I'm going to put my two pennies worth in, mainly on two points of this topic. The first one being keeping Conte is not much of a risk and the other being about Sarri and the no trophies thing.

Keeping Conte may look relatively risk free by comparison to other appointments on the face of it, but scratching the surface keeping him is probably the biggest risk we can take and all the evidence suggests it just simply isn't a risk worth taking. In Fact the arguments for keeping Conte and not appointing Sarri are alarmingly similar to the arguments that we should have kept Jose and not risked it with Conte.

How many times at Chelsea or any club has things stagnated like they have with us and it got better again? City gave Pellegrini a chance to rectify a miserable title defense and they got even worse. Milan started well under Allegri, gave him ample chance to turn things round when things went stale, but they got worse. I can't think of one example of a manager who was great at the start, but things stagnated then got better again and given the history of this situation, Conte's stubbornness with his tactics and his constant fallings out with players and board members, all the evidence points to us getting worse if we keep him, not better.

He has basically replicated Wengers spell at Arsenal in two years (and skipping the 4th place finishes), first season he revolutionised the club and changed the way English teams play and approach things (like Wenger did in his Highbury days) then this season he has got caught up and overtook, just simply didn't have another reaction up his sleeve and has been left trailing his wake but had an FA Cup to get him out of jail (just like Wenger of 2014 onwards). The reality is we will likely get worse if we keep Conte and we need to act before things seriously stagnate. I thank him for that amazing 16/17 season (it was genuinely up there with the back to back titles in terms of the sheer confidence i had in us) but the milk has gone stale.

If i saw some hope and encouragement that things would improve with Antonio in charge next season i'd be duty bound to give him a chance to turn it around, but i don't have any.

Now onto the point with Sarri, yes he is a risk but he is a calculated one. Also judging managers on previous silverware is a bit of a moot points these days considering the two most decorated managers available are Ancelotti and Wenger, one gets repeatedly fired at top clubs for the same flaws and the other well enough said.

He may have won nothing yet but he has shown he can get teams competing playing great football on a short budget. We aren't as brassic as Conte and some of his apologists try and make out but we certainly are not competing with the Manchester clubs in the market any time soon. Conte has made it abundantly clear he isn't having that, Sarri is a big believer in developing players, the same way we are trying to play down the ability of some of our players playing in a system of Sarri's, Napoli fans were laughing hysterically at the thought of Koulibaly being made into a composed ball playing CB back in 2015. Appointing ready made managers for a title or two worked for a while, but if were looking at competing in the long run, we need to get a style implemented for two key reasons.

1. The high pressing, all energy attacking style is becoming the way to go in the modern game just like the solid shape and counter was in the 00's. Despite finishing second United are looking in serious trouble and with the famous Mou third season coming up and all other top 6 having progressive managers next season, would you bet against them falling back down to 6th? or worse if he hysterically has another 15/16.

2. Our academy sides play the type of game Sarri does. At the minute the disconnection between the first team and the academy in terms of play style is alarming, someone like Sarri coming in and bridging that gap will surely help in terms of the best youngsters progressing to the first team. The Academy is the one thing we have over the clubs that are/can spend more money than us, and at some point we have to make it count.

Even if Sarri last for two years and wins nothing, there's every chance he could still be key in transitioning us into a wonderful new era and for me he is absolutely worth the gamble.

Edited May 23, 20188 yr by Argo

3 minutes ago, the special one said:

Negotiating a deal for Sarri + Jorginho hopefully. 

Marina penny pinching down to the bare bones again. I just hope we don't get burned again due to her being a dick.

7 minutes ago, Delnino said:

If Conte is off, I'd want Jardim or nobody.

Sarri has proved nothing in football, its great his teams play decent, easy on the eye football but what has he won while doing it? Its a bit like Poch at Spurs, ya, get all the plaudits you like but failure to get over the line every year is nothing to celebrate. Not for a club like Chelsea.

I like the idea of nobody, the democratic peoples republic of Chelsea... get the players to sort out who is on, rolling subs... jumpers for goalposts :) 

*love ballad to Conte* 

"Sarri seems to be the hardest worddddd..."

oh babbbyyyy 

10 minutes ago, Argo said:

He has basically replicated Wengers spell at Arsenal in two years (and skipping the 4th place finishes), first season he revolutionised the club and changed the way English teams play and approach things (like Wenger did in his Highbury days) then this season he has got caught up and overtook, just simply didn't have another reaction up his sleeve and has been left trailing his wake but had an FA Cup to get him out of jail (just like Wenger of 2014 onwards). The reality is we will likely get worse if we keep Conte and we need to act before things seriously stagnate. I thank him for that amazing 16/17 season (it was genuinely up there with the back to back titles in terms of the sheer confidence i had in us) but the milk has gone stale.

If i saw some hope and encouragement that things would improve with Antonio in charge next season i'd be duty bound to give him a chance to turn it around, but i don't have any.

 

I think that's a not really a viable comparation, too harsh to Conte IMO.

25 minutes ago, Argo said:

I'm going to put my two pennies worth in, mainly on two points of this topic. The first one being keeping Conte is not much of a risk and the other being about Sarri and the no trophies thing.

Keeping Conte may look relatively risk free by comparison to other appointments on the face of it, but scratching the surface keeping him is probably the biggest risk we can take and all the evidence suggests it just simply isn't a risk worth taking. In Fact the arguments for keeping Conte and not appointing Sarri are alarmingly similar to the arguments that we should have kept Jose and not risked it with Conte.

How many times at Chelsea or any club has things stagnated like they have with us and it got better again? City gave Pellegrini a chance to rectify a miserable title defense and they got even worse. Milan started well under Allegri, gave him ample chance to turn things round when things went stale, but they got worse. I can't think of one example of a manager who was great at the start, but things stagnated then got better again and given the history of this situation, Conte's stubbornness with his tactics and his constant fallings out with players and board members, all the evidence points to us getting worse if we keep him, not better.

He has basically replicated Wengers spell at Arsenal in two years (and skipping the 4th place finishes), first season he revolutionised the club and changed the way English teams play and approach things (like Wenger did in his Highbury days) then this season he has got caught up and overtook, just simply didn't have another reaction up his sleeve and has been left trailing his wake but had an FA Cup to get him out of jail (just like Wenger of 2014 onwards). The reality is we will likely get worse if we keep Conte and we need to act before things seriously stagnate. I thank him for that amazing 16/17 season (it was genuinely up there with the back to back titles in terms of the sheer confidence i had in us) but the milk has gone stale.

If i saw some hope and encouragement that things would improve with Antonio in charge next season i'd be duty bound to give him a chance to turn it around, but i don't have any.

Now onto the point with Sarri, yes he is a risk but he is a calculated one. Also judging managers on previous silverware is a bit of a moot points these days considering the two most decorated managers available are Ancelotti and Wenger, one gets repeatedly fired at top clubs for the same flaws and the other well enough said.

He may have won nothing yet but he has shown he can get teams competing playing great football on a short budget. We aren't as brassic as Conte and some of his apologists try and make out but we certainly are not competing with the Manchester clubs in the market any time soon. Conte has made it abundantly clear he isn't having that, Sarri is a big believer in developing players, the same way we are trying to play down the ability of some of our players playing in a system of Sarri's, Napoli fans were laughing hysterically at the thought of Koulibaly being made into a composed ball playing CB back in 2015. Appointing ready made managers for a title or two worked for a while, but if were looking at competing in the long run, we need to get a style implemented for two key reasons.

1. The high pressing, all energy attacking style is becoming the way to go in the modern game just like the solid shape and counter was in the 00's. Despite finishing second United are looking in serious trouble and with the famous Mou third season coming up and all other top 6 having progressive managers next season, would you bet against them falling back down to 6th? or worse if he hysterically has another 15/16.

2. Our academy sides play the type of game Sarri does. At the minute the disconnection between the first team and the academy in terms of play style is alarming, someone like Sarri coming in and bridging that gap will surely help in terms of the best youngsters progressing to the first team. The Academy is the one thing we have over the clubs that are/can spend more money than us, and at some point we have to make it count.

Even if Sarri last for two years and wins nothing, there's every chance he could still be key in transitioning us into a wonderful new era and for me he is absolutely worth the gamble.

Brilliant post Argo! Agree with every word.

29 minutes ago, Argo said:

I'm going to put my two pennies worth in, mainly on two points of this topic. The first one being keeping Conte is not much of a risk and the other being about Sarri and the no trophies thing.

Keeping Conte may look relatively risk free by comparison to other appointments on the face of it, but scratching the surface keeping him is probably the biggest risk we can take and all the evidence suggests it just simply isn't a risk worth taking. In Fact the arguments for keeping Conte and not appointing Sarri are alarmingly similar to the arguments that we should have kept Jose and not risked it with Conte.

How many times at Chelsea or any club has things stagnated like they have with us and it got better again? City gave Pellegrini a chance to rectify a miserable title defense and they got even worse. Milan started well under Allegri, gave him ample chance to turn things round when things went stale, but they got worse. I can't think of one example of a manager who was great at the start, but things stagnated then got better again and given the history of this situation, Conte's stubbornness with his tactics and his constant fallings out with players and board members, all the evidence points to us getting worse if we keep him, not better.

He has basically replicated Wengers spell at Arsenal in two years (and skipping the 4th place finishes), first season he revolutionised the club and changed the way English teams play and approach things (like Wenger did in his Highbury days) then this season he has got caught up and overtook, just simply didn't have another reaction up his sleeve and has been left trailing his wake but had an FA Cup to get him out of jail (just like Wenger of 2014 onwards). The reality is we will likely get worse if we keep Conte and we need to act before things seriously stagnate. I thank him for that amazing 16/17 season (it was genuinely up there with the back to back titles in terms of the sheer confidence i had in us) but the milk has gone stale.

If i saw some hope and encouragement that things would improve with Antonio in charge next season i'd be duty bound to give him a chance to turn it around, but i don't have any.

Now onto the point with Sarri, yes he is a risk but he is a calculated one. Also judging managers on previous silverware is a bit of a moot points these days considering the two most decorated managers available are Ancelotti and Wenger, one gets repeatedly fired at top clubs for the same flaws and the other well enough said.

He may have won nothing yet but he has shown he can get teams competing playing great football on a short budget. We aren't as brassic as Conte and some of his apologists try and make out but we certainly are not competing with the Manchester clubs in the market any time soon. Conte has made it abundantly clear he isn't having that, Sarri is a big believer in developing players, the same way we are trying to play down the ability of some of our players playing in a system of Sarri's, Napoli fans were laughing hysterically at the thought of Koulibaly being made into a composed ball playing CB back in 2015. Appointing ready made managers for a title or two worked for a while, but if were looking at competing in the long run, we need to get a style implemented for two key reasons.

1. The high pressing, all energy attacking style is becoming the way to go in the modern game just like the solid shape and counter was in the 00's. Despite finishing second United are looking in serious trouble and with the famous Mou third season coming up and all other top 6 having progressive managers next season, would you bet against them falling back down to 6th? or worse if he hysterically has another 15/16.

2. Our academy sides play the type of game Sarri does. At the minute the disconnection between the first team and the academy in terms of play style is alarming, someone like Sarri coming in and bridging that gap will surely help in terms of the best youngsters progressing to the first team. The Academy is the one thing we have over the clubs that are/can spend more money than us, and at some point we have to make it count.

Even if Sarri last for two years and wins nothing, there's every chance he could still be key in transitioning us into a wonderful new era and for me he is absolutely worth the gamble.

Don't think anything else needs saying on the matter. Spot on assessent. Hopefully the developments in Napoli will start the ball rolling.

 

Sarri has said goodbye to the Napoli fans on Facebook, whether now Ancelotti signs for them or not seems immaterial.

Sarri sacked.

Chelsea have a free run at him now...

Welcome Neil Warnock.

Edited May 23, 20188 yr by JMaher94

7 minutes ago, JMaher94 said:

Sarri sacked.

Chelsea have a free run at him now...

Welcome Neil Warnock.

I suspect Sarri will be a 2-3 year appointment, to guide the club in a new direction of football and build a new side, before we bring in a younger manager for a longer stint, once the groundwork has been laid.

1 minute ago, Zeta said:

I suspect Sarri will be a 2-3 year appointment, to guide the club in a new direction of football and build a new side, before we bring in a younger manager for a longer stint, once the groundwork has been laid.

It's Chelsea, i'm sure it won't be as simple as that. 

ADL is ruthless if he has sacked him, no messing around waiting for buy out clauses, just commit or leave! 

 

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/jardim-conte-next-chelsea-manager-14696716

Jardim seems pretty content where he is. So it's likely he was never a viable option.

54 minutes ago, Argo said:

How many times at Chelsea or any club has things stagnated like they have with us and it got better again? City gave Pellegrini a chance to rectify a miserable title defense and they got even worse. Milan started well under Allegri, gave him ample chance to turn things round when things went stale, but they got worse. I can't think of one example of a manager who was great at the start, but things stagnated then got better again and given the history of this situation, Conte's stubbornness with his tactics and his constant fallings out with players and board members, all the evidence points to us getting worse if we keep him, not better.

 

Ferguson.

1 hour ago, Total-Football said:

Marina penny pinching down to the bare bones again. I just hope we don't get burned again due to her being a dick.

Based on absolutely nothing, you've taken a silent couple hours to come to this conclusion and fabricated a doomsday scenario. Based on nothing.

Must say, if he has been sacked Marino Granovskaia has done well. It was reported couple days ago this was the situation and she was waiting and hoping for Sarri to get sacked. Of course we can't get too ahead of ourselves yet as Sarri could end up at another club. However, after all the rumours reporting him wanting to come to us and us wanting him, I only see one way this will be going. 

Edited May 23, 20188 yr by enigma

1 hour ago, Argo said:

He has basically replicated Wengers spell at Arsenal in two years (and skipping the 4th place finishes), first season he revolutionised the club and changed the way English teams play and approach things (like Wenger did in his Highbury days) then this season he has got caught up and overtook, just simply didn't have another reaction up his sleeve and has been left trailing his wake but had an FA Cup to get him out of jail (just like Wenger of 2014 onwards). The reality is we will likely get worse if we keep Conte and we need to act before things seriously stagnate. I thank him for that amazing 16/17 season (it was genuinely up there with the back to back titles in terms of the sheer confidence i had in us) but the milk has gone stale.

 

A great post but I struggle with this bit. Conte has to go because he's burned his bridges, with the players and the board, that much is clear. Were he to stay however, given players he wanted and allowed to sell players he didn't want, like Pep and Jose in Manchester, he'd probably win the title again, because unlike Wenger (or Jose to a lesser extent) he hasn't lost his mojo. It will never happen of course because relationships have broken down and because of the structure of our club so it's best he leaves, because, as you quite rightly say, things will inevitably only get worse.

 

3 minutes ago, enigma said:

Marino Granovskaia has done well. 

But we haven't heard anything in the 2 hours since rumours of Sarri being sacked came out

Hope Eden is ready to get his pressing stamina down. Press, Press, Press! 

I love that we have so many posters in here who not only know the detailed clauses of everyone in World football's  contracts,  but also have in-depth and comprehensive knowledge of every negotiation that takes place between clubs,  players, agents and Beelzebub at every stage, AND are quite willing to  share the knowledge gained from that incredibly privileged position with us all in here.

17 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

A great post but I struggle with this bit. Conte has to go because he's burned his bridges, with the players and the board, that much is clear. Were he to stay however, given players he wanted and allowed to sell players he didn't want, like Pep and Jose in Manchester, he'd probably win the title again, because unlike Wenger (or Jose to a lesser extent) he hasn't lost his mojo. It will never happen of course because relationships have broken down and because of the structure of our club so it's best he leaves, because, as you quite rightly say, things will inevitably only get worse.

I agree he'd hasn't lost it totally and could recover elsewhere so in that sense the comparison was harsh  (and probably not well thought out on my behalf) but i was thinking mainly of what's transpired here which one yearwas so successful and the other was fraught with problems from top to bottom. He looked like a total revelation last season (i'd go as far as saying he did next to nothing wrong) and now he's getting outsmarted by the likes of David Moyes.

Have to admit it, I like none of these options on the list. Neither of them brings a different style and philosophy on the table. I'd kill to see Chelsea playing dominant football with a lot of possession and deep press when the ball i slost and I believe that's what people like Hazard are looking for as well. The only one here attempting to do something like this is Enrique and we've been proven he pretty much sucks at it. Sarri and Simeone are not better than Conte.