4 minutes ago, B&Wlegends said:

Kane with Croatia missed 2 even bigger chances in 1 game, Suarez,Dzeko or Lewa or Higuain all miss chances at some points and in other moments score with any shot, it happens. Getting in front of a goal frequently means that the player knows how to move then there are moments in which the ball does not enter.

But all of those players are better strikers than Morata. 

10 minutes ago, B&Wlegends said:

Kane with Croatia missed 2 even bigger chances in 1 game, Suarez,Dzeko or Lewa or Higuain all miss chances at some points and in other moments score with any shot, it happens. Getting in front of a goal frequently means that the player knows how to move then there are moments in which the ball does not enter.

It does happen but it happened to Morata on an almost gamely basis.

His composure is terrible, with time to think about a shot he almost always f**ks it up.

As some previous posters have alluded to you can't teach finishing, you either have it or you don't. Morata will never be a 25 goal a season striker IMO...doesn't have the mentality for it.

He is technically very good, quick and good feet but finishing is just not good enough.

Edited July 17, 20188 yr by Chelsbear

3 minutes ago, B&Wlegends said:

Kane with Croatia missed 2 even bigger chances in 1 game, Suarez,Dzeko or Lewa or Higuain all miss chances at some points and in other moments score with any shot, it happens. Getting in front of a goal frequently means that the player knows how to move then there are moments in which the ball does not enter.

Can't think of many strikers that have missed as many chances as Morata last season or gone through as many goal droughts as him. The lad is a poor finisher. 

Morata may not be an elite striker currently but I still believe he has the tools to become a 20+ goal a season striker, If we were going after the likes of Lewandowski, mbappe or suarez I would be fairly happy with a swap but Higuain just doesnt seem like an upgrade.

1 minute ago, Imran_CFC said:

Morata may not be an elite striker currently but I still believe he has the tools to become a 20+ goal a season striker, If we were going after the likes of Lewandowski, mbappe or suarez I would be fairly happy with a swap but Higuain just doesnt seem like an upgrade.

We can't attract those level of strikers like Mbappe that's not realistic.

 

 

51 minutes ago, B&Wlegends said:

I think you can make videos of mistakes for any player including the best. Alvaro is an excellent player but he is not a central forward, you get the best out of him when given the possibility of going deep with another central forward working with him. He had a good first part of the season and a bad second, but you are too harsh with him IMO and I would give him another chance before wasting that investment (which was too high, but that is not his fault).

Harsh ?

He is entirely right footed when it comes to shooting, and i mean entirely, he tried to shoot twice all season with his left peg, scored one tap in.

So you think ok !!! he's got to have a right foot, but he's not scored one league goal at Stamford Bridge all season with his preferred right foot. i think something like 17 games.

He showed up at Stoke with the hat trick, Stoke started with one recognised defender, and soon had no recognised defenders, fill your boots Alvaro.

Sorry but 'harsh' we have not been mate.

41 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

We can't attract those level of strikers like Mbappe that's not realistic.

 

 

Which is the reason I would be happy with Morata who is Young yet to hit his prime than go with the alternatives we are being linked with.

4 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

Which is the reason I would be happy with Morata who is Young yet to hit his prime than go with the alternatives we are being linked with.

Morata hasn't got any better since he moved to Italy back to Spain and then to England.

What makes you think he is suddenly going to turn into something he has shown no signs of?

We can't afford to have a misfiring striker on the money he is on, he can't hack it so move him on if need be. I don't think Higuain is the answer as he is 30, has fitness issues and struggled in big games. However that doesn't mean morata is a better option because he clearly isn't.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Give Torres the amount of chances as Morata got in the second half of the year and he wouldn't miss as many. 

Poppy cock !!!

Morata has been bad, but Torres was worse. 

Torres scored one goal in his first half season, and followed up with 11 the next full season.

Morata scored 15 in his first full season. 

It all comes down to the offer we are going to receive(if we get any). If its close to 50mil. we should sell immediately. this is not the first time we buy expensively and fail. And I'm not talking about some mistakes - the attitude, the flops, the behavior, even the injury-prone profile, is not working in his favor. If we get chance to bring back some of these 75 mils, they  better make sure themselves, it will be accepted. Misses should be the last issue to consider yourself about Morata.

9 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Morata hasn't got any better since he moved to Italy back to Spain and then to England.

What makes you think he is suddenly going to turn into something he has shown no signs of?

We can't afford to have a misfiring striker on the money he is on, he can't hack it so move him on if need be. I don't think Higuain is the answer as he is 30, has fitness issues and struggled in big games. However that doesn't mean morata is a better option because he clearly isn't.

My only concern is getting Higuain in as a replacement for Morata, I would much rather give Morata another opportunity than have us sign Higuain. I am currently neutral about Morata I think he has promise and may turn out to be a success with us and he seems like our best option considering some of the names we have been linked to in the recent months.

I think he has shown some glimpses of promise especially in his first few months with us and I don't believe he had the game time in Spain & Italy to create a valid judgement on him, he could possibly be just a squad player all his career but considering our pull power currently with us being without Champions league football it wouldnt be the worst option to give him another opportunity.

10 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

Poppy cock !!!

Morata has been bad, but Torres was worse. 

Torres scored one goal in his first half season, and followed up with 11 the next full season.

Morata scored 15 in his first full season. 

If the only way to make Morata look decent is by comparing him to Torres then we should definitely get rid.

10 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

Poppy cock !!!

Morata has been bad, but Torres was worse. 

Torres scored one goal in his first half season, and followed up with 11 the next full season.

Morata scored 15 in his first full season. 

Look at the chances they had though. Torres was sh*t but i don't remember him missing so many big chances. Was just usually never in the right place or drifting out wide. Morata has missed probably 15 chances this season that the majority of other strikers would finish or at least get on target. 

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Look at the chances they had though. Torres was sh*t but i don't remember him missing so many big chances. Was just usually never in the right place or drifting out wide. Morata has missed probably 15 chances this season that the majority of other strikers would finish or at least get on target. 

I don't know. 

I think in time it's easy to forget just how many chances Torres actually missed. 

I agree that Morata has been absolutely awful in terms of converting chances though, no doubt about it. 

Torres didn't miss many chances because he was so scared to put himself into the position to score or miss. I remember so many games he just ran near the corner flag so he didn't have to miss those chances ( after that United game). At least Morata put himself into those scenarios to miss, and to be honest Giroud couldn't run fast enough to get on the end of those chances Morata missed. He's 25 not 35, definitely deserve another season. If Sarri could make those small changes to get the team playing football, we may just give Batshuyai games, in theory he's the best finisher in the team. In the short term, Hiaguin for Morata may work out for a season, Hiaguin will degrade further and we'd be spending 100M on a striker in 12-18 months time. Hell, we may pay that to get Morata back , could be worse.

I was really hoping my Morata jersey wouldn’t have a waste of money :( I really do hope he sticks around for one more season at least. A new coach could bring out a different side of him. 

7 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Can't think of many strikers that have missed as many chances as Morata last season or gone through as many goal droughts as him. The lad is a poor finisher. 

 

Just putting this out there ... :-)

7 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Give Torres the amount of chances as Morata got in the second half of the year and he wouldn't miss as many. Morata couldn't even hit the target most of the time when 1 v 1. As you said above, Torres didn't get many chances but f**ked up the ones he did. Morata got a hell of a lot more chances and couldn't even get his shot on goal. 

Torres wouldn't have got in the positions to miss that many.

8 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Give Torres the amount of chances as Morata got in the second half of the year and he wouldn't miss as many. Morata couldn't even hit the target most of the time when 1 v 1. As you said above, Torres didn't get many chances but f**ked up the ones he did. Morata got a hell of a lot more chances and couldn't even get his shot on goal. 

Torres didn't get many chances though like you just said. 

So why you're banking on Torres scoring more goals I have no idea. Morata has been woeful no doubt about it, I'm not going to get in the Torres comparison because it's asinine, Torres was terrible, Morata has scored over half the league goals Torres did in his full Chelsea career here so please stop with this. 

As for the Bakayoko ordeal, he has been atrocious, like I haven't seen a player as bad as he is at this club. Morata is simply not on that level as much as you want to pretend he was, a majority of the forum will disagree with you on this matter. 

18 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Torres didn't get many chances though like you just said. 

So why you're banking on Torres scoring more goals I have no idea. Morata has been woeful no doubt about it, I'm not going to get in the Torres comparison because it's asinine, Torres was terrible, Morata has scored over half the league goals Torres did in his full Chelsea career here so please stop with this. 

As for the Bakayoko ordeal, he has been atrocious, like I haven't seen a player as bad as he is at this club. Morata is simply not on that level as much as you want to pretend he was, a majority of the forum will disagree with you on this matter. 

The trouble is for a little while Torres was the best striker on the planet, absolutely lethal in front of goal, Morata has a way to go!

Paul Furlong, Robert Fleck, Cascarino, Chris Sutton, Sheva, Mutu, Kezman, Torres. It's a club of ineptitude with an ever growing membership which Morata has ceratinly earned the right to be part of.

Just a Flo, a Hasselbaink, Eidur or even a little Johnnie Spencer would do me. Tall, short, fat, thin, i don't really care,  just soemone who knows where the bl00dy bag is.

If it is an overweight Higuain who seems to be morphing into a Benitez lookalike and he doesn't move outside the 18 yard box but hits 25 goals then that'll do for me

6 hours ago, Slojo said:

Torres didn't get many chances though like you just said. 

So why you're banking on Torres scoring more goals I have no idea. Morata has been woeful no doubt about it, I'm not going to get in the Torres comparison because it's asinine, Torres was terrible, Morata has scored over half the league goals Torres did in his full Chelsea career here so please stop with this. 

As for the Bakayoko ordeal, he has been atrocious, like I haven't seen a player as bad as he is at this club. Morata is simply not on that level as much as you want to pretend he was, a majority of the forum will disagree with you on this matter. 

To be honest, I’d put Morata as equal to Bakayoko last season, performance wise. 

And yet Fernando was great in big occasions.

Winning the corner vs Bayern Munich for the equalizer, vs Barcelona in semis, scoring in 1/16,1/8, 1/4, 1/2 and the final in Europe League, game winner vs Man City in At, Arsenal away for 1-2 victory.

Don't see Morata getting to this impact. Fernando was generally bad, but he was trying hard and got his moments.

Edited July 18, 20188 yr by Giordano_Bruno

Holy sh*t the glorifying of Torres' time here is hilarious every time. The man whose 4 season league tally Morata is 9 goals away from. Who Morata has as many league goals as Torres second highest input across all competitions. That Torres.

Winner against United, Equaliser against Atletico, hasn't had the chance to play minnows in the EL.

Edited July 18, 20188 yr by Stim

If only someone bring that Torres thread back from the dead to remind everyone how poor he was, and what people though of him. His greatest achievement was winning that corner against Bayern in that final, that pretty much said it all. I always liked him because he joined the bigger club from liverpool, but for god sake he was awful for us, it's a miracle we stuck with him for that long.