1 minute ago, abister1 said:

I'm more ashamed for people that support this manager in the nme of continuity, stability, or whatever the f**k virtue they want to signal. 

There is a difference between giving a manager that can do the job a chance than giving one who can't a chance. 

At the end of day, I follow and watch Chelsea because it gives me joy and if it doesn't anymore then that's just a case of my football team not giving me joy. 

Where a man spends billions and decides to throw it all away because of a stupid pride steeped decision, I guess he can because its his money. 

But again shame on all you supporting this nonsense in the name of whatever the f**k you call it.

There's a more justifiable case for giving any of the other managers we've had more time than there is for Potter

Whether he calls the ref out or not doesn't really matter, tactically we're still awful under him. 

 

If Dortmund are in decent form they'll rip us to pieces 

This really could have been perfect. Imagine Tuchel with this squad, we’d be unstoppable!

Boehly made a huge mistake sacking Tuchel

I'm becoming a broken record, but I'll say it yet again.

I'm fine with giving a manager time, but it has to be the right person. I would not have been fine with giving Scolari or Grant 5 years. Nor would I be fine with hiring David Moyes or Nathan Jones and giving them 5 years, because none of them are good enough.

Continuity for continuity's sake is pointless, if the person in charge doesn't know what they are doing.

6 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

Did he?

Or were we just playing well because of the individual quality of Enzo and Felix in particular

Playing well for 20 minutes isn't an achievement, we have 2 (3 you count Mudryk) £100m top young talents I'd expect Bright moments and flair at a minimum but I don't see how Potter is getting the best of them or even what his system is.

Just looks like a couple of high quality players playing against one of the worst teams in the league but getting no instructiono or tactical help from their manager.

I get your point but it also opens the other side of the argument that individual poor performances from certain players are what is causing our poor form. The point being, if we are going to attribute good performances to individual talent versus the manager then the same can be said about poor performances. 

The hard truth is if Potter was here earlier we would be relegation fodder 

8 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I get your point but it also opens the other side of the argument that individual poor performances from certain players are what is causing our poor form. The point being, if we are going to attribute good performances to individual talent versus the manager then the same can be said about poor performances. 

I don't think that washes though as we don't have too many poor players despite having a lot of poor performances.

A managers job isn't to win games, score goals or keep clean sheets they're all consequences of what his real job is and that is to bring out the best possible performances from the talent at his disposal the idea being if he does that then positive results will follow.

Pretty much every game we go into we go in with a more talented squad and better individuals than our opponents but is there a single player in the squad that's playing at a higher level under Potter than they were previously or any sense we've outwitted our opponents tactically?

As much as people criticise certain players our squad is much better than 2 wins in 13 PL games Potter isn't getting the best out of it.

David Moyes 2.0 said it before as a joke but it’s turning out that way.

He's not good enough. His tactics are killing us in every game. How do you bring a player like Mudryk in, a player who has an incredibly direct style of football, and expect him to adapt to this slow, safe and turgid style of football? Our game is so slow with this tight death of football 5 yard passing that goes absolutely nowhere. It's sh*t, we barely create any good chances and it always leaves us vulnerable. There is nothing exciting about our football. Could you imagine a player like Mudryk in Liverpool's system? or Felix? or many of our players? Klopp would be in dream land. 

We need a more direct coach and even if you like Potter as a coach, he will never be that. He will keep us a mid table team because his style of football doesn't allow his teams to be anything more than that. 

Almost every game he has coached so far he has had us looking worse after half time. His subs are almost always terrible, even Benitez made better subs than this. He brings Chilwell on today and immediately takes Mudryk off, how does that work? Chilwell and Mudryk seem like they are made to play together, but Potter can't see it. It's a good thing Kepa has grown some confidence, because if we had the Kepa we were seeing under Lampard, then Potter would be losing every single game. Every team tests our keeper more than we test theirs. 

Just now, El regreso said:

David Moyes 2.0 said it before as a joke but it’s turning out that way.

Massively disrespectful to Moyes.

Potter has never been in Moyes class, he's more Roy Hodgson at Liverpool 2.0

36 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

 

Very unlikely that he'll blame the refs. He is a grown man and takes responsibility himself. Only losers blame the refs for the shortcomings of themselves and their teams.

I don't think Potter should be sacked but we're probably at the point where there ought to be a tabloid scandal about Boehly's 'secret' dinner with whoever is the 2023 equivalent of Sven Göran-Eriksson.

Edited February 11, 20233 yr by PloKoon13

Brings Chilwell on take mudryk off. What in gods name is that. Poor mudryk had to play in front of that hairy feck then gets hauled off 

omg 

I didn't get to see the game but this is just the same old story. Ive consistently backed Potter but my patience is wearing thin, with the players we have there is zero reason for the football being sh*t, let alone not winning against a toss West Ham team. He needs to quickly improve things because this is absolutely not good enough.

21 minutes ago, Zeta said:

I'm becoming a broken record, but I'll say it yet again.

I'm fine with giving a manager time, but it has to be the right person. I would not have been fine with giving Scolari or Grant 5 years. Nor would I be fine with hiring David Moyes or Nathan Jones and giving them 5 years, because none of them are good enough.

Continuity for continuity's sake is pointless, if the person in charge doesn't know what they are doing.

I think saying he doesn't know what he's doing is a bit simplistic. I never champion for sacking a manager early nor do I have any issue with waiting for him to get his ideas across. But deary me we are going to have the weakest mentality going if we stick it out. I've never seen us needing 3 points, being flat in the last 30 minutes, and seeing the manager passive and clapping on the side. Real Madrid would kill us in the CL on mentality alone. 

What are we ever going to win with this guy in charge ? 

I'm ruling out the low hanging fruit of domestic cups on account of Potter never having beaten any PL side in either domestic cup competition before ... 

A Fair Play Award perhaps ?

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

What are we ever going to win with this guy in charge ? 

I'm ruling out the low hanging fruit of domestic cups on account of Potter never having beaten any PL side in either domestic cup competition before ... 

A Fair Play Award perhaps ?

How much clapping do we need to do for that?

I'm keen either way. 

5 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

What are we ever going to win with this guy in charge ? 

I'm ruling out the low hanging fruit of domestic cups on account of Potter never having beaten any PL side in either domestic cup competition before ... 

A Fair Play Award perhaps ?

A game a month if we're lucky.

Not looking forward to us going on one of Potters regular 3 month winless runs but I suppose the bright side is Potters teams win so rarely you're already a third of the way through it before it starts disappointing you.

Edited February 11, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

44 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

 

Very unlikely that he'll blame the refs. He is a grown man and takes responsibility himself. Only losers blame the refs for the shortcomings of themselves and their teams.

Ferguson, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Tuchel, Conte, Wenger, Klopp, Guardiola..........they have all called out the refs for bad mistakes, Ferguson did it every time his team didn't win and he's the most successful manager this League has ever seen. 

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Ferguson, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Tuchel, Conte, Wenger, Klopp, Guardiola..........they have all called out the refs for bad mistakes, Ferguson did it every time his team didn't win and he's the most successful manager this League has ever seen. 

Ferguson understood that creating a siege mentality and protecting/praising his players at the right moments always yield trust and faith. 

Potter clearly doesn't understand this or believe in his players

39 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

This really could have been perfect. Imagine Tuchel with this squad, we’d be unstoppable!

Boehly made a huge mistake sacking Tuchel

Problem is, do we even recruit as well as we did in January under Tuchel?

As great a coach as he is, his record in the market has been very poor.

14 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

What are we ever going to win with this guy in charge ? 

I'm ruling out the low hanging fruit of domestic cups on account of Potter never having beaten any PL side in either domestic cup competition before ... 

A Fair Play Award perhaps ?

If he's not challenging for the league next season he will be out. 

Feels like there's this assumption that we either sack Potter now or we live with finishing 6th and maybe having a cup run for the next 5 years. 

There are two alternatives. We sack him in the summer / December when we reach a point that he's clearly not cut out. Or we actually do improve 

38 minutes ago, Zeta said:

I'm becoming a broken record, but I'll say it yet again.

I'm fine with giving a manager time, but it has to be the right person. I would not have been fine with giving Scolari or Grant 5 years. Nor would I be fine with hiring David Moyes or Nathan Jones and giving them 5 years, because none of them are good enough.

Continuity for continuity's sake is pointless, if the person in charge doesn't know what they are doing.

Stability for the sake of stability isn't good.

If United had kept OGS for 10 years they wouldn't go anywhere, because he wasn't a good manager.

We can't keep clinging onto an Arteta situation, Arteta had absolute control from the get-go, and he was getting rid of many players who opposed him. That's just not the same with Potter, he just doesn't have it in him. 

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

If he's not challenging for the league next season he will be out. 

Feels like there's this assumption that we either sack Potter now or we live with finishing 6th and maybe having a cup run for the next 5 years. 

There are two alternatives. We sack him in the summer / December when we reach a point that he's clearly not cut out. Or we actually do improve 

This is my opinion too. It's pointless firing him now with nothing much to play for. That decision can be made in the summer or December if things get worse. I think the people that want him out now are clinging to the hope that a new manager will immediately win us the CL.

2 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

This is my opinion too. It's pointless firing him now with nothing much to play for. That decision can be made in the summer or December if things get worse. I think the people that want him out now are clinging to the hope that a new manager will immediately win us the CL.

Winning the Champions League isn't even on my radar, I just want to enjoy watching my team play football again. I knew at the start of the season top 4 would be very difficult this season, and that was when we had Tuchel, so I'm not even concerned by that. I just want to see any kind of upwards momentum, but it's not happening. If anything, I can only see our league position getting worse before the end of the season.