lack of experience or a long layoff because of an injury. But where's the effort? Where's the hunger, the desire to prove himself on a big stage, to impress Southgate and stake his claim for the Euro squad? Am I missing something? Or is he a prime Messi who doesn't have to concern himself with the  ball recovery especially since he was the biggest culprit last night when it came to conceding possession? When his team is without the ball, he may as well take a day off. Most of the time he seems to be strolling around, like he doesn't have a care in the world.

He lost his starting spot to Pulisic and rightly so. He needs to adjust his attitude nad realize he needs to fight for the place just like everybody else and start delivering on that promise everyone keeps talking about.

I think that is a little harsh, I agree he did seem a little lost yesterday out of possession and I dont think its because of a lack of hunger and desire but tactical naivety. He is someone who is incredibly young and at the same time it is clear to see his ability on the ball however due to his age you are always going to see him struggle from a tactical standpoint in terms of when to press and when to take up a position to cut off passing channels etc.

He was coming into a completely new setup with new players around him and I wouldn't be surprised if Gareth asked him not to worry too much out of possession and make sure he was available once we turned possession over, hence he seemed lethargic without the ball and it was made to appear worse considering how bad England played overall.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Torres problem was he relied on acceleration and athleticism which meant he was f**ked after losing both. How many goals came from him knocking it one step forward and letting his burst of pace get to the ball before the defender? His natural technique left a lot to be desired even at Liverpool.

To the naked eye it did look like Torres lost acceleration and pace, but remember the club gave him a rigorous medical and said all his stats, including sprints, were fine.

 

"2-2 after 70 mins here at the Etihad, city pushing for the vital winner, but Frank has other ideas, he brings on Hudson-Odi to counter Walkers deep forays into the Chelsea half. Materstroke, CHO scores the winner, Chelsea are title contenders.."

That should buy him some credits.

1 hour ago, Dixons said:

To the naked eye it did look like Torres lost acceleration and pace, but remember the club gave him a rigorous medical and said all his stats, including sprints, were fine.

I still think his pace wasn't too bad but that burst from a starting position (which was his main weapon) was gone, 

When i first noticed it was the first game the season he signed for us in January, it was against Arsenal at Anfield he came on fresh from the bench and was about 30 yards from goal 1 on 1 with Koscielny, had he got it past the Frenchman he was 1 on 1 with whoever was in goal for Arsenal that day, he did the put the ball one step ahead and run onto it move that has caused havoc in the past but instead of the usual result Koscielny kept pace pretty comfortably and dealt with the danger.

3 hours ago, Slojo said:

How can you assume he's not bothered about any of that and is just extremely self entitled? And please don't bring up the contract situation, that's most likely his agent. 

When does he look like he's not trying? I don't understand, he's having some bad games and some good games, he was very consistent last season but he has came back from a big injury. Is he really doing less defensive work than say Raheem Sterling and every other England/Chelsea attacker? I haven't noticed these lazy performances you're talking about. Pulisic is 2 years older than him and was signed by a hefty fee, we expect Pulisic to be the better out of the two, he's still getting plenty of game time and rotation is important. 

Again I think we are jumping to conclusions far too early, a bad 45 minutes for England doesn't warrant this much pessimism towards him. Let's wait to see how he does by the end of the season, I think he'll eventually find his form this season and start being more consistent. Pulisic and Willian had their patchy starts. 

It's not about his contract situation, I couldn't care less how much he makes or how serious he was about joining Bayern last season, it's all in the past now, he's our player and I want him to be at his absolute best for Chelsea.

Last night performance is not his first poor outing, he's been crap for a while now. I don't know if it's the injury or his inexperience but like I said, I'm not knocking his performance, I can tolerate his struggles given all the circumstances and willing to be patient but I'm rather baffled by his effort, or lack thereof. I'll give you an example. I don't think Mount is a better talent than CHO but he works extremely hard every second he's on the pitch, he never stops. CHO looks like he's going through motions most of the time, like he couldn't be bothered. I'm sure I'm not the only one witnessing that .

Edited November 18, 20196 yr by abramovich

I thought he had a good game against Newcastle ( imho, his best in the league so far ) and worked hard, even tracking back and winning the ball back near our  touchline, but too often he strolls around like Matt le Tissier used to do.

I too am beginning to lose the hype towards him, he has been quite poor as of late, similar to Mount but at least Mount runs and works hard.

At one point last season towards the end, he was easily our best player on the pitch and so crucial to us, now he's one of the worst compared to how the rest of the team is playing. You could even argue that Willian has been playing better than CHO

5 hours ago, GhostOfDembaBa said:

No-one's saying he's done at 19... He's just looking a bit slower than he did last season, and we all know he's had an injury. Your bolded part though...

 

 

Lol..  but signs were there for Torres before we even signed him.. he had been struggling with recurring injuries for almost 12 months.. he was pretty useless at the WC that Fabregas was starting as a striker ahead of him.. 

i think for him its about trusting his body again and then confidence will come.. Now i havent played to any great level but i always felt an injury in the back of my head for atleast a couple of months before getting back to full pace.. and these are serious serious professionals whose careers depend on this.. also its the first time in his career he has such a long layoff.. i think he needs all the support he can for now..

2 hours ago, DisposeOfDeadwood said:

I too am beginning to lose the hype towards him, he has been quite poor as of late, similar to Mount but at least Mount runs and works hard.

At one point last season towards the end, he was easily our best player on the pitch and so crucial to us, now he's one of the worst compared to how the rest of the team is playing. You could even argue that Willian has been playing better than CHO

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You must be from the new generation of fan. Doesn't bode well if that's how all the youngsters are seeing things...

Said it before, and I'll say it again... the fact that he's even on the pitch is remarkable. I never expected him back this quickly, and I'm not surprised he's not 100%.

Anything we get from him right now is gravy. Will be the spring before we can start seeing the player he was before the injury.

Similarly, I'm not expecting Loftus-Cheek to be where he was last spring either. It will be good to have him back for depth, but that's a year full recovery type of injury. 

15 hours ago, GhostOfDembaBa said:

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You must be from the new generation of fan. Doesn't bode well if that's how all the youngsters are seeing things...

What did I say that was wrong? Are you telling me that CHO has been fantastic the past few games? Im just making an observation that he has been quite poor as of late, with even Willian playing better which is in stark contrast to last season when he was easily one of the best players on the pitch when he played,

I too am beginning to lose the hype towards him, he has been quite poor as of late, similar to Mount but at least Mount runs and works hard.
At one point last season towards the end, he was easily our best player on the pitch and so crucial to us, now he's one of the worst compared to how the rest of the team is playing. You could even argue that Willian has been playing better than CHO

Willian's been one of our best players of late. If you look how well he defends his flank you'd be surprised. End product is still his problem of being an attacking player. Don't join the 'I hate Willlian - club' without examining the evidence.

CHO is still 18 or 19 now. Don’t expect him to be one of the best players in the Prem right away. He can absolutely be that.

6 minutes ago, evissy said:

Willian's been one of our best players of late. If you look how well he defends his flank you'd be surprised. End product is still his problem of being an attacking player. Don't join the 'I hate Willlian - club' without examining the evidence.

CHO is still 18 or 19 now. Don’t expect him to be one of the best players in the Prem right away. He can absolutely be that.

Yeah as of late, but lets not forget how dire he was last season and towards the end when CHO was regularly outperforming him.

If anything the post you quoted, I was in support of Willian

Yeah as of late, but lets not forget how dire he was last season and towards the end when CHO was regularly outperforming him.
If anything the post you quoted, I was in support of Willian

"You could even argue Willian has played better than him". Willian has absolutely played better than him. Why it is a surprise is beyond me...CHO is a young boy.

23 hours ago, abramovich said:

It's not about his contract situation, I couldn't care less how much he makes or how serious he was about joining Bayern last season, it's all in the past now, he's our player and I want him to be at his absolute best for Chelsea.

Last night performance is not his first poor outing, he's been crap for a while now. I don't know if it's the injury or his inexperience but like I said, I'm not knocking his performance, I can tolerate his struggles given all the circumstances and willing to be patient but I'm rather baffled by his effort, or lack thereof. I'll give you an example. I don't think Mount is a better talent than CHO but he works extremely hard every second he's on the pitch, he never stops. CHO looks like he's going through motions most of the time, like he couldn't be bothered. I'm sure I'm not the only one witnessing that .

I know it's not his first poor outing, but it's strange how people are now venting their frustration because of a poor 45 minutes in an England shirt, who cares? Mount also had a poor game just before that. 

His performances have been up and down this season, he's had some good games and some bad ones, he's also came back from a big injury. He has all the time in the world, I think we should have more patience here, if we signed him for 60 million and he was 26 years old I would understand, but that's not the case. 

10 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I know it's not his first poor outing, but it's strange how people are now venting their frustration because of a poor 45 minutes in an England shirt, who cares? Mount also had a poor game just before that. 

His performances have been up and down this season, he's had some good games and some bad ones, he's also came back from a big injury. He has all the time in the world, I think we should have more patience here, if we signed him for 60 million and he was 26 years old I would understand, but that's not the case. 

The ironic thing is when we did spend £50m on a 26 year old people were making endless streams of excuses for him for the duration of his time here.

7 minutes ago, Argo said:

The ironic thing is when we did spend £50m on a 26 year old people were making endless streams of excuses for him for the duration of his time here.

Don't take me back to those painful years, there's still a lot of revisionism with Fernando Torres. Even though I'm glad about what he did in the end, people still say he was a player who never gave up, I really question if they watched him play during his first two years here besides just the European games. 

But you're absolutely right. I don't want to set a precedent that Callum can't be criticised, but why are people laying into him now? A crap 45 minutes for England... Really?? I personally couldn't care less about who plays well or doesn't for England if I'm being honest. I'll admit it was nice to see Tammy and Mount score their goals but if I could have my way, I wish they could get two weeks off during international break instead. 

Edited November 19, 20196 yr by Slojo