56 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Here you go :

Not much of an improvement by those stats, actually suprised alonso only scored twice that year. 

Reguilon has better offensive stats than Chilwell.

You know Alonso always did well stats wise as the table shows from @big blue

I also know many think otherwise because on the eye test people just don't see it regardless if he had a good game true or not and i understand that too. 

Although i couldn't really understand why he always gets so much hate, like last season but maybe bc i missed those shocker games like the one against Man City. 

What is clear thou we need a new LB with Emerson gone however i don't think he will have it that easy to replace Alonso. 

 

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by Nevamind

21 minutes ago, Nevamind said:

You know Alonso always did well stats wise as the table shows from @big blue

I also know many think otherwise because on the eye test people just don't see it regardless if he had a good game true or not and i understand that too. 

Although i couldn't really understand why he always gets so much hate, like last season but maybe bc i missed those shocker games like the one against Man City. 

What is clear thou we need a new LB with Emerson gone however i don't think he will have it that easy to replace Alonso. 

 

Alonso has scored some big goals for us, and if he had some decent recovery pace, we wouldn't be looking be looking for a left back. 

He is a bit like Willian, opposition fans rate him higher than most Chelsea fans, and his true ability is somewhere in the middle. 

I think with the squad Lampard is building, the key attributes we need from a new left back will be pace, stamina, strength, aerial ability, and being technical enough to keep the ball and pass under pressure. 

Alonso and Emerson dont tick enough of those boxes, Chilwell ticks more, and they probably think the rest of his game such as his one vs one defending, positioning, crossing, etc, can be easily coached. 

 

My thing is if you are going to buy an English talent for big money, you need to be certain he is going to be a success.  Continental clubs think the fees been paid for English talent is ridiculous, and a large chunk of these players are overrated. If they fail (see Drinkwater) you are stuck with loaning them out till their contract finishes, or another English club takes them off your hands which rarely happens because of the fat wages that comes with the big transfer fees. With an European purchase (see Bakayoko), you will more likely than not have a few options continent ally and keep loaning them out till their contract ends or another continental club offers to buy them off you. I am pretty certain some continental team will offer to take Kepa on loan.

Not a big fan of spending big on English talents, with the influx of our young talents we are already stacked on the homegrown front. No continental teams are interested in your Chiwell/Rice because they are overvalued & overrated in comparison to continental talents. I’d rather we look outside the PL for quality. 
 

Side note: In recent times spending big on full backs has zero correlation to their quality; just ask Pep. In recent times Pereira moved to Leicester for £19m, Alphonso Davies £9m to Bayern, Robertson £8m to Liverpool, Lodi £18m to Atlético Madrid, Theo Hernandez £18m to AC Milan, Mukiele £14m to Leipzig. Most of the big money buys have been duds in comparison.

4 hours ago, SFL82 said:

Meaning she was technical director at the time and it was widely reported as a club signing not a manager driven signing. 
 

But any need to be a smart arse when we are having a friendly adult discussion? Just shows your own inadequacies mate. 

NO you are continuing the stupid tradition, of if it is a good transfer it is the managers choice, but if it is a bad transfer it is automatically labeled a "board" transfer. No one here has any idea what actually goes on behind the scenes at the club.

20 minutes ago, big blue said:

Alonso has scored some big goals for us, and if he had some decent recovery pace, we wouldn't be looking be looking for a left back. 

He is a bit like Willian, opposition fans rate him higher than most Chelsea fans, and his true ability is somewhere in the middle. 

I think with the squad Lampard is building, the key attributes we need from a new left back will be pace, stamina, strength, aerial ability, and being technical enough to keep the ball and pass under pressure. 

Alonso and Emerson dont tick enough of those boxes, Chilwell ticks more, and they probably think the rest of his game such as his one vs one defending, positioning, crossing, etc, can be easily coached. 

 

I would want some of these attributes to be among the best in the world, or atleast very good all around without having to coach anything other then formation and tactics for 65mil-80mil. I wouldn't call him a pacy left back, when he is behind Regiulon and far behind Davis. He is no Ivanovic when it comes to aerial ability or strength either. He did ok for a Leicester team for half a season, but have been below average after that. 

I would hate to see us drop Havertz, or find budget options in other positions like CB and GK, because we spent crazy money on Ben Chilwell.

 

1 hour ago, big blue said:

Alonso has scored some big goals for us, and if he had some decent recovery pace, we wouldn't be looking be looking for a left back. 

He is a bit like Willian, opposition fans rate him higher than most Chelsea fans, and his true ability is somewhere in the middle. 

I think with the squad Lampard is building, the key attributes we need from a new left back will be pace, stamina, strength, aerial ability, and being technical enough to keep the ball and pass under pressure. 

Alonso and Emerson dont tick enough of those boxes, Chilwell ticks more, and they probably think the rest of his game such as his one vs one defending, positioning, crossing, etc, can be easily coached. 

 

Reece James doesn’t seem to have improved defensive wise neither has his positioning. 

51 minutes ago, ducavis said:

My thing is if you are going to buy an English talent for big money, you need to be certain he is going to be a success.  Continental clubs think the fees been paid for English talent is ridiculous, and a large chunk of these players are overrated. If they fail (see Drinkwater) you are stuck with loaning them out till their contract finishes, or another English club takes them off your hands which rarely happens because of the fat wages that comes with the big transfer fees. With an European purchase (see Bakayoko), you will more likely than not have a few options continent ally and keep loaning them out till their contract ends or another continental club offers to buy them off you. I am pretty certain some continental team will offer to take Kepa on loan.

Not a big fan of spending big on English talents, with the influx of our young talents we are already stacked on the homegrown front. No continental teams are interested in your Chiwell/Rice because they are overvalued & overrated in comparison to continental talents. I’d rather we look outside the PL for quality. 
 

Side note: In recent times spending big on full backs has zero correlation to their quality; just ask Pep. In recent times Pereira moved to Leicester for £19m, Alphonso Davies £9m to Bayern, Robertson £8m to Liverpool, Lodi £18m to Atlético Madrid, Theo Hernandez £18m to AC Milan, Mukiele £14m to Leipzig. Most of the big money buys have been duds in comparison.

Aaron Hickey from Hearts and then develop him maybe

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by WhiteWall

39 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

NO you are continuing the stupid tradition, of if it is a good transfer it is the managers choice, but if it is a bad transfer it is automatically labeled a "board" transfer. No one here has any idea what actually goes on behind the scenes at the club.

You need a cuddle mate? Seem like an angry little guy, stop looking for arguments that aren’t there.  
 

He was signed under conte the year he left because the board weren’t backing him in his signings, he wasn’t getting anyone he wanted after wining the league and the board were making the signings, that’s why he left, did you forget that? 
 

It was the whole issue between him and the club and between not getting backing in the window and the widely reported fact that the board were making the signings not him but in between all that he signed his top target drinkwater? 
 

Anyway I’ll let you take out your sexual frustration on someone else mate I’m not here to bicker, online feuds are not my thing. 
 

To me it seems clear it was a board signing due to the above mentioned, I don’t think it was much of a speculative stab in the dark. 

43 minutes ago, comtrend said:

I would want some of these attributes to be among the best in the world, or atleast very good all around without having to coach anything other then formation and tactics for 65mil-80mil. I wouldn't call him a pacy left back, when he is behind Regiulon and far behind Davis. He is no Ivanovic when it comes to aerial ability or strength either. He did ok for a Leicester team for half a season, but have been below average after that. 

I would hate to see us drop Havertz, or find budget options in other positions like CB and GK, because we spent crazy money on Ben Chilwell.

 

so would i, but we might have enough to do all that. Who knows.

35 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Reece James doesn’t seem to have improved defensive wise neither has his positioning. 

Its his first season at this level, He has had some good defensive perfomances and some bad, i think consistency and concentration is more his downfall, but imsure that would i.prove with age. 

Anyway i was only stating where i think Lampards head is at, aurely any coach would back themselves to improve players, which is what i think lampard sees in chilwell.

We should support Lamps as best we can. Let him succeed or fail based on his merits not by being handicapped.

However this deal is tricky. Yes the foxes missed out on top 4 buy given the big money they got last summer how hard they are hit at the moment in the pocket is debatable.

Given his age and nationality Chilwell will command a large fee, however I believe if we structure it that certain conditions need to be met for parts of the fee to be paid, make 100 starts, win the league, win the CL etc plus a base fee of somewhere around 40-50mill we can make a deal that makes everyone happy.

Luke Shaw 2.0. 

20 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Aaron Hickey from Hearts and then develop him maybe

Hickey supposedly on his way to Bayern

1 hour ago, chiefBlueCFC said:

Hickey supposedly on his way to Bayern

Sounds about right. Well get him next time around for 60m

6 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Sounds about right. Well get him next time around for 60m

Is this the golden era of Scottish fullbacks? 

On 16/08/2020 at 20:28, ducavis said:

Reece James doesn’t seem to have improved defensive wise neither has his positioning. 

I see RJ as a holding midfielder...Wigan played him there at times and looked comfortable...Kante is likely to be sold soon so that slot is up for offers...Gilmour, Ampadu or James...

1 hour ago, doctorblue said:

I see RJ as a holding midfielder...Wigan played him there at times and looked comfortable...Kante is likely to be sold soon so that slot is up for offers...Gilmour, Ampadu or James...

He looked lost when he played a few games as a midfielder. He just had his first season so obviously if we want to push our youth we need to be patient, it takes some time to learn and he's isn't really one of our worst full backs, Alonso and Emerson are pretty much clueless in their positioning in defense as well so James just needs to keep working hard.

14 hours ago, SFL82 said:

Is this the golden era of Scottish fullbacks? 

No, that was when Steve Clarke existed.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

No, that was when Steve Clarke existed.

Although he put in a load of appearances for us and won some silverware we weren’t quite as good back then. 
 

Who else was there apart from him in that era? I should know I’m part Scottish. Now Scotland has some decent full back talent, 2 playing for big 6 clubs and I believe hickey will be there soon enough. 

Edited August 18, 20205 yr by SFL82

2 hours ago, SFL82 said:

Although he put in a load of appearances for us and won some silverware we weren’t quite as good back then. 
 

Who else was there apart from him in that era? I should know I’m part Scottish. Now Scotland has some decent full back talent, 2 playing for big 6 clubs and I believe hickey will be there soon enough. 

Andy Dow. Lol

New fan here...

If we struggled so much on overall defense why are we signing a left back who is offense first and not known as a defender? 

15 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Andy Dow. Lol

To be fair Andy did manage about 3 appearances a year, he would have been cracking but he had 2 left feet and was right footed 

Looks like Chilwell to Chelsea is extremely likely to happen now and hopefully the first of a couple of signings for a much needed overhaul of the defence. 

I wonder if Alonso will be content to play backup or if he'll start angling to leave because if he stays we'd at least have decent depth in the fullback positions.