The sooner we stop playing this back 3 backwater footy the better. We miss chances cause Tuchel only practices to shoot with full-backs...

Look at the goal we scored against Everton, Mount was in a mouse tight angle and he got lucky that the keeper didnt cover the near post correctly, now I don't wonder anymore why we miss so much, our chances are random at times...

On here someone suggested TT is showing himself to not be a top coach. I dont agree with that, however I think any coach we could have, TT included, are on a hiding to nothing if the board and we expected they can overhaul both Klopps Liverpool and Peps City at the same time in our current hire and fire ways.

Both those guys have had time and money to make mistakes before they assembled their teams in to the machines they are today.

Seems many don't remember they had flops signed before they got it right. Not every signing was a Becker or an Edison, before there were Kauris and Bravo, before VVD and Diaz there were Lovern and Mangala, etc etc

We don't give managers that luxury, and now those signings need to be even better to propel us to levels of City and Pool, who are both fantastic at what they do.

If Roman wants that he needs to look no further than those two coaches, the time, the money, the mistakes they made to get it right. Pick his coach and stick with him, someone he believes in and back him to the hilt. Hopefully it is TT, we will soon see how this rough patch is recieved by the board in January.

Cause the money is there. We covered Lukaku with our sales so if we really wanted to we could pay Koundes release clause, we could sign the lad from Monaco. Heck we could even plant 80mill plus CP on West hams door for Rice. We could pay and pay big to land the players TT dreams of whoever they are, we could also pay Toni want he wants if TT really wants to keep him. Will we though? Will we make a City level investment to continue the effort to catch them up? Cause that process has started but Lukaku is not enough, we need more to reach the level of City and Pool while they have the two best coaches about. Or we would need the luck of Liverpool and City losing their defenders and Salah/Mane and Silva/KdB for the whole season.

So soon we will find out if Roman believes in TT, and if he sees what we can see, that the current method can deliver cups and even a CL, but the hire and fire culture won't help us to build a side capable of overthrowing those two while Klopp and Pep are about.

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

 

Cause the money is there. We covered Lukaku with our sales so if we really wanted to we could pay Koundes release clause, we could sign the lad from Monaco. Heck we could even plant 80mill plus CP on West hams door for Rice.

 

Kounde's price just went up fam... Also please stop calling that second guy from Monaco as the lad from Monaco, brain automatically goes to an image of Bakayoke...

PS. Rice is even more expensive now due to the inflation and lack of truck drivers.

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Kounde's price just went up fam... Also please stop calling that second guy from Monaco as the lad from Monaco, brain automatically goes to an image of Bakayoke...

PS. Rice is even more expensive now due to the inflation and lack of truck drivers.

Why did Kounde sign a new deal?

Also lol

Looks like Sevillas CL exit means they would be willing to let him go for between 50mill and 60mill euros

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2021/12/18/22840992/sevilla-willing-to-negotiate-discount-with-chelsea-for-jules-kounde-report

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

On here someone suggested TT is showing himself to not be a top coach. I dont agree with that, however I think any coach we could have, TT included, are on a hiding to nothing if the board and we expected they can overhaul both Klopps Liverpool and Peps City at the same time in our current hire and fire ways.

Both those guys have had time and money to make mistakes before they assembled their teams in to the machines they are today.

Seems many don't remember they had flops signed before they got it right. Not every signing was a Becker or an Edison, before there were Kauris and Bravo, before VVD and Diaz there were Lovern and Mangala, etc etc

We don't give managers that luxury, and now those signings need to be even better to propel us to levels of City and Pool, who are both fantastic at what they do.

If Roman wants that he needs to look no further than those two coaches, the time, the money, the mistakes they made to get it right. Pick his coach and stick with him, someone he believes in and back him to the hilt. Hopefully it is TT, we will soon see how this rough patch is recieved by the board in January.

Cause the money is there. We covered Lukaku with our sales so if we really wanted to we could pay Koundes release clause, we could sign the lad from Monaco. Heck we could even plant 80mill plus CP on West hams door for Rice. We could pay and pay big to land the players TT dreams of whoever they are, we could also pay Toni want he wants if TT really wants to keep him. Will we though? Will we make a City level investment to continue the effort to catch them up? Cause that process has started but Lukaku is not enough, we need more to reach the level of City and Pool while they have the two best coaches about. Or we would need the luck of Liverpool and City losing their defenders and Salah/Mane and Silva/KdB for the whole season.

So soon we will find out if Roman believes in TT, and if he sees what we can see, that the current method can deliver cups and even a CL, but the hire and fire culture won't help us to build a side capable of overthrowing those two while Klopp and Pep are about.

We don't operate like Liverpool or City. That should be pretty obvious by now. We also won the Champions League only moments ago.

10 hours ago, axman2526 said:

On here someone suggested TT is showing himself to not be a top coach. I dont agree with that, however I think any coach we could have, TT included, are on a hiding to nothing if the board and we expected they can overhaul both Klopps Liverpool and Peps City at the same time in our current hire and fire ways.

Both those guys have had time and money to make mistakes before they assembled their teams in to the machines they are today.

Seems many don't remember they had flops signed before they got it right. Not every signing was a Becker or an Edison, before there were Kauris and Bravo, before VVD and Diaz there were Lovern and Mangala, etc etc

We don't give managers that luxury, and now those signings need to be even better to propel us to levels of City and Pool, who are both fantastic at what they do.

If Roman wants that he needs to look no further than those two coaches, the time, the money, the mistakes they made to get it right. Pick his coach and stick with him, someone he believes in and back him to the hilt. Hopefully it is TT, we will soon see how this rough patch is recieved by the board in January.

Cause the money is there. We covered Lukaku with our sales so if we really wanted to we could pay Koundes release clause, we could sign the lad from Monaco. Heck we could even plant 80mill plus CP on West hams door for Rice. We could pay and pay big to land the players TT dreams of whoever they are, we could also pay Toni want he wants if TT really wants to keep him. Will we though? Will we make a City level investment to continue the effort to catch them up? Cause that process has started but Lukaku is not enough, we need more to reach the level of City and Pool while they have the two best coaches about. Or we would need the luck of Liverpool and City losing their defenders and Salah/Mane and Silva/KdB for the whole season.

So soon we will find out if Roman believes in TT, and if he sees what we can see, that the current method can deliver cups and even a CL, but the hire and fire culture won't help us to build a side capable of overthrowing those two while Klopp and Pep are about.

Agree.

My two cents on Tuchel - he is one of Europe's finest and we are lucky to have him. The way I see it, Chelsea under Tuchel look more of a "tournament team" at the moment, although probably pundits don't look at Chelsea as one of the favourites to win the UCL as City, Liverpool, Bayern look way better now, I think we have a better chance of a UCL semi final/final than to win the PL, even if we stay within a 4-5 points margin of City and Liverpool in late March, early April.

With this Chelsea team I feel that we could go and play a dull match at Norwich at the week end and then have a great mid week UCL quarter final at the Bernabeu or Anfield.

Guardiola is a machine during league campaigns and so is Klopp. We have a team good enough to keep the pace with them, but they are relentless, they can go on a 8-10 game winning streak with ease, especially Guardiola.

Biggest advantage we have, future wise, is that we know already that Guardiola will leave City in the summer of 2023 and frankly I think Klopp will think of a new challenge, too. No matter who will City and Liverpool appoint, but the transition from Guardiola and Klopp will take some time and it gives Chelsea the chance to try to impose as the dominant force with Tuchel having been in charge for a few seasons already.

Tuchel has only lasted 2 years at his previous two jobs.

Makes you wonder how long he will stay here especially if he does not get decent players to strengthen us.

I was somewhat disappointed we did not get Kounde (assuming the media was correct that Tuchel wanted him).

I think we are in a lull and of course we will snap out of it though when is a good question.

When our squad are fit we can compete with all except when City and Liverpool are at their best.

Next season I would see Gallager and Broja coming into the squad with some of our under performers moving on which should give us more funds to spend.

For me Billy needs more loan time perhaps aspiring championship like Mount at Derby rather than relegation contenders.

 

 

 

 

 

On 17/12/2021 at 07:04, Gol15 said:

It doesn't matter who he puts to play up front, he wants the full-backs to win the game. No plan B and currently can't get the result while the opposition doesn't need more than 1-2 shots on target in order to score, sounds familiar...

You're being ridiculous, what plan B is possible when you look at the lineups and subs?

Even a 433/4231 wouldn't work because we'd still be playing with a false 9 and Saul/Barkley in midfield, 1 less CB which is probably Azpi and then Alonso gets no protection. 

Being negative I'm ok with but at least come up with a good argument. Kante is there just for intimidation tactics most likely. There is no way Kante is fit/sharp enough to slot in and play 2 games back to back. 

1 hour ago, Deino said:

You're being ridiculous, what plan B is possible when you look at the lineups and subs?

Even a 433/4231 wouldn't work because we'd still be playing with a false 9 and Saul/Barkley in midfield, 1 less CB which is probably Azpi and then Alonso gets no protection. 

Being negative I'm ok with but at least come up with a good argument. Kante is there just for intimidation tactics most likely. There is no way Kante is fit/sharp enough to slot in and play 2 games back to back. 

We should be getting the result regardless, here is just one example:

                    Mendy

James  T.Silva Christensen  Azpilicueta

           Jorginho  Chalobah

Ziyech         RLC           Mount

                 Pulisic

Subs: Barkley, Rudiger, Alonso

We would still have 80% possession against that Everton team anyway, here I didn't even use Kante as a sub.
Let's not pretend that we shouldn't be winning them in any scenario even if both lineups are weaker...

 

Feels like we're in another situation where the recruitment has been subpar all round but the manager would get the brunt of it

27 minutes ago, MANoWAR said:

Feels like we're in another situation where the recruitment has been subpar all round but the manager would get the brunt of it

How though? Up till end of Nov there was no complaints about the squad, and no talk of Tuchel overachieving with the squad. He asked for a Forward, Midfielder & a defender in the summer;  Haaland wasn’t interested, we got him Lukaku, he wanted Rice who was overpriced, Weigl who has been bang average in the Portuguese league and we loaned Saul till the end of the season. Kounde was overpriced, and it turned out to be the making of Chalobah. I have never heard him moan about the recruitment.

 

6 hours ago, MANoWAR said:

Feels like we're in another situation where the recruitment has been subpar all round but the manager would get the brunt of it

That’s the Chelsea way

I definitely think TT has made mistakes, as all managers do. And I’m concerned our forwards are still not really clicking after a year in charge. Needs to improve. That said, I think he’s clearly one of the top 5 managers in the world. There’s no one better we could realistically hope to bring in at this moment in time.

I also don’t think the club have helped him a huge amount. He clearly wanted another top defender or centre midfielder to bolster the squad in the summer - that didn’t happen. But equally nice to see us not panic buy as usual. I also think the contract situation with virtually all his main cbs is not helping. No way players go the extra mile when they are trying to stay fit ahead of January contract negotiations with Europe’s elite. Also some quite extensive injuries this season, all of which seem to come in one position and one time.

All in all I think he is doing a decent job this season, but by no means exceeding expectations! So we need to improve as we know what our board is like. We certainly shouldn’t be getting dragged back into a top 4 battle with this squad imo.

 

 

19 hours ago, MANoWAR said:

Feels like we're in another situation where the recruitment has been subpar all round but the manager would get the brunt of it

If he had a major say in Lukaku and especially Saul then he deserves his share of the flack for that and that's coming from a card carrying Tuchel fanboy.

On 18/12/2021 at 22:15, petre ispirescu said:

Biggest advantage we have, future wise, is that we know already that Guardiola will leave City in the summer of 2023 and frankly I think Klopp will think of a new challenge, too. No matter who will City and Liverpool appoint, but the transition from Guardiola and Klopp will take some time and it gives Chelsea the chance to try to impose as the dominant force with Tuchel having been in charge for a few seasons already.

Klopp's contract ends at the end of the 2023/24 season.

Apparently he stated he won't be renewing his contract again and will want a break from football.

Wrong thread

Edited December 19, 20214 yr by charierre

23 hours ago, Gol15 said:

We should be getting the result regardless, here is just one example:

                    Mendy

James  T.Silva Christensen  Azpilicueta

           Jorginho  Chalobah

Ziyech         RLC           Mount

                 Pulisic

Subs: Barkley, Rudiger, Alonso

We would still have 80% possession against that Everton team anyway, here I didn't even use Kante as a sub.
Let's not pretend that we shouldn't be winning them in any scenario even if both lineups are weaker...

 

I applaud the effort but from today's showing, Trevoh in midfield doesn't work and the Ziyech, Mount, Pulisic combo doesn't work. Azpi at LWB is more defensive so he won't bomb forward as much and James is declining in form. 

Thanks for at least trying

4 minutes ago, Deino said:

I applaud the effort but from today's showing, Trevoh in midfield doesn't work and the Ziyech, Mount, Pulisic combo doesn't work. Azpi at LWB is more defensive so he won't bomb forward as much and James is declining in form. 

Thanks for at least trying

They are still playing in a 3-4-2-1, not in a 4-2-3-1 like I put up so... Try it first then dismiss it.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

They are still playing in a 3-4-2-1, not in a 4-2-3-1 like I put up so... Try it first then dismiss it.

At this point, sure, I'd like to see that. After today the league title is not ours to win 

TT has been exemplary since he came, lost the FA Cup Final but remarkably won the CL. Season starts great win the Supercup and flying start in the prem, but in the last month when things have turned for the worst, key players out and now omicron leading up to todays nil nil. It’s quite apparent that he may be a world class coach with an in form fully fit squad but with what we witnessed the last week he’s no better than all the cup winning managers who had a slump the following season and got sh*tcanned by RA. There appears to be no plan B just repeating the same tactics that now plainly don’t work ?

Carlo - wins the double sacked next season

RDM - wins a cup double incl CL sacked the next season

Mour2 - wins the title sacked the next season 

AC - wins the title, next season wins FAC sacked the next season 

MS - wins EL, jumped before he was pushed !?

TT - wins the CL………………….

 

The wheels are slowly falling of the TT bandwagon, Arsenal whom we schooled on match day 2 are now 4th and 6 points behind. Cant see the Covid issue going away Villa away in prem next more dropped points ? 

We need stability to build a team that can dominate and challenge every season in the near and mid term future. We can't keep hiring and firing coaches that need to adapt to the players there were brought in for another coach team. It makes no sense. I was for keeping Sarri, was for keeping Lampard, and am for keeping Tuchel for as long as we can. This period is proving tough but we are down to the bare bones and players are knackered, but Tuchel is a top coach and I think that he is doing well given the circumstances.

Arsenal now as close to us as we are to Manchester City.

2 wins in our last 7 games in all competitions.

15 points from a possible 24 in our last 8 league matches.

Not looking good is it?

24 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Arsenal now as close to us as we are to Manchester City.

2 wins in our last 7 games in all competitions.

15 points from a possible 24 in our last 8 league matches.

Not looking good is it?

One could twist and turn this every which way though.

Three points behind Liverpool in second place with a game v them at Stamford Bridge and it all sounds much better again.

With regards to it not looking good I can agree with that. But that's down to our horrific luck with Covid and injuries. Had Liverpool & City been as punished as we have been in this regard I would bet a lot of money we'd be ahead of both of them still.

If they suspend the season and we get a chance to get everyone healthy and rested I think we can finish second. City are too good over a season but one quick glance at our squads and thats already obvious.

 

 

Edited December 19, 20214 yr by Sindre

There is a lot of context to the current slump. I refuse to blame TT however, I do think he needs to show his famous flexibility at some point. I think we need to sign Kounde in January and try a back 4, at this point what else do we have to lose?

I think the squad is missing 3 key players a world class cb that can play in a 4. A world class dm and an elite goal scorer who could in theory play alongside Lukaku and our other forwards but is lethal to the level of say a Salah or Hazard.