Sarri is asking players to make more attacking movements. They’re not doing it. When we look good it’s when our players are making a conscious effort to make runs. That’s basics of football. If the players can’t do that then get rid of them.

I have kinda of resigned myself to the fact that another 2/3 poor results and that could be it for him. As much as I don't want it to happen, the club are impulsive and illogical with no long term plan.

They brought Sarri in knowing full well it took time, but didn't prepare for him in advance whatsoever. A couple of players isn't good enough. Even Pep wanted 10 new players if he came to Chelsea. 

If he does get the sack, there is nobody else out there who would do a better job. Not with how competitive the league is now, and especially with a growing group of aging players and players who aren't good enough. 

PSG's manager was in talks with us in the summer, but he didn't like that he may not be given time. The same for Jardim by all accounts. Only Laurent Blanc may take the job, but he doesn't feel me with enthusiasm.

If the club can't commit to a coach long term through thick and thin, and fully support him with players then nothing will ever change. It's okay to say "sack him" when things aren't going well, but every time the board are getting a free pass for dreadful business and average recruitment. We could have Campos as DOF but once again he wasn't enthused about our hierarchy. The core of the club is rotten. 

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1 hour ago, Osgood is Good said:

Sarri is being ridiculed by some of our fans and made out to be worse than AVB, Scolari, and others, however these stats highlight that in fact he is not, therefore certainly not pointless or misleading as you would perceive.

But he could still end up just as bad as Scolari and AVB, who both had decent starts too I recall. 

Hope he doesn't and I hope he proves all the doubters wrong - me included!

15 minutes ago, enigma said:

I have kinda of resigned myself to the fact that another 2/3 poor results and that could be it for him. As much as I don't want it to happen, the club are impulsive and illogical with no long term plan.

They brought Sarri in knowing full well it took time, but didn't prepare for him in advance whatsoever. A couple of players isn't good enough. Even Pep wanted 10 new players if he came to Chelsea. 

If he does get the sack, there is nobody else out there who would do a better job. Not with how competitive the league is now, and especially with a growing group of aging players and players who aren't good enough. 

PSG's manager was in talks with us in the summer, but he didn't like that he may not be given time. The same for Jardim by all accounts. Only Laurent Blanc may take the job, but he doesn't feel me with enthusiasm.

If the club can't commit to a coach long term through thick and thin, and fully support him with players then nothing will ever change. It's okay to say "sack him" when things aren't going well, but every time the board are getting a free pass for dreadful business and average recruitment. We could have Campos as DOF but once again he wasn't enthused about our hierarchy. The core of the club is rotten. 

Couldn’t agree more. I think it could be a disaster if we sacked him. What better coach would WANT the job if he were sacked?

29 minutes ago, Nibs said:

But he could still end up just as bad as Scolari and AVB, who both had decent starts too I recall. 

Hope he doesn't and I hope he proves all the doubters wrong - me included!

Sorry Nibs, AVB managed 40 games and Scolari 36 and Sarri 40, so I don't see how he can get worse when the comparison is for similar/same amounts of games

10 minutes ago, Osgood is Good said:

Sorry Nibs, AVB managed 40 games and Scolari 36 and Sarri 40, so I don't see how he can get worse when the comparison is for similar/same amounts of games

Scolari had the best team out of the bunch also, just look how well Hiddink did when he took the helm. AVB had the worst side out of the 3 of them though, I think that factors into his bad win %, but I think Sarri has the same issue, he doesn't have the right players to do what he wants. 

1 hour ago, shedpensioner said:

The win percentage is pointless unless each manager played exactly the same teams in the same order as each other.

Manager A could play all the relegation fodder in his first 10 games.

Manager B could play all the teams with Champions League aspirations.

In Sarris case his figures include the Europa fixtures & that’s the equivalent of pre-season friendlies against Dulwich Hamlet.

Is this all competitions then because we have had 3 easy runs in the cup competitions so far. 

23 minutes ago, Osgood is Good said:

Sorry Nibs, AVB managed 40 games and Scolari 36 and Sarri 40, so I don't see how he can get worse when the comparison is for similar/same amounts of games

Fair point, although they would have had tougher CL fixtures to play as opposed to the easy Europa campaign of this season.

 

4 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Fair point, although they would have had tougher CL fixtures to play as opposed to the easy Europa campaign of this season.

 

To be fair, have a look at the players both Scolari, and AVB had in their squads, and compare with the current squad. There is no comparison to the quality of 2008/2009 and 2011/2012

1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

Is this all competitions then because we have had 3 easy runs in the cup competitions so far. 

Exactly my point 

6 minutes ago, shedpensioner said:

Exactly my point 

If you wish to split hairs, check out the relevant squads, for 2008/2009 2011/2012 and the current squad, the facts remain he has a 65% win ratio whatever spin is put on it.

4 hours ago, Osgood is Good said:

After 40 games Sarri has played every team in the PL at least once including the top 5, so no it is not pointless unless it doesn't fit peoples narrative. A 65% win percentage is impressive considering he is trying to completely change a playing style. 

His win percentage in the PL though is 57%. Still OK though about the minimum we should expect from our squad. He has been helped though by the new manager bounce at the start of the season before teams figured us out. Since December his win percentage drops to 54% with his loss percentage since then being 38%. His win percentage against other top 6 sides though at present only gives him a 17% with a 50% loss that though is only taken over 6 games. Undoubtedly our cup success has aided his overall figures, 86% in the EL, 80% in the CC, 100% in the FA Cup of which only three of the games could be classed against teams of any strength, though Bournemouth might now dispute that. The interesting part though will be how we perform between now and May, only at that point can we really judge him fairly using figures. I really am not a fan of stats in football though! 

4 minutes ago, charierre said:

His win percentage in the PL though is 57%. Still OK though about the minimum we should expect from our squad. He has been helped though by the new manager bounce at the start of the season before teams figured us out. Since December his win percentage drops to 54% with his loss percentage since then being 38%. His win percentage against other top 6 sides though at present only gives him a 17% with a 50% loss that though is only taken over 6 games. Undoubtedly our cup success has aided his overall figures, 86% in the EL, 80% in the CC, 100% in the FA Cup of which only three of the games could be classed against teams of any strength, though Bournemouth might now dispute that. The interesting part though will be how we perform between now and May, only at that point can we really judge him fairly using figures. I really am not a fan of stats in football though! 

Something else to consider, Sarri has had no viable center forward for the first 6 months, unlike the last two managers who had Costa on the scene.

I don't think this is just about Sarri as many people think it is, it's about transitioning the whole club altogether for the long term. 

I don't expect Sarri to be here for very long even if he's successful or not, but the club needs to adapt to modern football, our philosophy since Roman has arrived has been very pragmatic, less attacking and slower paced. The dressing room clearly has some toxic environment where the players are too comfortable and know if they don't perform the manager who they don't like will eventually go. This needs to stop! This isn't just about Sarri, this is about the club, if Sarri can be the man to change this philosophy and get us on to the right track, it will be so much easier for attacking oriented managers to come here and be successful. 

This has to be about the long term folks, even if Sarri isn't the right man for the job, we need to head in this direction. Just look at how much success Liverpool and City are having in the league right now, even Spurs are finishing above us (yes Spurs and Liverpool have won nothing, but if we don't change up I would put money on those 3 clubs finishing above us next season again), the style that Mourinho wanted here is outdated, I don't think that style works anymore, football is much more fast-paced and less physical now. 

13 minutes ago, charierre said:

His win percentage in the PL though is 57%. Still OK though about the minimum we should expect from our squad. He has been helped though by the new manager bounce at the start of the season before teams figured us out. Since December his win percentage drops to 54% with his loss percentage since then being 38%. His win percentage against other top 6 sides though at present only gives him a 17% with a 50% loss that though is only taken over 6 games. Undoubtedly our cup success has aided his overall figures, 86% in the EL, 80% in the CC, 100% in the FA Cup of which only three of the games could be classed against teams of any strength, though Bournemouth might now dispute that. The interesting part though will be how we perform between now and May, only at that point can we really judge him fairly using figures. I really am not a fan of stats in football though! 

No I'm not a lover of stats either, they were posted in response to other posters who claim Sarri is worse than AVB, Scolari and other Chelsea managers. So whilst your stats are interesting they still do not show that Sarri is worse.

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Something else to consider, Sarri has had no viable center forward for the first 6 months, unlike the last two managers who had Costa on the scene.

Of course, there are lots of factors to be taken into account when quoting statistics.

As I quoted the other week

'Statistics are like a bikini, what they show is suggestive, what they conceal is vital.'

8 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I don't think this is just about Sarri as many people think it is, it's about transitioning the whole club altogether for the long term. 

I don't expect Sarri to be here for very long even if he's successful or not, but the club needs to adapt to modern football, our philosophy since Roman has arrived has been very pragmatic, less attacking and slower paced. The dressing room clearly has some toxic environment where the players are too comfortable and know if they don't perform the manager who they don't like will eventually go. This needs to stop! This isn't just about Sarri, this is about the club, if Sarri can be the man to change this philosophy and get us on to the right track, it will be so much easier for attacking oriented managers to come here and be successful. 

This has to be about the long term folks, even if Sarri isn't the right man for the job, we need to head in this direction. Just look at how much success Liverpool and City are having in the league right now, even Spurs are finishing above us (yes Spurs and Liverpool have won nothing, but if we don't change up I would put money on those 3 clubs finishing above us next season again), the style that Mourinho wanted here is outdated, I don't think that style works anymore, football is much more fast-paced and less physical now. 

Agree with what you are saying, and most importantly this manager merry go round has to stop, as it is hindering the chances for the youth to progress into the first team.

Kante has always been a box to box player, he's just less deep now. This obsession people have with him sitting in the middle midfield position is really grinding my gears. 

Maybe because he was rated as one of the best midfielders in the world when he played under Conte as a defensive midfielder.

Couldn’t agree more. I think it could be a disaster if we sacked him. What better coach would WANT the job if he were sacked?

Trust me, we will get someone better than Sarri. We ain't a league one team

4 hours ago, Slojo said:

I don't think this is just about Sarri as many people think it is, it's about transitioning the whole club altogether for the long term. 

I don't expect Sarri to be here for very long even if he's successful or not, but the club needs to adapt to modern football, our philosophy since Roman has arrived has been very pragmatic, less attacking and slower paced. The dressing room clearly has some toxic environment where the players are too comfortable and know if they don't perform the manager who they don't like will eventually go. This needs to stop! This isn't just about Sarri, this is about the club, if Sarri can be the man to change this philosophy and get us on to the right track, it will be so much easier for attacking oriented managers to come here and be successful. 

This has to be about the long term folks, even if Sarri isn't the right man for the job, we need to head in this direction. Just look at how much success Liverpool and City are having in the league right now, even Spurs are finishing above us (yes Spurs and Liverpool have won nothing, but if we don't change up I would put money on those 3 clubs finishing above us next season again), the style that Mourinho wanted here is outdated, I don't think that style works anymore, football is much more fast-paced and less physical now. 

I dunno. Duff, Robben, Cole under Mourinho was pretty exciting. And our 09/10 total of 103 goals has only ever been bettered by City last season. You might want to qualify that statement a bit there slojo.

5 minutes ago, just said:

I dunno. Duff, Robben, Cole under Mourinho was pretty exciting. And our 09/10 total of 103 goals has only ever been bettered by City last season. You might want to qualify that statement a bit there slojo.

The Mourinho team was pretty physical and pragmatic, okay maybe not slow paced then... When I said slow paced I was thinking about 2011-2013 Chelsea era when we barely had any fast paced players. 

Anyway regardless Sarri is a very different manager compared to Mourinho, Conte, Benitez and Di Matteo no? Out of the 5 of them he stands out the most, he doesn't come here with any accomplishments or trophies he's came here because of his style of play which the club is taking a risk with. But I'm arguing that it's the right direction either way even if the whole Sarri situation doesn't work out, aslong as we get the club and the team on the right track I think we'll be in for a better future. I don't think this manager merry go round is going to be successful anymore, not with how much we budget ourselves with FFP. 

30 minutes ago, Slojo said:

But I'm arguing that it's the right direction either way even if the whole Sarri situation doesn't work out, aslong as we get the club and the team on the right track I think we'll be in for a better future. I don't think this manager merry go round is going to be successful anymore, not with how much we budget ourselves with FFP. 

It's still a big question if the team is on the right track. Sarri might lead to a top 4 finish which would be the ideal end to this season but if it doesn't happen it would be understandable.

But that still doesn't answer the question if the club is on the right path with Sarri. He might not have what it takes to win something, maybe not in the short term and not on the long term but he is here to implement his way of playing the game either way so not trusting in him wouldn't be a logical move, he was given this chance and if the club turns the back on him it would show serious signs of a sickness at the club, borderline personality disorder levels but even so Sarri is not the right coach for the long term, he can make a new team and new leaders if he is given 2 more seasons and that's his max IMO but nobody knows what will happen next game let alone in 2 seasons...

Conte not finishing top 4 last season was not understandable, it all looked like the club did the best to sabotage itself. But he did win the league and FA cup, his merits with the club are far more impressive compared to Sarri's whole career and yet something went very wrong there, Ancelotti was also a good manager for the club but got sacked, though with far less reasonable arguments when compared to Conte, so the fact that the club might stick with Sarri suggests that the expectations would be much much lower, which is sad because before Sarri the expectations were really far too high.

A couple of Chelsea Legends POV about Sarri & the current situation at Chelsea

 

1 hour ago, robdog said:

A couple of Chelsea Legends POV about Sarri & the current situation at Chelsea

 

Balanced, down to earth.  I love them.

11 hours ago, wallosh said:

22 hours ago, RMCM said:

Kante has always been a box to box player, he's just less deep now. This obsession people have with him sitting in the middle midfield position is really grinding my gears. 

Maybe because he was rated as one of the best midfielders in the world when he played under Conte as a defensive midfielder.

What position did Matic and Drinkwater play?