1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Really depends on whether the new owners are playing the long game. Suggestions are that they are patient, but we will see how genuine they are if the poor form continues. They have invested a lot on the club, so hard to imagine they will be satisfied for long if we are not competing for the top trophies.

But lets say they do lose patience and show Potter the door. Then what? Another new manager who will want their own players etc. and probably won't want half the players we have signed. 

1 win in 7, with city double header up next. 

1 win in 9 would see most managers under extreme pressure. 

I thought the idea of this new transfer committee, and recruitment team, was so we signed players for a club philosophy, and we appoint managers that fit into that philosophy too. 

There are just positives to cling to. 1 decent win vs an injury ravaged Milan team. 

We will see how the bridge atmosphere is if results and performances dont picked up dramatically in the next 6 weeks. 

9 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

The bell is beginning to toll for Potter I think. 

As others have said, it's not as much the results as the lack of any transformation in the way we play. We literally are still playing Tuchelball six months after he was sacked.

I don't even think it's Tuchelball at this point. At least back then we dominated possession. 

5 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Is what Potter did at Brighton anything spectacular? Was it any better than what Alan Pardew did at Newcastle 12 years ago? Or Allerdyce with West Ham? Or Mark Hughes with Fulham? Or Tony Pulis with Stoke? You could probably make a case with Eddie Howe also. I don't know whats so special about Potter. Lampard at the time was understandable given the circumstance we were in which forced us to utilise our Youth System. 

It's just very strange how we've gambled so much on an extremely average manager who's done nothing in the game but perform reasonably well with a midtable team. Which has been done by many managers previously as mentioned, even British ones. 

Think the media hyped him out to be way better than he actually is, and Boehly fell for it.

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

I don't even think it's Tuchelball at this point. At least back then we dominated possession. 

We'd always have a lot of shots per game as well, the only time we've had 10+ shots in game recently was the game against Bournemouth.

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

And yet the same captain is still appointed and the manager hasn't demanded a midfield to be the absolute top priority. 

I thought the biggest reason for Tuchel's firing was the lack of communication. 

Todd is running around buying Nkunku and Santos for future plans instead of addressing the current midfield problem. 

Putting 2+2 together, I'd say Potter seems to be okay with the midfield

Uhhh doesn’t Potter want Enzo now? He’s 

 

 

Against a side 18th in the league. Disgraceful. 

Nail on the head, Enzo is not solving any of this, it’s all on Potter.

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Enzo and Santos are coming. But the question remains, is Potter a good manager?

Yes we win a match when James is playing, that's not due to Potter's tactics now is it? Ranieri had the fight in him when we started spending and it wasn't enough but what about Potter I mean what's the point of being a manager if you're automatically going to surrender any notion of fighting for points in away matches?

 

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

 

 

Against a side 18th in the league. Disgraceful. 

Cringe. 

I consider myself just a football fan who supports Chelsea and watch to be entertained. I like to see grit determination, skill and all the other components that make up a good football match. Winning is important but I can take a defeat ok as long as we have give our all and show some direction.

Atm we look clueless, no heart and the manager has no balls to change it up a bit and at least get a bit of a reaction. I can’t see a plan of what he’s trying to achieve or what style he wants. 
I think he should be given a bit of time, at least two windows but I think it’s time to show that he at least can motivate. 
I know injuries have caused problems but two players on current form should not be near starting and that Sterling and Koulibaly. TT signings so can’t be blamed on Potter but FFS don’t start them and maybe give some of out young starlets some decent minutes. 5 mins at the end of a struggled match does nothing for any young player.

5 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Nail on the head, Enzo is not solving any of this, it’s all on Potter.

Cut the drama and sign Enzo. We play much better with James and Enzo is at that level sometimes it's that simple even if the manager is average.

45 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I still think we made a huge mistake sacking Tuchel. Imo he was the answer to catching up to City and Liverpool when they were dominating… Now we have Potter who hasn’t f*cking achieved anything, only pretty football which Arsenal did for so many years and they’ve won f*ck all. What have we become?

Utterly idiotic. Even for Tuchel’s greatest detractors (which I’m not) it’s unjustifiable. And this has been my main concern ever since. How can you trust people capable of such a bad decision to be running the club? Who tf are these guys anyway? Bunch of chancers who got lucky in the last boom - an environment that rewarded stupidity?

56 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

This is just not true, I had plenty of patience for Tuchel. 9th spot in the league was seen as unacceptable when Lampard was here. If Tuchel had us sitting 9th, everybody would be saying he is massively underachieving with this squad, so why does Potter get away with it?

I'm tired of this narrative going around that we shouldn't be competing with the top 6 (or 4 of the top 6 at least) Why is it now "magically have us competing after the turmoil" when at the start of the season, everybody was saying 4th place was the bare minimum? So it's the bare minimum for Tuchel, but for Potter, the turmoil is too much and we should expect mid table? I am still yet to hear a good reason why standards are being lowered for Potter. He has us playing as bad, if not worse, than Solskjaer's United.

If we had James and Kante we'd be competing for top 4. 

We don't. We've signed no one that has improved our side since Silva. 

Who's fault is that? It's not Potter's. 

I think if Tuchel was still our manager, you'd probably get a lot of those people who said top 4 minimum, still backing him. Because the fact is our signings have turned out to be sh*t and James and Kante have been injured.

New information changes things. 

Did the media and pundits massively overate Potter or is he actually an elite manager? Apparently all the top clubs looked at him so we weren’t the only ones. I’m not seeing much to suggest that he’s elite.
 

That comment from a podcast from an ex player that he’s spoken to am member of Chelsea first team who has said that Potter is a massive step down from Tuchel. 

If we sack him like so many on here are suggesting then where do we go from here? The only viable candidate I can think of is Pochettino and I honestly don’t think he would get us playing much better between now and the end of the season. 

The new owners have come in with a vision for the future, and Potter is a big part of that, as well as all of the changes that have been made behind the scenes. It’s clear to me that Potter was hired with a long term project in mind. 

We have had a few good performances under Potter, and a few awful performances. For me there’s enough there that I am willing to give him the time to try and build something. I think we have to be realistic and accept that we are going through a major transition, and that will likely mean a few years of missing out on the top 4 whilst we rebuild. I’ve said it so many times but Pep and Klopp were not overnight successes at their clubs, and their boards continued to chuck money at players until they got it right. And even Arsenal now are showing that a long term plan can pay off. If we sack Potter after less than 6 months in charge then all that talk of building for the future, is lip service. 

For the record I wanted Tuchel to stay and wanted him to be the man to lead us through this transition period, but the more I think about it the more I don’t think he is the right man for that kind of job. My only issue here is the owners should have acted sooner in the summer rather than spending a load of money on Tuchel’s targets, only to sack him a week after the transfer window closed. 

The poor performances now aren’t acceptable, but I think Potter deserves at least his one or two own windows and pre seasons before we start talking about him being sacked. 

I think the days of us hiring and firing and having instant success are over. All of the other top sides have developed and stuck to a plan over a number of seasons, and are much stronger for it. We will never bridge that gap to the top teams if we continue to change managers at the first sign of trouble. 
 

 

 

The holes in midfield in defensive transition is a valid point though. 

3 minutes ago, goose said:

I think he should be given a bit of time, at least two windows but I think it’s time to show that he at least can motivate.

I agree with you in part @goose but giving him 2 windows is a lot of time if there isn't any wins and complete lack of goals. We can't slip right down that table waiting to see if he'll come good with more time. The signings so far are not exactly brilliant or changed anything.

The side needs a manager who has experience with a winning mentality. Even Rafa had that and remember the roasting he got. That game today would've been won with a better manager as it was a vital game than would see us gaining in the table. A decent manager comes away with 3 points. You know someone like Jose wouldn't have had it any other way.

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

If we had James and Kante we'd be competing for top 4. 

We don't. We've signed no one that has improved our side since Silva. 

Who's fault is that? It's not Potter's. 

I think if Tuchel was still our manager, you'd probably get a lot of those people who said top 4 minimum, still backing him. Because the fact is our signings have turned out to be sh*t and James and Kante have been injured.

New information changes things. 

Neither James or Kante played much last season and we got top 4 comfortably, along with 2 Cup Finals.

9 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

If we sack him like so many on here are suggesting then where do we go from here? The only viable candidate I can think of is Pochettino and I honestly don’t think he would get us playing much better between now and the end of the season. 

The new owners have come in with a vision for the future, and Potter is a big part of that, as well as all of the changes that have been made behind the scenes. It’s clear to me that Potter was hired with a long term project in mind. 

We have had a few good performances under Potter, and a few awful performances. For me there’s enough there that I am willing to give him the time to try and build something. I think we have to be realistic and accept that we are going through a major transition, and that will likely mean a few years of missing out on the top 4 whilst we rebuild. I’ve said it so many times but Pep and Klopp were not overnight successes at their clubs, and their boards continued to chuck money at players until they got it right. And even Arsenal now are showing that a long term plan can pay off. If we sack Potter after less than 6 months in charge then all that talk of building for the future, is lip service. 

For the record I wanted Tuchel to stay and wanted him to be the man to lead us through this transition period, but the more I think about it the more I don’t think he is the right man for that kind of job. My only issue here is the owners should have acted sooner in the summer rather than spending a load of money on Tuchel’s targets, only to sack him a week after the transfer window closed. 

The poor performances now aren’t acceptable, but I think Potter deserves at least his one or two own windows and pre seasons before we start talking about him being sacked. 

I think the days of us hiring and firing and having instant success are over. All of the other top sides have developed and stuck to a plan over a number of seasons, and are much stronger for it. We will never bridge that gap to the top teams if we continue to change managers at the first sign of trouble. 
 

 

 

Are you really comparing Potter to Klopp & Pep 😳

37 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Is what Potter did at Brighton anything spectacular? Was it any better than what Alan Pardew did at Newcastle 12 years ago? Or Allerdyce with West Ham? Or Mark Hughes with Fulham? Or Tony Pulis with Stoke? You could probably make a case with Eddie Howe also. I don't know whats so special about Potter. Lampard at the time was understandable given the circumstance we were in which forced us to utilise our Youth System. 

It's just very strange how we've gambled so much on an extremely average manager who's done nothing in the game but perform reasonably well with a midtable team. Which has been done by many managers previously as mentioned, even British ones. 

I've got my doubts about Potter but trying to play down what he did at Brighton is an embarrassing rewriting of history, I'm sorry but it is.

I'm willing to give him until the end of the season provided we never fall out of the top 10. Personally I just don't think he's good enough for a club of this level at this point in his career. From everything we've seen and know about elite football, appointments like this very rarely work out. 

The identity of the club is already changing for the worse under Mr Potter. He's a nice man and I wish him all the luck in the world, but he's out of his depth and deep down I suspect he may know it. Let's see how he does after he gets some signings.

If Potter fails its on Boehly, Potter can blame himself from walking away from the great work he was building at Brighton. Boehly can blame himself for inheriting a top 4 club and turning them into a mid table team.

Now the question is if you give a coach a 5 year deal with high wages, which ofc makes it harder to fire him. Do you insert a clause in the contract that stipulates you only carry on paying him after his dismissal until he finds a new job. That would be smart business, something other owners have done. If this is the case then Boehly has at least given himself the wiggle room to accept he may have made a mistake. 

Otherwise this was a stupid deal, Boehly will have gambled £60m on a unknown entity with no way of protecting himself were this appointment deemed to be a failure. It will be interesting to see if results and performances continue in a similar way if Boehly sticks or twists. I personally can't see Potter lasting until 2024 at this rate.

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Neither James or Kante played much last season and we got top 4 comfortably, along with 2 Cup Finals.

Some will say it's more competitive this season as an excuse, but even if it is, there is no reason why we shouldn't be competing alongside them. Yes, we have injuries, and they are major ones too, that doesn't mean we should be finishing mid table or worse though. I accept that those kind of injuries would seriously damage our top 4 hopes, but what we are seeing now isn't just not being able to keep up with the top 4. Those injuries shouldn't mean struggling against Forest, or like we did in the 2nd half against Bournemouth. It shouldn't mean we can't create a single chance and not control possession. It shouldn't mean our players look unfit and tired after playing 45 minutes of football. These problems aren't because of injuries to Chilwell, James and Kante.

3 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

Are you really comparing Potter to Klopp & Pep 😳

Not in terms of previous skill and achievements obviously they both come with a lot of pedigree, but the point still stands they both still needed way more time than most  are willing to give Potter to get their team playing, despite being “elite” level coaches. It’s a hypothetical but if Klopp or Pep had the first full season here that they had at Liverpool and City (8th and 4th) then our fans and owner at the time would’ve deemed that not good enough and sacked them before letting them build something. 

A closer comparison in terms of skill would probably be Potter and Arteta. Arsenal’s patience seems to be paying off with him as they’re 7pts clear and playing the best football they have for a long time. 
 

The wider point is how can we allow any manager to build something if we want to continue chopping and changing as soon as things stop going our way? 
 

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Where was that patience for Tuchel? We were above Liverpool when he was sacked, now they've overtaken us.

People can speculate all they want, but the only patience that means anything is from the owners. That being said I don't remember a ton of people on here calling for Tuchel to be sacked earlier in the season. There were definitely plenty who were unimpressed with our football at the time, but I think most thought he would get more time. Liverpool were only below us at the time due to their terrible start to the season. United too. Both have improved since. Our form has been pretty consistently midtable for the whole season.