44 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The fact still stands we have a budget and we aren't going to spend £100m outside of that for the sake of it. We aren't buying Mbappe, we're signing Pulisic ffs, bit of a difference. 

f**k it, Lets go chuck £400m at Neymar and another £400m at Mbappe seeing as Chelsea have no budget. Tie them down to a long term deal and bam, free money. 

But your argument is that they aren't going to bring in £800m extra combined revenue. My argument is if they would (and they wanted to come) we'd invest. 

My argument is pulisic will bring us an extra £10-20m extra revenue over the course of his contract than a German no one has heard of outside the bundesliga. That is why we are paying what we are paying. 

 

8 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The fact that you don't understand what I tried to say when I compared the two players, shows to me that you simply don't want to understand.

So you are fine with us selling Hazard for 80m but not buying Pulisic for 60m...OK

I said their mentality and skill set are nothing alike, even the circumstances with how they joined the club. Then you went off on a tangent about how everyone would want KDB back at Chelsea in a 433??? No one has disputed we should have kept him, you just completely missed the point that they aren't comparable at all.

Are you so dense you can't realise a players contract length/age has an impact on their value? Jesus. But once again, thanks for pointing out we overpaid for Pulisic. 

12 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

But your argument is that they aren't going to bring in £800m extra combined revenue. My argument is if they would (and they wanted to come) we'd invest. 

My argument is pulisic will bring us an extra £10-20m extra revenue over the course of his contract than a German no one has heard of outside the bundesliga. That is why we are paying what we are paying. 

 

Which takes me back to my original point made many pages ago that Pulisic was a commercial buy to please Yanks and bring in some extra dollar than signing him because he'll improve us. 

Literally anyone who watches football has heard of Brandt and Hazard, probably moreso than Pulisic. 

14 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Which takes me back to my original point made many pages ago that Pulisic was a commercial buy to please Yanks and bring in some extra dollar than signing him because he'll improve us. 

 Literally anyone who watches football has heard of Brandt and Hazard, probably moreso than Pulisic. 

Well then we agree. Pulisic price is tied to his commercial revenue. So its fine. 

Personally I think he could be a first team player relatively quickly. But primarily because our alternatives aren't exactly world class. 

20 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Well then we agree. Pulisic price is tied to his commercial revenue. So its fine. 

Personally I think he could be a first team player relatively quickly. But primarily because our alternatives aren't exactly world class. 

IMO we should be signing players for what they bring to the team on the pitch, not financially. 

Love to be proven wrong but don't see him being better than Willian, which would be highly disappointing. 

what's the point of debating his price tag and what he's worth, when his transfer is already done and he's a Chelsea player already

What shirt number do we think he will take?  He's been 7, 10, 11, and 17 with youth US and USMNT (I think that's all of them), and 22 for Dortmund.  None of which are available, unless Kovacic leaves, and in that case I would guess he'd take 17.  Unlikely that we would issue him 10 right off the bat, especially since CHO has been rumored to have told the club that he wants the 10 shirt.

1 minute ago, mwblue10 said:

What shirt number do we think he will take?  He's been 7, 10, 11, and 17 with youth US and USMNT (I think that's all of them), and 22 for Dortmund.  None of which are available, unless Kovacic leaves, and in that case I would guess he'd take 17.  Unlikely that we would issue him 10 right off the bat, especially since CHO has been rumored to have told the club that he wants the 10 shirt.

Probably 20 or some random number. Highly doubt it'd be something controversial.

2 minutes ago, Deino said:

Probably 20 or some random number. Highly doubt it'd be something controversial.

For sure.  One of the open shirts in the teens is probably most likely.  Looks like Reece James wore 16 in Boston, so probably 14, 15, or 19 is most likely.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I said their mentality and skill set are nothing alike, even the circumstances with how they joined the club. Then you went off on a tangent about how everyone would want KDB back at Chelsea in a 433??? No one has disputed we should have kept him, you just completely missed the point that they aren't comparable at all.

Are you so dense you can't realise a players contract length/age has an impact on their value? Jesus. But once again, thanks for pointing out we overpaid for Pulisic. 

Their mentality and skill are not that relevant in what I was talking about, you get it dummy? Point is, De Bruyne was also a young talent and nobody had the patience for him and he got sold and then showed that he actually was a world class talent, now with Pulisic coming people like you are already trashtalking him, so like I said multiple times, I'm comparing 2 young talents that want to be leaders on the pitch, that want the ball in their feet but if our own fans don't show maturity we might lose another world class player in the making, which is Pulisic.

I'm the one that brought up De Bruyne, so you can't tell me that I missed my own point, get it? Jeez...

And then again, if Pulisic is overpaid, how come you are fine with selling Hazard for only 80m but at the same time, getting Kovacic that is nothing but average, for 50m???? LOL sign off please you're not making any sense!

 

We're talking about a world class talent, but some of our own fans prefer to act like they cheer for the Spuds saying that he was only bought because he's from the US...I'm done posting here, I can already see people coming to bash him from day 1 as soon as he doesn't make 1 good pass or something.

I literally can't understand why there appears to be so much negativity towards this signing, IMO this is exactly the type of signing we should be making on a regular basis

We've signed a 20 year old who has bags of potential in an area where we need reinforcements, at 20 he will only get better. Not only that but he's good enough right now to make an impact in the first 11

I see people moaning about his goal output, which is unfair when you take into account his age, there's not many teenagers in football who are hitting 15-20 goals a season. He's also played under 4 different managers in the last few seasons who all have different tactical setups and it's also unfair to use the fact he's been dropped from the first 11, Jadon Sancho is a big talent and Reus is currently better. Pulisic wasn't willing to sign a new contract so why would Dortmund spend time nurturing him when he wasn't going to stick around? They quite rightly decided to nurture Sancho instead

Pulisic can play through the middle or on either wing, he's intelligent, hardworking, has pace, great dribbling ability and very good technical ability. He's also someone who has a mature head on his shoulders and doesn't come across of a troublemaker. He has some areas he needs to improve but so does every young player.

The stick that this kid is getting before he's even kicked a ball is ridiculous

Him, Hudson-Odoi and RLC could potentially grow into a great attacking threesome for us

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

IMO we should be signing players for what they bring to the team on the pitch, not financially. 

Love to be proven wrong but don't see him being better than Willian, which would be highly disappointing. 

But you yourself said for £30m you would be happy with the transfer. 

Well pretend he is £30m. And that other £30m is just a tax because he will be big in America. 

He's good enough to be a Chelsea signing. You just don't like the price. I don't give a sh*t about the price but can see why he is that much. 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Oscar better and more experienced than KDB?  

Mourinho played £7m Cahill ahead of big money signing Luiz and £7m Azpi over a big money signing of his choice.

As flawed as his judgement over KDB was, I can imagine price tag was his last consideration.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Love to be proven wrong but don't see him being better than Willian, which would be highly disappointing. 

If all it takes is that he turns out even marginally better than Willian, you're gonna LOVE this kid. 

13 hours ago, Gol15 said:

 

We're talking about a world class talent, but some of our own fans prefer to act like they cheer for the Spuds saying that he was only bought because he's from the US...I'm done posting here, I can already see people coming to bash him from day 1 as soon as he doesn't make 1 good pass or something.

Good stats. However no one bashed him here. If he played the full season starting with Dortmund and wasn't eclipsed by even younger player and he didn't have the 'baggage' of being the most exciting American player in history this thread would be all positive. I bet everyone wishes he is worth every penny. This is a football-forum so it would be pretty weird if we didn't discuss the player. 

This thread: "I'm right and know more than you". "No, I'm right and know more than you!" ?

16 hours ago, Gol15 said:

 

We're talking about a world class talent, but some of our own fans prefer to act like they cheer for the Spuds saying that he was only bought because he's from the US...I'm done posting here, I can already see people coming to bash him from day 1 as soon as he doesn't make 1 good pass or something.

You love using stats don't you, f**k it lets break it down. Is that first info-graphic including his USA and youth games? His stats for Dortmund are 127 games / 19 goals / 26 assists.

 

Lets look in the Bundesliga, seeing as he'll be playing for us in the league most of the time:

90 games

13 goals - every 0.14 games

15 assists - every 0.16 games

Produces similar numbers to Willian in the league:

173 games

24 goals - every 0.14 games

24 assists - every 0.14 games

 

Lets not pretend he's the next Messi or Ronaldo ffs.

 

Messi's first 4 professional season at Barca since leaving Barcelona B:

108 games

42 goals - every 0.39 games

22 assists - every 0.20 games

 

Ronaldo's first 4 seasons in the prem:

190 games

50 goals - every 0.26 games

48 assists - every 0.25 games

 

Couldn't care less what Pulisic does for the US National Team, its what he does at club level that counts.

46 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You love using stats don't you, f**k it lets break it down. Is that first info-graphic including his USA and youth games? His stats for Dortmund are 127 games / 19 goals / 26 assists.

 

Lets look in the Bundesliga, seeing as he'll be playing for us in the league most of the time:

90 games

13 goals - every 0.14 games

15 assists - every 0.16 games

Produces similar numbers to Willian in the league:

173 games

24 goals - every 0.14 games

24 assists - every 0.14 games

 

Lets not pretend he's the next Messi or Ronaldo ffs.

 

Messi's first 4 professional season at Barca since leaving Barcelona B:

108 games

42 goals - every 0.39 games

22 assists - every 0.20 games

 

Ronaldo's first 4 seasons in the prem:

190 games

50 goals - every 0.26 games

48 assists - every 0.25 games

 

Couldn't care less what Pulisic does for the US National Team, its what he does at club level that counts.

It's silly comparing Pulisic to the 2 greatest players of all time in Messi and Ronaldo. 

You said you'd rather Brandt and T Hazard, but what were their stats like up to the age of 20? Nothing of note at all. T Hazard was on loan in Belgium for a bit and his first season in the Bundesliga as a 21-22 year old he only scored 1 goal in about 30 apps. Brandts stats as a 19-20 year old were nothing to shout about either.  

If you compare Pulisic to Brandt/T Hazard up to 20 years of age there is no comparison. Pulisic's current stats compare to Willian, but you're not taking into account the fact that he's only 20 and is likely to improve over the next 2-6 years - just like T Hazard and Brandt have. We're buying someone with a lot of potential, even though £60 million is a lot of money.

 

 

1 hour ago, Old Shaggy said:

This thread: "I'm right and know more than you". "No, I'm right and know more than you!" ?

Ahhh, the off season.... Too much time to hit each other with stats nobody but the posters involved are going to study 

12 minutes ago, DannyVblue said:

It's silly comparing Pulisic to the greatest player of all time and Ronaldo (who's just about top 20 of all time). 

You said you'd rather Brandt and T Hazard, but what were their stats like up to the age of 20? Nothing of note at all. T Hazard was on loan in Belgium for a bit and his first season in the Bundesliga as a 21-22 year old he only scored 1 goal in about 30 apps. Brandts stats as a 19-20 year old were nothing to shout about either.  

If you compare Pulisic to Brandt/T Hazard up to 20 years of age there is no comparison. Pulisic's current stats compare to Willian, but you're not taking into account the fact that he's only 20 and is likely to improve over the next 2-6 years - just like T Hazard and Brandt have. We're buying someone with a lot of potential, even though £60 million is a lot of money.

 

 

Fixed it for you

Edited June 5, 20197 yr by ENygma

18 minutes ago, DannyVblue said:

It's silly comparing Pulisic to the 2 greatest players of all time in Messi and Ronaldo. 

You said you'd rather Brandt and T Hazard, but what were their stats like up to the age of 20? Nothing of note at all. T Hazard was on loan in Belgium for a bit and his first season in the Bundesliga as a 21-22 year old he only scored 1 goal in about 30 apps. Brandts stats as a 19-20 year old were nothing to shout about either.  

If you compare Pulisic to Brandt/T Hazard up to 20 years of age there is no comparison. Pulisic's current stats compare to Willian, but you're not taking into account the fact that he's only 20 and is likely to improve over the next 2-6 years - just like T Hazard and Brandt have. We're buying someone with a lot of potential, even though £60 million is a lot of money.

 

 

Gol compared them to Messi and Ronaldo, i was merely shooting down his point.

We have potential with CHO, we need an improvement now to work alongside him. Can't compete with just potential. 

8 minutes ago, ENygma said:

Fixed it for you

Messi and Ronaldo are the two greatest to have ever done it. 

I think the 60m is the crux of it. City's record signing is still 68m for KDB -- and he has a claim to be the best player in the PL with Hazard leaving and undoubtedly one of the best midfielders in the world. Real Madrid have just signed jovic for about 70m. 

Pulisic, regardless if we take into consideration his age, wouldn't start over anybody in the Liverpool/City side, and would see the bench for the Tottenham side (he might rotate with Moura, but all their other players are better/more proven), In accordance with Dortmund post the last TWO seasons have been less than stellar, in particular Dortmund's closest title challenge for a while, where he was benched by other players. 

And I think ultimately, if people see that we're willing to flock around 60m for somebody who has a few question marks about their stats (in addition to his number of contributions lately), then they would rather go for somebody who has a less controversial statistic at something like Ziyech, having a sh*t tonne of goals and assists in particular against good teams in the CL; or, Pepe, who less proven, has a sh*t tonne of goals on the right wing. 

 

This also motivates the Brandt and Hazard post - would buying two players, both of which are still not in their prime (Brandt being very young)  be an improvement to our attack than the above? Most likely. People are desperate for us to return to a consistent top end team than fluctuating with our performances and having     uncertainty around the managers future, the types of players we have signed (have we gotten anybody top end since Kanté?), so this is why they'd rather see proven quality than (supposed) potential -  unless the supposed potential is more obvious e.g. in De Ligt or Felix. I also don't think the American criticism is unwarranted -- the potential for marketing there is excellent, and our own f**king chairman has said that Pulisic is going to help with that. 

Edited June 5, 20197 yr by MANoWAR

1 minute ago, MANoWAR said:

I think the 60m is the crux of it. City's record signing is still 68m for KDB -- and he has a claim to be the best player in the PL with Hazard leaving and undoubtedly one of the best midfielders in the world. Real Madrid have just signed jovic for about 70m. 

Pulisic, regardless if we take into consideration his age, wouldn't start over anybody in the Liverpool/City side, and would see the bench for the Tottenham side (he might rotate with Moura, but all their other players are better/more proven), In accordance with Dortmund post the last TWO seasons have been less than stellar, in particular Dortmund's closest title challenge for a while, where he was benched by other players. 

And I think ultimately, if people see that we're willing to flock around 60m for somebody who has a few question marks about their stats (in addition to his number of contributions lately), then they would rather go for somebody who has a less controversial statistic at something like Ziyech, having a sh*t tonne of goals and assists in particular against good teams in the CL; or, Pepe, who less proven, has a sh*t tonne of goals on the right wing. 

This also motivates the Brandt and Hazard post - would buying two players, both of which are still not in their prime (Brandt being very young)  be an improvement to our attack than the above? Most likely. People are desperate for us to return to a consistent top end team than fluctuating with our performances and having uncertrantes around the managers future, the 

types of players we have signed (have we gotten anybody top end since Kanté?), so this is why they'd rather see proven quality than (supposed) potential -  unless the supposed potential is more obvious e.g. in De Ligt or Felix. I also don't think the American criticism is unwarranted -- the potential for marketing there is excellent, and our own f**king chairman has said that Pulisic is going to help with that. 

Summed it up better than i ever could.